rubecula Posted June 21, 2018 Report Share Posted June 21, 2018 Argies could be knocked out in these stages before the knock-out stages begin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir McGiven Posted June 21, 2018 Report Share Posted June 21, 2018 Wow, Otamendi should have been sent off... Jerk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubecula Posted June 21, 2018 Report Share Posted June 21, 2018 3 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted June 21, 2018 Report Share Posted June 21, 2018 Messi nowhere to be seen again. pete0 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubecula Posted June 21, 2018 Report Share Posted June 21, 2018 To be honest no idea why he is still on the pitch and Aguero was taken off when they had no intention of letting him have the ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted June 21, 2018 Report Share Posted June 21, 2018 For me the question of who's the better player Ronaldo or Messi is done Ronaldo is proving hands down its him. Today Messi wasn't in the game he should have been taken off and not Aguero, and why the fuck Messi is captain is a complete farce he never opens his mouth all game how can that be right. pete0 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted June 21, 2018 Report Share Posted June 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, Palfy said: For me the question of who's the better player Ronaldo or Messi is done Ronaldo is proving hands down its him. Today Messi wasn't in the game he should have been taken off and not Aguero, and why the fuck Messi is captain is a complete farce he never opens his mouth all game how can that be right. None of the attacking players got into it at all. Dybala barely had a kick when he came on, Aguero maybe had 1 shot, I cant even remember who the others were they were that anonymous. Sampaoli got it so wrong and its more than likely because of Messi. Playing against two of the best central midfielders in the world with a holding midfield behind, he played Messi as an AMC with an aging DM and Perez who I dont know a lot about. He also played a right back at centre back against a big, strong and experienced centre half. They almost got away with it, they had their chances but they just looked like they were creaking all game and it was that calamity from Cabellero that set it all in motion. Its sad to say but they will be a better team when Messi retires and they can find more consistent ways of feeding their world class striker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sir McGiven Posted June 21, 2018 Popular Post Report Share Posted June 21, 2018 21 minutes ago, Palfy said: For me the question of who's the better player Ronaldo or Messi is done Ronaldo is proving hands down its him. Today Messi wasn't in the game he should have been taken off and not Aguero, and why the fuck Messi is captain is a complete farce he never opens his mouth all game how can that be right. When you compare their individual/club based achievements, it is similar. When you compare their national achievements, Ronaldo is better than him. Ronaldo 33 years old and Messi 30 years old. I suspect Messi will be able to produce as much as Ronaldo at the same age, he will probably retire from the national team permanently this time as well. I've always considered Ronaldo as a good athlete and Messi as a god's gift. In fact, both have perfect knowledge of their bodies, weaknesses and strengths which makes them the best of all. But the biggest question is, as Ronaldo proved himself at Lisboa, at United and now at Real Madrid, could Messi have done the same? Could he succeed in a different team, different scenario? Probably we will never know because he has no intention of leaving Barcelona. In my opinion, what makes Barcelona special is their commitment to their formation. Same football in every aspect from the youth team to the senior. That's where and how he developed himself as a legendary striker. He is still one of the best though. It was always a pleasure to watch him and I was lucky enough to see him on the pitch alive. Sampaoli, on the other hand, can make himself a career in another business. If Argentina playing worse than Morocco or Saudi Arabia, then somebody needs to say "Wait a minute, this is not good..." I think he will be either fired or resigned if they can not make it to the knock-out phase. rubecula, Bailey, Sibdane and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghoat Posted June 21, 2018 Report Share Posted June 21, 2018 And ps, Croatia looks really good. Modric is just bossing the midfields they play against so far Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted June 21, 2018 Report Share Posted June 21, 2018 37 minutes ago, Ghoat said: And ps, Croatia looks really good. Modric is just bossing the midfields they play against so far rakitic too, they 2 of them together is as good as it gets. Ghoat 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted June 22, 2018 Report Share Posted June 22, 2018 9 hours ago, markjazzbassist said: rakitic too, they 2 of them together is as good as it gets. They have a decent team when they are all fit. Its a surprise they havent gone further in in previous competitions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted June 22, 2018 Report Share Posted June 22, 2018 1 minute ago, Bailey said: They have a decent team when they are all fit. Its a surprise they havent gone further in in previous competitions. They had Bilic as manager, so it shouldn't have been a surprise at all! aaron and Bailey 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted June 22, 2018 Report Share Posted June 22, 2018 15 hours ago, Palfy said: For me the question of who's the better player Ronaldo or Messi is done Ronaldo is proving hands down its him. Today Messi wasn't in the game he should have been taken off and not Aguero, and why the fuck Messi is captain is a complete farce he never opens his mouth all game how can that be right. I think it's evident that Messi has become spoilt by the platform he enjoys at barca. He has never had to lead or cajole his team mates. He is a pure natural footballer in the mould of maradona but not as good. I've always insisted that. He is a better player than Ronaldo. Ronaldo has squeezed every last drop out of his talent. Messi is like Ronnie osullivan.... Ronaldo like Hendry. That's the best way I can describe it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaron Posted June 22, 2018 Report Share Posted June 22, 2018 VAR used for the correct decision there, was never a penalty and good to see the ref change his mind on it. Sibdane 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted June 22, 2018 Report Share Posted June 22, 2018 22 minutes ago, aaron said: VAR used for the correct decision there, was never a penalty and good to see the ref change his mind on it. Should have been booked for diving too. Clearly faking the extent of the contact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted June 22, 2018 Report Share Posted June 22, 2018 6 hours ago, Bailey said: They have a decent team when they are all fit. Its a surprise they havent gone further in in previous competitions. Finished third in their first ever appearance in 1998 in France in (with Bilic playing); even went ahead in their semi v France but lost 2-1. Was a great story at the time. Definite dark horses this time for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyblue23 Posted June 22, 2018 Report Share Posted June 22, 2018 Rough game having just gotten back from Iceland. Gylfi made some really bad mistakes in the second half. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted June 23, 2018 Report Share Posted June 23, 2018 Good goal by the big man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westlo Posted June 23, 2018 Report Share Posted June 23, 2018 On 22/06/2018 at 07:43, Sir McGiven said: When you compare their individual/club based achievements, it is similar. When you compare their national achievements, Ronaldo is better than him You're being a prisoner of the moment.... Messi dragged Argentina to the finals last world cup, if Higuin didn't bottle it like usual.... Portugual won the Euros with Ronaldo off after ten minutes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir McGiven Posted June 23, 2018 Report Share Posted June 23, 2018 7 minutes ago, Westlo said: You're being a prisoner of the moment.... Messi dragged Argentina to the finals last world cup, if Higuin didn't bottle it like usual.... Portugual won the Euros with Ronaldo off after ten minutes. I don't think Messi was the one who dragged Argentina to the finals in the last WC. They were playing really defensively. Yes, he scored in the group stage and did what he supposed to the against Iran, Bosnia and Nigeria. I mean, c'mon... Let's check more serious oppositions: Switzerland? Belgium? The Netherlands? Germany? Let's admit, he is not as good as he is at Barcelona for Argentina. Reasons for it arguably but the fact is the outcome. Also, I am not a prisoner or something. As I mentioned before, I would go for Mbappe kind of player than any of them. So I am not a Ronaldo or Messi fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted June 23, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2018 Can you tell from their style of play who is managing Belgium? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted June 23, 2018 Report Share Posted June 23, 2018 Rom with another good goal. I can see him finishing top scorer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westlo Posted June 23, 2018 Report Share Posted June 23, 2018 13 minutes ago, Sir McGiven said: I don't think Messi was the one who dragged Argentina to the finals in the last WC. They were playing really defensively. Yes, he scored in the group stage and did what he supposed to the against Iran, Bosnia and Nigeria. I mean, c'mon... Let's check more serious oppositions: Switzerland? Belgium? The Netherlands? Germany? He got the assist for the winning goal against Switerland... also won the Golden Ball Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted June 23, 2018 Report Share Posted June 23, 2018 17 minutes ago, Cornish Steve said: Can you tell from their style of play who is managing Belgium? Yes. And Martinez' weaknesses showed in the first half of the last game. He either coaches the most entertaining sides or the most boring sides. Still like him though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted June 23, 2018 Report Share Posted June 23, 2018 If I was a Belgian fan watching this I would be a little furious. They are streets above Tunisia and they are set up to score goals so fair play they are doing that but this midfield and wing back situation is a mess. When they play England Lingard / Alli / Loftus Cheek are going to make runs in behind De Bruyne time and time again and they are going to find acres of space. I am a huge De Bruyne fan but he is playing like an unhappy toddler in this game at times. He has missed some easy passes which should have led to goals but his discipline in midfield is shocking. Chasing the play leaving Witsel all alone with a back 3 who are stretched because of the indiscipline of the wing backs. What makes this worse is that he just slowly jogs back like he is the striker despite being a key player in a 2 man central midfield. As they go further in the competition, he will effectively be playing against 3 men on his own. I have no idea where Mehrtens is meant to be playing either. These full backs play and defend like wingers as well, they are a team begging to be counter attacked and as soon as they come up against a ruthless counter attacking team they will concede a few. They might also score a few in return but if I was a manager of one of the better teams at the tournament, I wouldn't be scared to play them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir McGiven Posted June 23, 2018 Report Share Posted June 23, 2018 33 minutes ago, Westlo said: He got the assist for the winning goal against Switerland... also won the Golden Ball OK mate, I respect your opinion. In that WC for Argentina team, I would give credit to Di Maria, more than Messi. That's how I see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted June 23, 2018 Report Share Posted June 23, 2018 To be fair to KDB, since Fellaini has come on and he has moved forward and played great and they have still created lots of chances despite Hazard and Lukaku off the pitch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted June 23, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2018 Why is VAR not applied to potential penalties? That was a stonewall penalty to Sweden. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted June 23, 2018 Report Share Posted June 23, 2018 1 minute ago, Cornish Steve said: Why is VAR not applied to potential penalties? That was a stonewall penalty to Sweden. God knows how the rule works. Clear one missed for Serbia yesterday as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir McGiven Posted June 23, 2018 Report Share Posted June 23, 2018 As far as I know, if there is anything suspicious, referees in the VAR room are warning the referee. Then, he decides on either using VAR or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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