Peter H Posted September 2, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 2, 2015 There's posters who get a buzz out of someone losing it same ones jump all over. Sad Dont know if thats aimed at me since i lost the plot this time. Shame, thought you and I were doing ok lately haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted September 2, 2015 Report Share Posted September 2, 2015 Dont know if thats aimed at me since i lost the plot this time. Shame, thought you and I were doing ok lately haha Nope not you. Dare I mention his name... There will be pages and pages of crap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted September 2, 2015 Report Share Posted September 2, 2015 It is what it is. Different views, different expectations, different ways of expressing frustration. And there's no problem with people venting anger, frustration, dissapointment etc. Just don't expect your view to be accepted while dismissing others who view it differently. It's a 2 way street. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted September 2, 2015 Report Share Posted September 2, 2015 You were doing so well Newts.. Leopards and spots Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted September 2, 2015 Report Share Posted September 2, 2015 Haha!!! You'll have to try a bit harder than that mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RampageJohnson Posted September 3, 2015 Report Share Posted September 3, 2015 Looks like a few people have itchy sanitary towels on in this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makis Posted September 3, 2015 Report Share Posted September 3, 2015 That central midfield does not trump McCarthy, Cleverley, Barry, Besic, Barkley, Osman. Really? We had Arteta, Cahill, Fellaini, Rodwell, Osman and Castillo. Arteta scored 7, Fellaini 9, Cahill 9, Osman 7 and Rodwell and Castillo 1 goal each. That's 34 goals. Never mind the fact we don't have as good a passer in the team now as Arteta was, or no-one with the same attitude as Cahill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted September 3, 2015 Report Share Posted September 3, 2015 Really? We had Arteta, Cahill, Fellaini, Rodwell, Osman and Castillo. Arteta scored 7, Fellaini 9, Cahill 9, Osman 7 and Rodwell and Castillo 1 goal each. That's 34 goals. Never mind the fact we don't have as good a passer in the team now as Arteta was, or no-one with the same attitude as Cahill. I'd cast Naismith as a similar player attitude wise, just not ability. We really are missing an Arteta though. Other than that I think we're better than the line up than you mentioned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makis Posted September 3, 2015 Report Share Posted September 3, 2015 Naismith is nowhere near as good as Cahill, not even attitude wise. But the biggest difference was that that midfield scored loads of goals. How many will McCarthy and Barry get? Or Besic? Osman won't score the same number he did that season. The current crop won't probably score half the goals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted September 3, 2015 Report Share Posted September 3, 2015 Naismith is nowhere near as good as Cahill, not even attitude wise. But the biggest difference was that that midfield scored loads of goals. How many will McCarthy and Barry get? Or Besic? Osman won't score the same number he did that season. The current crop won't probably score half the goals. Personally think they're very similar but there is a massive difference talent wise. Can't argue with the rest really, but I would say that I expect McCarthy and Barry to prevent more goals rather than score compared to Felli, Rodwell, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makis Posted September 3, 2015 Report Share Posted September 3, 2015 Well, the team conceded 37 goals in 2008-09. Last year it conceded 50 and the season before 39. And I have to say that personally I'm not very convinced about their abilities. Way too often opponents are allowed to run through our midfield. Barry is just too slow and has the turning circle of an oil rig. Opponents also get quite easily into shooting positions near the edge of the penalty area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted September 3, 2015 Report Share Posted September 3, 2015 Well, the team conceded 37 goals in 2008-09. Last year it conceded 50 and the season before 39. And I have to say that personally I'm not very convinced about their abilities. Way too often opponents are allowed to run through our midfield. Barry is just too slow and has the turning circle of an oil rig. Opponents also get quite easily into shooting positions near the edge of the penalty area. Last season was a serious cockup, mostly from the manager in my eyes. The season before was a "gel season" and they did exceptionally well, only 2 goal difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted September 3, 2015 Report Share Posted September 3, 2015 Naismith is nowhere near as good as Cahill, not even attitude wise. But the biggest difference was that that midfield scored loads of goals. How many will McCarthy and Barry get? Or Besic? Osman won't score the same number he did that season. The current crop won't probably score half the goals. Naismith is cut from the same cloth as Cahill in terms pod desire. Both brave, both fight for the team. Unfair on naismith there, if Rom had naismiths attitude I think we would have a real player on our hands. Naismith cajoles his team mates more than TC IMO. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted September 3, 2015 Report Share Posted September 3, 2015 Naismith cajoles his team mates more than TC IMO. Cajoles Are they spanish slippers. ? But I agree, Cahill was way above everybody else but I never saw him voice his team mates, did it more by the way he played. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted September 3, 2015 Report Share Posted September 3, 2015 Very similar to Cahill just not as good Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trigger Posted September 3, 2015 Report Share Posted September 3, 2015 Unbelievable if we've turned that much down. I would driven Naismith down to Norwich myself for that fee. I cant believe he's rated that highly. I just don't see it. Matt and markjazzbassist 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted September 3, 2015 Report Share Posted September 3, 2015 I would driven Naismith down to Norwich myself for that fee. I cant believe he's rated that highly. I just don't see it. Agreed. I was surprised 8m didn't land him for Norwich. markjazzbassist and Matt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted September 3, 2015 Report Share Posted September 3, 2015 Agreed. I was surprised 8m didn't land him for Norwich. I can only assume it was because it was so late and we wouldn't have been able to replace him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted September 3, 2015 Report Share Posted September 3, 2015 I can only assume it was because it was so late and we wouldn't have been able to replace him. I assume this is the case too, but I don't think his presence in the dressing room is easily replaced either. The way he looked after Stones for example, if John needs some support after the whole ideal, how invaluable is that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted September 3, 2015 Report Share Posted September 3, 2015 £8m is penny's probably his true value but he's worth a lot more to us. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted September 3, 2015 Report Share Posted September 3, 2015 I assume this is the case too, but I don't think his presence in the dressing room is easily replaced either. The way he looked after Stones for example, if John needs some support after the whole ideal, how invaluable is that? No doubt he's good to have in the dressing room and I'm a big fan of him (when used right) but £8m for him? You take that all day long if you can get someone mad enough to bid it. markjazzbassist and Matt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted September 3, 2015 Report Share Posted September 3, 2015 No doubt he's good to have in the dressing room and I'm a big fan of him (when used right) but £8m for him? You take that all day long if you can get someone mad enough to bid it. Again, that was my initial reaction, but if it helps get the best out of players like Stones, then for me it was the right decision. All just speculation mind! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted September 3, 2015 Report Share Posted September 3, 2015 No doubt he's good to have in the dressing room and I'm a big fan of him (when used right) but £8m for him? You take that all day long if you can get someone mad enough to bid it. exactly and as far as replacing him we got leandro for striker and for a central player being played out of position on the wing we can throw ossie on the bench or connor mac. we have a big enough squad now where we have decent players who don't even make the bench (osman). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted September 3, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 3, 2015 McCarthy has not started well this season but has the potential to be the best midfielder that we have had in PL history. I love Cahill and what he ment to the team but comparing him to todays midfield is unfair. Different setup. Arteta was great. Neither Osman or Fellaini had reached their potential that season. They both peaked later Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted September 3, 2015 Report Share Posted September 3, 2015 McCarthy has not started well this season but has the potential to be the best midfielder that we have had in PL history. I love Cahill and what he ment to the team but comparing him to todays midfield is unfair. Different setup. Arteta was great. Neither Osman or Fellaini had reached their potential that season. They both peaked later ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted September 3, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 3, 2015 Not that chocking. I didnt say he was, i didnt say he will be. I said that he has the potential to be the best midfielder that Everton has had since 1992. And why shouldnt he be? He is one of our most expensive signings ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted September 3, 2015 Report Share Posted September 3, 2015 Not that chocking. I didnt say he was, i didnt say he will be. I said that he has the potential to be the best midfielder that Everton has had since 1992. And why shouldnt he be? He is one of our most expensive signings ever. I'm guessing that's a candidate for the sarcasm font? markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted September 3, 2015 Report Share Posted September 3, 2015 The 2007/2008 squad was the best we've had in the last 20 year IMO. Finished fifth and had a real go in Europe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted September 3, 2015 Report Share Posted September 3, 2015 I think our current squad is the best we've had in the premier league years, but they need to win something this season for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted September 3, 2015 Report Share Posted September 3, 2015 Best squad potentially! But they need to show it now. We can no longer let these players have free run, they need to start fulfilling that potential now. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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