markjazzbassist Posted January 3, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2021 We had no fullbacks. Put in a wide threat and some crosses and that game becomes a win for us. Had nothing to do with Davies. We miss digne and need a RB very badly Matt and London Blue 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted January 3, 2021 Report Share Posted January 3, 2021 I thought the midfields job was hard because there was so little movement by the attacking players. Davies shielded the back well and his passing was ok, but he was trying to force things which is not in his skill set. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted January 3, 2021 Report Share Posted January 3, 2021 Small margins, when you have a 10% reduction in off the ball running, you have less options for the man on the ball and it compounds with frustration. Team needs someone to kick arses like a Roy Keane. Palfy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted January 3, 2021 Report Share Posted January 3, 2021 2 hours ago, StevO said: Play a team in the cup that should do the job and then get back to it against Wolves and Villa. Those two games will have a huge impact on our position in the league. We’ve had some good results against the more bigger teams if you like, but they start becoming some what insignificant when you throw away points against Newcastle Burnley and West Ham, for me they had a huge impact on our league position now. But what it is you expect us to do against Wolves and Villa that we couldn’t do to the above, and why? StevO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted January 3, 2021 Report Share Posted January 3, 2021 Turn up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted January 3, 2021 Report Share Posted January 3, 2021 I honestly don't think well play that bad again. You can always tell when we’ve been dire as fans do the old.... but everyone else was bad as well.... But that doesn’t mean anything for me. Doucoure wasn’t anywhere near as bad, neither was Gomes. Were a premier league team, not a school boy team. We shouldn’t be able to get away with “but Siggy wasn’t working hard either” being an excuse or a reason. Each player should be responsible for his own performance, and helping his teammates. Others were shit, is not a valid excuse. Romey 1878 and Bailey 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted January 3, 2021 Report Share Posted January 3, 2021 14 minutes ago, Shukes said: Turn up! Exactly you just can’t keep trying against the better team’s yet don’t put the same effort and desire in against the lesser team’s, because you will achieve fuck all when it comes to the end of the season. Shukes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted January 3, 2021 Report Share Posted January 3, 2021 Davies was absolutely shite, he wasn’t the only one by a long shot but the fact remains he was woeful. Him and Holgate continuously gave the ball away with sloppy or misdirected passes The defeat wasn’t because of him, I don’t think anybody bar Gomes and maybe Mina comes out of that game with any credit, but the lad has put in that kind of performance time and time again and it’s simply not good enough Dont know whether his confidence is low or he just needs a run of games but we need better than he is giving us at the moment Its ok saying there was a lack of movement ahead of him or that he had no attacking full backs to give him more options, but if he can’t pass to a player standing 5 yards away from him it makes no difference Bailey and Romey 1878 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted January 3, 2021 Report Share Posted January 3, 2021 2 hours ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said: As true as that is he just simply had a shocker, it doesn’t matter who the opposition is if you can’t manage to find a man who is in acres of space 5 yards away from you He did have a shocker, and so did the other lads in a blue shirt. He doesn’t need to be singled out like he lost us the game all on his own. Reminder, Doucoure, as good as he’s been, gives away five yard passes every game, the most basic passes and he gets them wrong on a regular basis. It can happen to good players. Bailey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted January 3, 2021 Report Share Posted January 3, 2021 57 minutes ago, Palfy said: We’ve had some good results against the more bigger teams if you like, but they start becoming some what insignificant when you throw away points against Newcastle Burnley and West Ham, for me they had a huge impact on our league position now. But what it is you expect us to do against Wolves and Villa that we couldn’t do to the above, and why? I’ve no idea Palfy. I’m just hoping that between now and the Wolves game we can get our better players fit and firing, because we need them. A fit James from the right with runners like Richarlison and Digne on the left causes chaos. We need that again! It’s not a new thing that an Everton team struggles to breakdown teams who don’t want to attack us. It’s happened for years and for me it’s the big difference between the top teams and everyone else. At the start of the season we were breaking these teams down time and time again, but we were poor at the back. Just got to trust the man in charge can fix it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted January 3, 2021 Report Share Posted January 3, 2021 1 hour ago, StevO said: He did have a shocker, and so did the other lads in a blue shirt. He doesn’t need to be singled out like he lost us the game all on his own. Reminder, Doucoure, as good as he’s been, gives away five yard passes every game, the most basic passes and he gets them wrong on a regular basis. It can happen to good players. Not a single person has said he lost us the game on his own, in fact pretty much everyone has said we were shit all over the park, but this type of performance is becoming the norm for him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted January 3, 2021 Report Share Posted January 3, 2021 Just now, duncanmckenzieismagic said: Not a single person has said he lost us the game on his own, in fact pretty much everyone has said we were shit all over the park, but this type of performance is becoming the norm for him It just feels like he’s getting more of the grief for playing bad in this game than anyone. I think there were others around him who did worse. London Blue and Hafnia 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted January 3, 2021 Report Share Posted January 3, 2021 20 minutes ago, StevO said: It just feels like he’s getting more of the grief for playing bad in this game than anyone. I think there were others around him who did worse. I think that’s more due to others replying to back him up mate. One person in particular has used stats to show how he was one of the better players This just triggers responses from people who watched the game. For me, he was one of the worst. Not due to effort, but ability and execution. But even one of my fa pyrite players, DCL needs to look at himself after that match. Yes there was no supply line, but he was pretty anonymous other than winning headers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted January 3, 2021 Report Share Posted January 3, 2021 8 hours ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said: Just about sums it up for me, can’t knock his effort but if Gana Gueye had put in a performance like that Pete would have wanted him hung drawn and quartered After putting in such a great performance against Sheffield Utd the shit show against West Ham really was two steps backwards for him If we could get Khedira in January I’d like to see Davies go out on loan somewhere like West Brom where he could play week in week out because it must be difficult to show what he’s capable of when he isn’t getting a decent run of games Davies was man of the match for me. I'd have loved Gana to show for the ball and moved it forward. Don't know why you're comparing Davies to him though. Doucoure is the one playing Gana's position and we're massively better for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted January 3, 2021 Report Share Posted January 3, 2021 9 minutes ago, pete0 said: Davies was man of the match for me. I'd have loved Gana to show for the ball and moved it forward. Don't know why you're comparing Davies to him though. Doucoure is the one playing Gana's position and we're massively better for it. Which just shows how bad he was Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted January 3, 2021 Report Share Posted January 3, 2021 1 hour ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said: Which just shows how bad he was You watch the match or just listening to your chums again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted February 6, 2021 Report Share Posted February 6, 2021 I thought he was really impressive tonight. Not just good. I'd give him MOTM for us. Btay and London Blue 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted February 7, 2021 Report Share Posted February 7, 2021 55 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said: I thought he was really impressive tonight. Not just good. I'd give him MOTM for us. There is a really good player in there, and I think / believe Carlo is getting it out of him. Long may it continue!! Matt and markjazzbassist 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted February 7, 2021 Report Share Posted February 7, 2021 Solid tonight. You can tell he works hard at his game. He deserves to do well. He may not be blessed as an athlete but he makes the most of what he has. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted February 7, 2021 Report Share Posted February 7, 2021 MC11, London Blue and markjazzbassist 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted February 7, 2021 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2021 He is improving under Carlo, which is a good thing. He will continue to be a useful player for us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted February 7, 2021 Report Share Posted February 7, 2021 6 hours ago, Romey 1878 said: He was quite simply brilliant from the first whistle to his substitution. Palfy and Wiggytop 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted February 8, 2021 Report Share Posted February 8, 2021 Forgotten Tom Davies showing his potential under Carlo Ancelotti’s watch at Everton The midfielder, still only 22, is finding he has a role to play Davies put in a superb showing in the 3-3 draw with United on Saturday PETER POWELL/GETTY IMAGES Paul Joyce, Northern Football Correspondent Monday February 08 2021, 5.00pm, The Times There were still a couple of weeks left in the summer transfer window when Carlo Ancelotti gave it to Tom Davies straight. Ralph Hasenhüttl’s Southampton were keen to take the Everton midfielder on loan, or indeed permanently, and there was interest from Sheffield United, Newcastle United and Bournemouth. During a chat in Ancelotti’s office at Finch Farm, the Italian made it clear to Davies that he would not be leaving and outlined a plan to kick-start the development of the 22-year-old. It would require patience on the part of Davies but there would be regular input from the manager and the chance to learn from the likes of James Rodríguez, Allan and others in training. Fast-forward to the present and the rewards of that approach are starting to become evident. ADVERTISEMENT The green shoots of Davies’s revival were clear during Everton’s 3-3 draw against Manchester United on Saturday, when he was deployed as the deepest-lying of three midfielders. There was a pass completion rate of 90.3 per cent, a 57.1 per cent success rate in duels, a 100 per cent success rate in his tackles. If he lost the ball (three times) he worked to recover it every time. Davies also had a forward pass completion rate of 81.8 per cent, best showcased when he was involved in the move that helped Everton to launch their initial fightback from 2-0 down at Old Trafford. It had been similar in the recent 1-1 draw with Leicester City, when the England Under-21 international had last started. Then his duel success was slightly higher, at 62.5 per cent, and his pass completion 88.5 per cent. SPONSORED Crucially, it was Davies’s pass that played through the press of Leicester’s Wilfred Ndidi and released André Gomes, who set up a spectacular goal by Rodríguez. That Davies did well against two sides above Everton in the Premier League vindicated Ancelotti’s willingness to trust him. Hopefully, it will bolster his confidence given the testing times that he has endured since he announced himself to a wider audience with that wonderful goal in a 4-0 rout of Pep Guardiola’s Manchester City in January 2017. A solo effort in which he bamboozle Gaël Clichy and Yaya Touré, before a dinked finish beyond Claudio Bravo, set the bar incredibly high — too high — for the teenager. The comedown has, on occasions, been harsh, with the instability that followed at Everton exacerbating matters. Davies has already had seven managers in his 138-game career, having impressed Roberto Martínez sufficiently to make his debut in April 2016 before Ronald Koeman came in, followed by David Unsworth (caretaker), Sam Allardyce, Marco Silva, Duncan Ferguson (caretaker) and now Ancelotti. There will have been times over the past four years where he could perhaps have done more but equally, for some players, that backdrop of constant change would not be conducive to learning. Davies has been used in different midfield positions and even as a right-wing back by Ancelotti this term in ever-changing teams and that is another factor that has to be considered when scrutinising his fortunes. He will not have been oblivious to how he is perceived by some, but he has shown resilience to persevere. Rather than his interests outside of football — fashion, photography, art, skateboarding — somehow getting in the way of his career, they have likely served as a release during those difficult periods. There is still plenty for him to do and his recent performances must become a launchpad. In any case, though, Ancelotti’s willingness to invest time in the player highlights an aspect of his work that is often overlooked. We see the signings he has been able to attract and he will doubtless have more in mind in the future, but he has eked more from Dominic Calvert-Lewin and the signs are that Davies can also lend his weight to the cause. The financial situation at Everton — losses of £139.9 million were outlined in the recent general meeting — means that it is imperative that the club’s academy produces talents that can push for first-team football or be sold for decent fees. The reliance on the deep pockets of the owner, Farhad Moshiri, is not healthy. There will still be bumps in the road ahead for Davies. The impending return of Allan after a hamstring injury represents another challenge, but where many thought Davies should be consigned to the past he is indicating that he has a place in the present. London Blue, StevO, markjazzbassist and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted February 8, 2021 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2021 glad to see him getting the plaudits, i've always kept the faith with tom and hope he continues to blossom under carlo Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted February 8, 2021 Report Share Posted February 8, 2021 Great article, I have always been a Tom Davies fan and its very good to see him progressing under Carlo. I believe he can be an important player for us, if he maintains this level and continues to develop. Matt and markjazzbassist 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted February 9, 2021 Report Share Posted February 9, 2021 Time to act on the potential. There’s been a few false dawns but he needs to get the consistency. Will never be a spectacular player but doesn’t need to be. If he can continue doing the basics well he will be a great asset for us. Defensively very under rated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted February 9, 2021 Report Share Posted February 9, 2021 12 hours ago, markjazzbassist said: glad to see him getting the plaudits, i've always kept the faith with tom and hope he continues to blossom under carlo Same here. I think people expect more of him because they want more from him as an Everton graduate. But if you take him as he is, he’s a good player to have around who does his job very well for a young lad. He’s never going to rock the boat, he’ll always put in the effort... he’s just dependable and having someone like that in the squad should not be underestimated London Blue, markjazzbassist and StevO 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted February 9, 2021 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2021 also remember he's still only 22, i honestly thought he was 25-26 now, but he still has room to grow. not saying he turns into Xabi but i think he could be leon osman-esque in his ability to contribute and help our team. London Blue, Sibdane and Matt 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted February 9, 2021 Report Share Posted February 9, 2021 1 hour ago, markjazzbassist said: also remember he's still only 22, i honestly thought he was 25-26 now, but he still has room to grow. not saying he turns into Xabi but i think he could be leon osman-esque in his ability to contribute and help our team. Pretty sure I’ve compared him to Ossie in the past, but instead of the creativity side he has the defensive side. Similar balance, size and tenacity. and yeah, 22 and 118 apps but feels like he’s been around for an age. That goal against City probably did more harm for his image than good in the eyes of some fans. markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted February 9, 2021 Report Share Posted February 9, 2021 He's playing his game. Difference now is he he has players making runs and not shying away from the ball. James, Doucoure, and a confident Gomes, compared to the mercenaries and Silva's shit football tactics. markjazzbassist and Matt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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