Bailey Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 I watched the game the other day and to be honest he was pretty poor. The one thing he gets against the lesser teams is space - for his 3 goals he has been unmarked, yes some may say due to movement or whatever but not for me.... they have been gifts but to be fair he has put them away without flinching which is a gift of his. I remain of the opinion that against better sides he will find things a lot tougher. BTW.... I still cant believe Chelsea sold Matic. He has single handedly changed their side - Pogba has all the support he needs now (get on him for POTY - should get good odds) Surely you would expect a striker to find it tougher against better sides? Against Swansea he did exactly what he was bought for. He was tightly marked for 70 mins, didn't necessarily do much but also didn't do much wrong either. When Swansea tried to open up and get a goal bacame he gets himself in space and kills the game and then plays a nice layoff for the 4th goal as well. Last year, even with Ibra, they couldn't kill games off and they bought Lukaku for that reason. In contrast at Chelsea, Morata has missed 2 big chances in important games, real sitters. I think he looks more of a handful generally but you need someone to put the ball in the back of the net. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 Surely you would expect a striker to find it tougher against better sides? Against Swansea he did exactly what he was bought for. He was tightly marked for 70 mins, didn't necessarily do much but also didn't do much wrong either. When Swansea tried to open up and get a goal bacame he gets himself in space and kills the game and then plays a nice layoff for the 4th goal as well. Last year, even with Ibra, they couldn't kill games off and they bought Lukaku for that reason. In contrast at Chelsea, Morata has missed 2 big chances in important games, real sitters. I think he looks more of a handful generally but you need someone to put the ball in the back of the net. this isn't a point that has been lost on a fair few.... we know he finishes if you get the ball to him in space - that's what he does. In the past 2 matches Thierry Henry has been pretty direct in stating that the lad has to do more if he is gonna be the player he thinks. His movement had been widely canned as has his ball retention. You don't spend £95m on a striker to stand in space against a lapse defence.... you spend that on a player who bullies better defenders also. I think Morata will be a quality signing for Chelsea - different to Lukaku. His all round game is on a different level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 this isn't a point that has been lost on a fair few.... we know he finishes if you get the ball to him in space - that's what he does. In the past 2 matches Thierry Henry has been pretty direct in stating that the lad has to do more if he is gonna be the player he thinks. His movement had been widely canned as has his ball retention. You don't spend £95m on a striker to stand in space against a lapse defence.... you spend that on a player who bullies better defenders also. I think Morata will be a quality signing for Chelsea - different to Lukaku. His all round game is on a different level. I don't think it's lost on anyone. I think people accept that and work towards creating that space for him. I thought his movement was fine, seen some chirp up about it in the Swansea game, but there was plenty of times he was offering himself either back to goal, or a round the corner ball for him to roll the defender. He isn't Suarez and some people need to accept that he is extremely good at what he does and not necessarily what people want him to be. I'm sure Morata will be a good signing for Chelsea but he has missed 2 chances from 6 yards out. If that was Lukaku you would have slaughtered him. We all know Lukaku will go through a quiet spell and people will jump on him again but he will come out the other side scoring for fun afterwards. Thats just him. Romey 1878, MikeO and holystove 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chicagoblue Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 That Gueye is some player too though, eh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 That Gueye is some player too though, eh Don't be fucking going off topic. chicagoblue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavisJD Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 Bit like us selling Lukaku to Man utd. Not personally happy with that transfer either, glad to have Rooney, would have preferred to keep Rom for 1 more season. Anyway, Gueye, mint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcopaulo Posted August 22, 2017 Report Share Posted August 22, 2017 Jonny Evans to man city though..mental Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted August 22, 2017 Report Share Posted August 22, 2017 Gueye was brilliant again last night. marcopaulo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcopaulo Posted August 22, 2017 Report Share Posted August 22, 2017 We conceded and he didn't score 10 Shithouse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted August 22, 2017 Report Share Posted August 22, 2017 Gueye was brilliant again last night. You must have watched a different game than me. I watched our midfield get dominated by 10 men, and some of our fans even said it was that bad City could have easily put 5 past us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted August 22, 2017 Report Share Posted August 22, 2017 You must have watched a different game than me. I watched our midfield get dominated by 10 men, and some of our fans even said it was that bad City could have easily put 5 past us. For once I agree haha. Our midfield were overrun and Gana seemed to be the wrong side and chasing too much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted August 22, 2017 Report Share Posted August 22, 2017 For once I agree haha. Our midfield were overrun and Gana seemed to be the wrong side and chasing too much. It's all down hill for yer now ☺️. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted August 22, 2017 Report Share Posted August 22, 2017 Feel like I've let in.... the dark side....! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted August 22, 2017 Report Share Posted August 22, 2017 Feel like I've let in.... the dark side....! https://pics.me.me/if-you-join-the-darkside-you-get-star-wars-gal-5216090.png Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted August 22, 2017 Report Share Posted August 22, 2017 Lost count of the number of times he stole the ball off their players.... that's his job. Unfortunately we can't clone him so he has to suffer the consequences of team mates not being as good. MikeO and markjazzbassist 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted August 22, 2017 Report Share Posted August 22, 2017 Lost count of the number of times he stole the ball off their players.... that's his job. Unfortunately we can't clone him so he has to suffer the consequences of team mates not being as good. Stats say he made 2 interceptions, 2 successful takles, 1 clearance, zero blocks, and lost 2 takles. Schneiderlin made 1 takle, 1 block, and zero for the rest. I agree with what you said in the match that, we were lucky they never scored more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted August 22, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2017 Gueye was brilliant again last night. I agree, he was excellent last night . Although Morgan Schneiderlin was far superior to him. He didn't just get the one yellow he managed 2 in the same game! MikeO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted August 22, 2017 Report Share Posted August 22, 2017 https://pics.me.me/if-you-join-the-darkside-you-get-star-wars-gal-5216090.png Hahaha I get a cape! I'm in! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted August 22, 2017 Report Share Posted August 22, 2017 I think our midfield held off Silva and De Bruyne, I'll take that. Two of the worlds best. Could have scored five. Could have! Could! Didn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Aidan Posted August 22, 2017 Report Share Posted August 22, 2017 (edited) https://twitter.com/nbsulymanfc/status/900089951399882757 Kante and Gueye on the same field would either be the best thing I've ever seen or the worst. Edited August 22, 2017 by AidanLewis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted August 22, 2017 Report Share Posted August 22, 2017 Good luck with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted August 22, 2017 Report Share Posted August 22, 2017 Kante and Gueye on the same field would either be the best thing I've ever seen or the worst. Ultimate dogs of war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted August 22, 2017 Report Share Posted August 22, 2017 He conceded three free kicks just outside the area from missed timed tackles, imo that is poor, I don't remember him making loads of tackles and winning the ball and playing the ball out to set us off going forward, I thought he was less than average and would have given him no more than a 4/10 5 at best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted August 22, 2017 Report Share Posted August 22, 2017 He wasn't his best last night. I thought him, Morgan and Davies really struggled. So, basically, our midfield was totally outclassed. Fortunately for them, our 3 CB's were bang on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted August 23, 2017 Report Share Posted August 23, 2017 He conceded three free kicks just outside the area from missed timed tackles, imo that is poor, I don't remember him making loads of tackles and winning the ball and playing the ball out to set us off going forward, I thought he was less than average and would have given him no more than a 4/10 5 at best. I can only remember two (not saying there werent 3) but they were stupid fouls. I thought he wasnt really in the game until the second half because he was man marking Silva/De Bruyne but then we saw him do much more in that second half, stopping them having too much time and space in the middle, plus he also released a decent through ball which isnt like him! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted August 23, 2017 Report Share Posted August 23, 2017 I really struggle with how Gana is so highly rated by most people who care to vote on man of match, currently he is not only our best midfielder in the team he's coming out as our best player. I really want to see in him what others see, but as much as I try I can't, he just doesn't do it for me, yes he's got an engine on him and he's got all the gears but he lacks any ideas, he's constantly getting caught on the wrong side of the player he's marking, always conceding fouls in dangerous areas, his vision when in possession of the ball isn't more than average as his passing. I think his willingness to run all day and hassle gets him noticed, but I want a lot more than that from our supposedly best midfielder, I want an Arteta figure he did everything. I honestly believe he wouldn't make the team of any of the six who finished above us last season, and even the bench with some of them. Sorry lads that how I see it, we need a lot better if we want to keep progressing, put it this way I would pick Davies over him every time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted August 23, 2017 Report Share Posted August 23, 2017 I think Gana does a lot of work that he doesn't receive credit for. Those little foot ins, that break up play seem to go unotticed, or fans don't realise how important they are. He is also our link between defence and attack. He gets so many touches on the ball due to either receiving the ball, or making a tackle, and turning that into possession up the field for us. Ok so he doesn't play defence splitting through balls, but not many do these days. What he does do, is receive the ball, turn and make a simple forward possession keeping pass. It seems easy, but so many top players struggle with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted August 23, 2017 Report Share Posted August 23, 2017 Why is he even being criticised for lacking certain attacking abilities when that isn't his job?! It's like criticising Pickford for not scoring enough goals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted August 23, 2017 Report Share Posted August 23, 2017 Why is he even being criticised for lacking certain attacking abilities when that isn't his job?! It's like criticising Pickford for not scoring enough goals.He should be able to make a forward pass. Schneiderlin is further back so Gana has more responsibility going forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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