c1982 Posted December 24, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 24, 2016 It's all about pace now and not one of our regular centre backs has any. That's why we get turned over every week. We can't hold a high line because a simple ball over the top will see a striker running down on goal unchallenged as our defenders are all huffing and puffing behind. So we sit deep and invite more and more pressure until someone makes a mistake and loses their man or misses a header and then they score. Funes Mori isn't good enough, neither are Williams or Jagielka. For a 25 yr old who is "in his prime" he moves like a tug boat. I don't question his passion or the effort he puts in but it isn't enough. To do well in the Premier League you don't need ball playing centre backs, that's bollocks, you need 2 powerful centre backs who can stand on the half way line and play the offside trap, then when the inevitable hoofball goes over they have the pace and strength to run it down and put it back into play. It's not difficult to understand. Huth and Morgan aren't exactly speed demons. Alderwierald and Vertonghan are classy ball playing centre halves. You need a partnership/unit that works together - there's no set mold. It clearly goes beyond the CB partnership too - the keeper, organised full-backs, disciplined central midfielders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted December 24, 2016 Report Share Posted December 24, 2016 I think he means we hit the ball long so we need a target man striker like Gomez. lol thought I was going crazy reading that post. Glad someone was able to decipher it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shy_Talk Posted December 24, 2016 Report Share Posted December 24, 2016 I think he means we hit the ball long so we need a target man striker like Gomez. Mince pie for this man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted December 27, 2016 Report Share Posted December 27, 2016 I think Williams was busy carrying Jags. He's been our best defender so far, rarely had a bad game. Mori can learn a lot from Koeman, he's got the attributes to be a top player but needs the right coaching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted December 27, 2016 Report Share Posted December 27, 2016 I think Williams was busy carrying Jags. He's been our best defender so far, rarely had a bad game. Mori can learn a lot from Koeman, he's got the attributes to be a top player but needs the right coaching. agreed. also Williams can teach him things Jags couldn't which will improve his game as well. I think Jags is done. TIme to give the captain's band to someone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted December 27, 2016 Report Share Posted December 27, 2016 Jags and Williams can't play together. They are too different and both want to control how the defence sets out to play. It's a disaster to put them both on I agree, I think jags is finished. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted December 27, 2016 Report Share Posted December 27, 2016 agreed. also Williams can teach him things Jags couldn't which will improve his game as well. I think Jags is done. TIme to give the captain's band to someone else. Seamus Seamus Seamus! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted December 27, 2016 Report Share Posted December 27, 2016 Yeah I think Coleman should be the captain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted December 27, 2016 Report Share Posted December 27, 2016 I think Coleman should be captain also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted December 27, 2016 Report Share Posted December 27, 2016 I would agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted December 27, 2016 Report Share Posted December 27, 2016 This will be about the 5th times has been written off. Yep. He's getting to the end but I don't think we should get rid on an area we are short. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted January 2, 2017 Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 Another clean sheet with Williams an Mori partnership! Clearly it works best! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted January 2, 2017 Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 Mori was excellent today I thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c1982 Posted January 2, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 I think we were very lucky to get the clean sheet to be honest. Mori did well despite his poor distribution. He's not the long term answer for me but credit where it's due today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted January 2, 2017 Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 How clearances worry me. Also the amount of times he runs the ball out of defence and passes it straight to them, leaving himself out of position. A faster team would have punished him today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted January 2, 2017 Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 Looked ok, some shaky moments and some solid defending. I don't like him playing the ball out though, he gets carried away and loses the ball too often Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted January 2, 2017 Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 I think Williams was busy carrying Jags. He's been our best defender so far, rarely had a bad game. Mori can learn a lot from Koeman, he's got the attributes to be a top player but needs the right coaching. I agree with you, but I'm not sure if Koeman thinks there's a future here for Mori, I'd hope he does and is prepared to work on him he's a good prospect, it would be gutting if he left and turned out to be a good player some where else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted January 2, 2017 Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 How clearances worry me. Also the amount of times he runs the ball out of defence and passes it straight to them, leaving himself out of position. A faster team would have punished him today. I said this last season. He gives the ball away at an alarming rate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted January 2, 2017 Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 I said this last season. He gives the ball away at an alarming rate.Your right he does but he's good in the tackle good in the air reasonable pace with age on his side, he needs help with the giving away of the ball cheaply and if they can get that aspect out of his game don't you think he could be a good prospect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted January 2, 2017 Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 I thought he was excellent too and Williams was the one we should be worrying about. Caught out of position on the counter a couple of times that led to shots on goal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted January 2, 2017 Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 Your right he does but he's good in the tackle good in the air reasonable pace with age on his side, he needs help with the giving away of the ball cheaply and if they can get that aspect out of his game don't you think he could be a good prospect. I've never said we should get rid, but he does give the ball away a lot. He defends well but his distribution is very poor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted January 2, 2017 Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 I definitely want to keep Mori. I think he has to take Jags spot now. Romey 1878 and London Blue 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted January 2, 2017 Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 Williams 81% pass completion Jags 80% pass completion Mori 79% pass completion Fuck all in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted January 2, 2017 Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 Williams 81% pass completion Jags 80% pass completion Mori 79% pass completion Fuck all in it. That is surprising, think the problem is that Mori's standout more when he's hitting these long balls and sliced clearances, sharpen that side of his game up and he has massive potential. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted January 2, 2017 Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 People see is hoofing as giving the ball away! Sometimes it's best to just get the fuck rid. I do agree however that sometimes he just twats it anywhere so it makes him look shite. He's actually an extremely good player though. Look at the results with Williams and Mori as partners. Much much better than either with Jagielka. pete0 and MikeO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted January 3, 2017 Report Share Posted January 3, 2017 Thought he looked good today. Great on the ball, nice tackling and more assured every match. I feel fine knowing he will replace jags. Just need to sell jags now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shy_Talk Posted January 3, 2017 Report Share Posted January 3, 2017 Jagielka gets the chance to finish off here for me, similar to Osman and Hibbert, hes a great pro, made it back from a usually career ending injury, Captained a once notable international side, never pushed for a move or been a disruption (or even advised a youth player to move on) so for his experience and professionalism, he gets to bow out slowly and be a regular at the club should he want it, if that eventually means coach or ambassador then fine, hes been a great player, isn't finished, and is a great example that even having to move on doesn't mean moving backis impossible and can make a massive success atthe same time. Too many fans happy to catapult players that have given us everything, when theres waste and wasters galore to focus ire upon. Sibdane 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted January 3, 2017 Report Share Posted January 3, 2017 I'd love to see Jagielka finish his career, albeit from the bench at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tristagi Posted January 3, 2017 Report Share Posted January 3, 2017 William and Funes Mori have to be our choice pairing going forward. That being said, knowing a player like Jags is coming off the bench waiting for them to slip up and the his spot back should be enough to continually push Mori to get rid of those things in this game that leave our hearts in our mouths. Agree with Shy, Jags has been an absolute pro, surely when things hit the skids the last few years he could have chased money and European football but didn't. While he still has something to offer he will be great as a back up and mentor, especially if we get a Keane or Van Dijk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted January 3, 2017 Report Share Posted January 3, 2017 Van Dijk.!! £60m, don't think so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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