RuffRob Posted August 2, 2023 Report Share Posted August 2, 2023 do we think he is going to stay with the senior squad this season? They have given him plenty of time in pre-season to get a good look at him and he took a that goal nicely in his last outing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted August 2, 2023 Report Share Posted August 2, 2023 A goal like that will do wonders for his confidence, and that's an important part of being effective in the Premier League. He could rapidly become our replacement for Gray. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted August 2, 2023 Report Share Posted August 2, 2023 It's a good goal but against Sunday league defence. We won't see him this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted August 2, 2023 Report Share Posted August 2, 2023 Get him a Championship loan. I rate him highly but I don’t think he’s ready for the PL yet. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted August 2, 2023 Report Share Posted August 2, 2023 16 minutes ago, Matt said: It's a good goal but against Sunday league defence. We won't see him this season. They finished 10th in serie A. Hardly Sunday league like. Goodison Glory 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted August 2, 2023 Report Share Posted August 2, 2023 27 minutes ago, Hafnia said: They finished 10th in serie A. Hardly Sunday league like. Looking at that clip, I'd beg to differ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted August 2, 2023 Report Share Posted August 2, 2023 6 minutes ago, Matt said: Looking at that clip, I'd beg to differ. It was a lovely turn, but yeh its not the greatest defending you will ever see! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodison Glory Posted August 2, 2023 Report Share Posted August 2, 2023 34 minutes ago, Bailey said: It was a lovely turn, but yeh its not the greatest defending you will ever see! Many teams in the prem defended like that in games last season; Spurs, Leicester and us for starters. agreed Serie A is nowhere near the league it once was and dobbin shouldn't be starting but let's not right the lad off yet. Keep him in the squad. Hafnia 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted August 2, 2023 Report Share Posted August 2, 2023 53 minutes ago, Bailey said: It was a lovely turn, but yeh its not the greatest defending you will ever see! Oh he did well, don't get me wrong. But they're all over the shop and there's no way he gets away with that in our league. Bailey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted August 3, 2023 Report Share Posted August 3, 2023 He needs to be out on loan for another season, playing every week. And we need another option so he’s not needed. Matt and Romey 1878 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted August 3, 2023 Report Share Posted August 3, 2023 9 hours ago, Matt said: Oh he did well, don't get me wrong. But they're all over the shop and there's no way he gets away with that in our league. Oh you get away with far more than that in our league…. Isaac vs us for Newcastle is a great example. take it for what it is, showed great pace and invention. Don’t think I seen maupay do anything like that in the game - dobbin set him up with more smart play leaving him an easy slot in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c1982 Posted August 3, 2023 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2023 11 hours ago, Romey 1878 said: Get him a Championship loan. I rate him highly but I don’t think he’s ready for the PL yet. I agree but every now and again players are thrown in raw and hit the ground running - Rashford’s the best example I can think of in recent years - he was supposedly nowhere near ready when he broke onto the scene; it’s not all been plain sailing for him but it can work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuffRob Posted August 3, 2023 Report Share Posted August 3, 2023 I think another loan would be ideal, but I am guessing we are going to have to wait until the 11th hour and make sure we have definitely have enough cover without him. We never seem to have situations where we have comfortably won games that allow us to give young fringe players regular 15min at the end of games. Always having to battle to the final whistle - expecting a similar sort of season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badaids Posted August 3, 2023 Report Share Posted August 3, 2023 Given the lack of options up front I don’t think we’ll have any choice but to give him a chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted August 3, 2023 Report Share Posted August 3, 2023 2 hours ago, Hafnia said: Oh you get away with far more than that in our league…. Isaac vs us for Newcastle is a great example. take it for what it is, showed great pace and invention. Don’t think I seen maupay do anything like that in the game - dobbin set him up with more smart play leaving him an easy slot in. Yeah, our Sunday league defence. I'm just not expecting anything this season from him because we do this every preseason; get excited by a youngster that's going to be an answer to our problem based on a few mins in a training match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted August 3, 2023 Report Share Posted August 3, 2023 1 hour ago, c1982 said: I agree but every now and again players are thrown in raw and hit the ground running - Rashford’s the best example I can think of in recent years - he was supposedly nowhere near ready when he broke onto the scene; it’s not all been plain sailing for him but it can work. Mate, I'd love that to be the case because I really do think he's going to be quality and I was gutted when it looked like he was going to be leaving us before he signed a new contract under Lampard. I just don't think it'd be beneficial for him to be here this season. As for the example you gave - coming into a United side as a youngster and coming into this shit show is a completely different animal altogether and not even worth making the comparison! Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wall Writer Posted August 3, 2023 Report Share Posted August 3, 2023 I'm gonna do Lampard evaluation... Has he shown in preseason that he's got potential? Yes Are we lacking in options upfront? Yes Is he a better option than Maupay? Most probably Is he ready for the Premier League? Maybe, maybe not Is he ready to be a realistic back up for DCL? Probably not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted August 3, 2023 Report Share Posted August 3, 2023 Let’s say this….. I’ve seen more from him this pre season than many of our starters. He’s not a striker imo, very good mobility and work rate. I’d deffo play him out wide. He was seen as tye better youngster out of him and Gordon potential wise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted August 3, 2023 Report Share Posted August 3, 2023 Dobbin's strength's very clearly lie on the counter attack and getting in behind and it isn't easy to get that too often in the Premier League. The best sides give you space but are getting better and better at stopping the counter. As it happens though, he would get lots of opportunity against Fulham as they play a high line don't press the ball like the best teams. The way we have played has suited him because when he is on the pitch, you see Maupay drop into the hole and he is the one stretching the play and it has worked. I don't expect that to work as the quality of the games increases because they just don't pan out the same way. The one time when that space shut down for him (second half v Bolton) he lost the ball repeatedly. That half he played with the young lads and he had played longer than everyone else, but it showcased that he might struggle in and around a compact defence. I also don't really see him as a genuine wide player as he has very little quality with his delivery at this stage of his career. I think he is a player that needs a foil and he can't have a lot of defensive duties if he is going to be playing on the shoulder of the defence. There is a long way to go for him, however that role playing off the shoulder of the back line alongside a recognised striker is one that really suits him and if Dyche has that game plan in his sights, then he has to stay for the time being. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted August 3, 2023 Report Share Posted August 3, 2023 4 hours ago, Wall Writer said: I'm gonna do Lampard evaluation... Has he shown in preseason that he's got potential? Yes Are we lacking in options upfront? Yes Is he a better option than Maupay? Most probably Is he ready for the Premier League? Maybe, maybe not Is he ready to be a realistic back up for DCL? Probably not But we're in the mode of taking calculated risks right now. We're taking a risk with transfers, so it's reasonable to take a risk with a promising young player of our own. I'd rather give him the chance than repeat what we did last season with Simms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoo 2.0 Posted August 26, 2023 Report Share Posted August 26, 2023 Brilliant game from Dobbin today, personally would have kept him on for the 90. London Blue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted August 26, 2023 Report Share Posted August 26, 2023 29 minutes ago, Zoo 2.0 said: Brilliant game from Dobbin today, personally would have kept him on for the 90. He did seem to tire and was struggling to keep up his promising first half. Very positive overall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patto Posted August 26, 2023 Report Share Posted August 26, 2023 33 minutes ago, Zoo 2.0 said: Brilliant game from Dobbin today, personally would have kept him on for the 90. Should have taken Danjuma off he was finished after 70 min his fitness is poor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted August 26, 2023 Report Share Posted August 26, 2023 27 minutes ago, patto said: Should have taken Danjuma off he was finished after 70 min his fitness is poor Thought he had a good game to be honest. Very positive, moved forward and had a few decent efforts. StevO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted August 26, 2023 Report Share Posted August 26, 2023 I thought Dobbin was poor myself. The effort was there but he really lacked the strength to do anything and the fact he's all right foot meant he was very predictable. Wall Writer and Shukes 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted August 26, 2023 Report Share Posted August 26, 2023 28 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said: I thought Dobbin was poor myself. The effort was there but he really lacked the strength to do anything and the fact he's all right foot meant he was very predictable. For a first proper start he did well. He'll get confidence from that and improve. But maybe still more a bench player which will by the case in a few weeks anyway. Btay and Wall Writer 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted August 26, 2023 Report Share Posted August 26, 2023 2 minutes ago, Matt said: For a first proper start he did well. He'll get confidence from that and improve. But maybe still more a bench player which will by the case in a few weeks anyway. I'm not really knocking him tbh, his inexperience and lack of physical attributes just showed. They'll both get better but I didn't come out of the game thinking he did well, I came out thinking we really should have arranged another loan for him by now but we're a mess and can't really afford to. Matt and Bailey 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted August 26, 2023 Report Share Posted August 26, 2023 3 hours ago, Romey 1878 said: I'm not really knocking him tbh, his inexperience and lack of physical attributes just showed. They'll both get better but I didn't come out of the game thinking he did well, I came out thinking we really should have arranged another loan for him by now but we're a mess and can't really afford to. This for me too. If he plays regularly, we aren't scoring many goals this season. I think that once McNeil and Harrison are up and running he will probably get a loan somewhere and I expect his performances will at least get that at a decent level. Matt and Romey 1878 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted August 26, 2023 Report Share Posted August 26, 2023 I think he showed enough to be an option off the bench. Positivity on the wing & can see him being more influential against tired legs for the last 20 or so. Given that we didn’t have a lot of options he did well and definitely didn’t let us down. Shukes and Wall Writer 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badaids Posted August 27, 2023 Report Share Posted August 27, 2023 Did as much or a little more than Gordon when he came through. One of the few positives yesterday, and hopefully can build on it. London Blue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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