chalkpie Posted January 24, 2016 Report Share Posted January 24, 2016 IF (and that is a big IF) Kenwright had the balls to pull the plug on RM: 1) When would he do it in all seriousness? 2) What would it take for him to do it? How many seasons of this midtable garbage can he stomach? 3) Do you think he has somebody in mind lined-up at this point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted January 24, 2016 Report Share Posted January 24, 2016 IF (and that is a big IF) Kenwright had the balls to pull the plug on RM: Luckily (imo) he has the balls to stick with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chalkpie Posted January 24, 2016 Report Share Posted January 24, 2016 Luckily (imo) he has the balls to stick with him. I don't agree with you per se, but I commend you for having the patience to stick with him for this long. I just can't do it. I love the guy (bullshit and all) - lovely person - probably the nicest manager in the prem - but my gut tells me he just isn't the right bloke for this club. Maybe another set of players would work better with his vision, but as of now I'm not feeling it. Who knows - maybe you're right - and he will come good after all of this. I would love to eat crow on this RM scenario Matt and MikeO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sideliner Posted January 24, 2016 Report Share Posted January 24, 2016 i hope i am wrong but it looks as if Martinez is obsessed with silverware - which affects his focus on the league The FA Cup gave him relegation - The European Cup made us a bottom half team - The Capital One Cup keeps us hovering above the relegation zone - in his first season we had no cup distractions - and then we did the best in the league Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted January 24, 2016 Report Share Posted January 24, 2016 (edited) The man that refuses to ever criticise his players has no problem criticising our fans... Oh dear, Roberto, that's really not the way to go. Edited January 24, 2016 by Romey 1878 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted January 24, 2016 Report Share Posted January 24, 2016 (edited) Its not the fans that are conceding goals. Its not the fans that fail to convert chances. Its not the fans who misplace a pass. Its not the fans who make mistakes that lead to dropped points. It IS the fans that pay yours and your teams wages, for little in return. They're doing their job, you and your team are not doing theirs and keeping up your side of the bargain. Edited January 24, 2016 by Lowensda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted January 24, 2016 Report Share Posted January 24, 2016 The man that refuses to ever criticise his players has no problem criticising our fans... Oh dear, Roberto, that's really not the way to go. What has he said? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted January 24, 2016 Report Share Posted January 24, 2016 What has he said? It's the fans fault that we have such a bad record at home according to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted January 24, 2016 Report Share Posted January 24, 2016 It's the fans fault that we have such a bad record at home according to him. Wow. Sad. He better win one of these cups or those said fans will have banners flying and chants galore for him to be canned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted January 24, 2016 Report Share Posted January 24, 2016 https://twitter.com/philmcnulty/status/691280755587182594 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted January 24, 2016 Report Share Posted January 24, 2016 Let's be honest. He's never going to change the way we play. Reminds me of the scene in Wolf of Wall Street, where Jordan drives home after taking the 14 year old drugs, post Cerebral Palsy stage and believes he's driven home (to his amazement) without a scratch. In reality, he wakes up and find the police in his house because they believe he was DUI, which he denies. On walking outside he realises he didn't get home without a scratch, he actually totaled his car. Martinez must believe everything is fine and tells us all that is so, when in reality, we see it for the car crash, shit heap that we have to witness week in, week out. He won't change the direction. He's made that clear with his blindness/persistence of Howard as custodian. Romey 1878 and Matt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted January 24, 2016 Report Share Posted January 24, 2016 It's the fans fault that we have such a bad record at home according to him. I've watched his post match interviews. Link to the source please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted January 24, 2016 Report Share Posted January 24, 2016 https://twitter.com/philmcnulty/status/691280755587182594 And he's absolutely right. With our squad of players, we SHOULD be competing with Spurs. No question. But we're not. On paper, most of our players could walk into the big club's first team and perform. We just aren't doing it. There has to be a reason and for me, its the way we play, not the players. Whereas Moyes was the other way around. He DIDNT have the players to really kick on but he knew how to use his teams to get the results (albeit in a frustrating and bland manner). We need a proper footballing coach, who can teach the basics and gee the troops. They're young and need the praises, buy they also need to be screamed and dropped, should they not perform the way the should. dlblue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted January 24, 2016 Report Share Posted January 24, 2016 I've watched his post match interviews. Link to the source please? He says it without actually saying it kind of thing? When he says the players are nervous playing at home. Obviously that's right though because we've won a shit load of games away from home... Oh, wait. I'm probably reading too much into it because of how down today has got me tbh. rubecula 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted January 24, 2016 Report Share Posted January 24, 2016 It's the fans fault that we have such a bad record at home according to him. And if this was true, surely the outright incredible support the away fans give the team, should constitute as wins away from home. Because when I've seen the fans, they've been fantastic away from home, surely we've won all our away games...right....have we not...? They were awesome at Chelsea, is it their awesome fault for the ineptitude of our defenders? I'm confused. Romey 1878 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted January 24, 2016 Report Share Posted January 24, 2016 He says it without actually saying it kind of thing? When he says the players are nervous playing at home. Obviously that's right though because we've won a shit load of games away from home... Oh, wait. I'm probably reading too much into it because of how down today has got me tbh. Got there just before me Romey 1878 and rubecula 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubecula Posted January 24, 2016 Report Share Posted January 24, 2016 Said previously I am not convinced by RM. I am now convinced, he IS NOT the man for the job. Oh for DM to be here to use the hairdryer/ Oh for us to have got hold of Ranieri. Oh FFS someone do SOMETHING. (I will feel so sick if we do a Wigan, - ie win a cup on the way to relegation) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chach Posted January 25, 2016 Report Share Posted January 25, 2016 (edited) character ˈkarəktə/ noun 1. the mental and moral qualities distinctive to an individual. Considering how much he cacks on about it, we are sadly lacking in this department. Edited January 25, 2016 by Chach Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nogs Posted January 25, 2016 Report Share Posted January 25, 2016 character ˈkarəktə/ noun 1. the mental and moral qualities distinctive to an individual. Considering how much he cacks on about it, we are sadly lacking in this department. Sadly ironic. It is what he lacks above all else, that burning hunger for victory that he can instill in his players. In fact I'd go as far as say his lackadaisacal attitude to defending and making individual errors is deeply unprofessional. He and his players are paid huge amounts of money to win football matches, they are failing miserably. Here's a good one - in the form table, we're 16th, level with Villa. On home form, we're bottom, 5 points from six matches, a point behind Villa. http://m.premierleague.com/en-gb/form-guide.html And he wonders why the fans are on the team's back?? He needs to go, end of argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted January 25, 2016 Report Share Posted January 25, 2016 Sadly ironic. It is what he lacks above all else, that burning hunger for victory that he can instill in his players. In fact I'd go as far as say his lackadaisacal attitude to defending and making individual errors is deeply unprofessional. He and his players are paid huge amounts of money to win football matches, they are failing miserably. Here's a good one - in the form table, we're 16th, level with Villa. On home form, we're bottom, 5 points from six matches, a point behind Villa. http://m.premierleague.com/en-gb/form-guide.html And he wonders why the fans are on the team's back?? He needs to go, end of argument. I'm still blown away by how many times he's stated it's not points that matter but performances. markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chalkpie Posted January 25, 2016 Report Share Posted January 25, 2016 http://metro.co.uk/2016/01/25/everton-boss-roberto-martinez-faces-seven-days-to-save-his-job-5642289/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted January 25, 2016 Report Share Posted January 25, 2016 He won't get sacked. Just can't see it. Too much of a "nice guy". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogsy Posted January 25, 2016 Report Share Posted January 25, 2016 Only 3 league wins since September!!! Really not good enough, if we weren't in the semi's of a cup with an advantage, would he have been kept in charge? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted January 25, 2016 Report Share Posted January 25, 2016 A team is supposed to be greater than the sum of its parts, and yet we are somehow less. We are missing that ingredient that will bind us into a team. I want to believe Martinez will lead us to success in the future. I still trust him to get it right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted January 25, 2016 Report Share Posted January 25, 2016 (edited) I'm still blown away by how many times he's stated it's not points that matter but performances. would make sense if this was MLS where there is no relegation and you're building for the future, but clearly points do matter as we are not yet to 40 this year. though i do wonder if it will be 40 this year, could see it being 32-35 with the likes of sunderland newcastle villa. but we're not to that many either yet! Edited January 25, 2016 by markjazzbassist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted January 25, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2016 (edited) I think moyes is waiting for the nod to come back. And I'm not sure how I would feel about that. I bet he's sitting there thinking what he could do with this side. However I'm not sure he'd be the right person. I wouldn't want to go back to being overly defensive. He's 5/1 on to be the next manager. I just can't see Martinez getting sacked though. Edited January 25, 2016 by MC11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlblue Posted January 25, 2016 Report Share Posted January 25, 2016 I think moyes is waiting for the nod to come back. And I'm not sure how I would feel about that. I agree, i think it would be the perfect move for him right now. Not sure how id feel about it either tbh. he never had this kind of squad with Everton but i dont think he could attract these players or keep them either. I think it would take the whole summer pre season to get us back to defending like we should if im honest, no quick fixes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted January 25, 2016 Report Share Posted January 25, 2016 I think moyes is waiting for the nod to come back. And I'm not sure how I would feel about that. Would be a step backwards. He'd be one of my first choices of we were in danger of relegation though. Can imagine lukaku working the flanks winning us corners that we never score from, and a midfield of Besic Barry Mccarthy Cleverley with Mori infront of them to win a few knock ons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted January 25, 2016 Report Share Posted January 25, 2016 (edited) I think moyes is waiting for the nod to come back. And I'm not sure how I would feel about that. i think so too, he's waiting in the wings, already had a word with SAF about it i'm sure. i don't know how to feel either. on one hand steady the ship and bring about some consistency at home. Plus our speed players Lennon Mirallas Lukaku Ross Gerry would be perfect in a defensive first counter attacking style. But on the other hand it's almost like admitting we'll never be a big club again, just accept mediocrity an don't try and exceed expectations. Edited January 25, 2016 by markjazzbassist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted January 25, 2016 Report Share Posted January 25, 2016 I really want to know what gets said during the week when analysing the last game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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