MikeO Posted February 14, 2020 Report Share Posted February 14, 2020 41 minutes ago, Btay said: Yeah with man city getting the 2 year ban. We must take advantage if 5th becomes champs league No chance CAS will uphold it imo. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted February 14, 2020 Report Share Posted February 14, 2020 33 minutes ago, MikeO said: No chance CAS will uphold it imo. Agreed, the chief investigator pronounced City guilty and said they would get a ban before he started his investigation, so hardly impartial... Plus they would have to look very closely at PSG and a Madrid for fairness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted February 15, 2020 Report Share Posted February 15, 2020 Regardless, I’ll f we get ourselves into 5th, let alone 4th then we would have beaten the teams competing for those places in the closing parts of the season. Still can’t believe this turn around and don’t believe we are even playing close to full capacity yet. StevO and markjazzbassist 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryj Posted February 15, 2020 Report Share Posted February 15, 2020 13 hours ago, MikeO said: No chance CAS will uphold it imo. I think they might as they rarely rule against the governing body. However that said I thinks there’s little to no chance it’ll be next season due to ongoing appeals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Romey 1878 Posted February 15, 2020 Popular Post Report Share Posted February 15, 2020 13 hours ago, Wiggytop said: Absolutely, and Europa will be 6th and 7th, who would have thought we could make Europe a few weeks ago ! A fair few of us knew it was possible even then. MikeO, Btay, markjazzbassist and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted February 15, 2020 Report Share Posted February 15, 2020 1 hour ago, Romey 1878 said: A fair few of us knew it was possible even then. Let's be honest..... when you make predictions you follow trends. Being 10 points away when you are averaging 1 point a game is like man city saying they can catch Liverpool now. It's possible but unlikely. However the 4th to 8th teams have been averaging lower points than any other season I can remember in the prem. For me it was frustrating because I don't even think Silva had to do a remarkable job with these players to get in top 5..... he just needed to identify the best 11 in the best formation... make it simple and stick to it. I still think we will come up short but it was a about reversing the trendline for me.... Dunc deserves huge credit for that momentum change. Carlo deserve a credit for identifying what worked and keeping elements of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Romey 1878 Posted February 15, 2020 Popular Post Report Share Posted February 15, 2020 What I find even more hilarious than our own fans writing off our chances is the way Sky are going about it. In all their coverage of the race for Europe we don't get a sniff. Wolves and United do, despite us being on the same points as Wolves and above United. Keep dismissing us and we'll keep going about our business quietly with one of the best managers in the world. We might not actually get there but Carlo says we're going for it and that's good enough for me. Aim high. Btay, Matt, Palfy and 5 others 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted February 15, 2020 Report Share Posted February 15, 2020 2 hours ago, Romey 1878 said: What I find even more hilarious than our own fans writing off our chances is the way Sky are going about it. In all their coverage of the race for Europe we don't get a sniff. Wolves and United do, despite us being on the same points as Wolves and above United. Keep dismissing us and we'll keep going about our business quietly with one of the best managers in the world. We might not actually get there but Carlo says we're going for it and that's good enough for me. Aim high. Exactly this. Plus, I’m not worried about a season competing in Europe as well as the domestics. Previously we’ve suffered because of inexperienced managers, now we have someone who’s done this for decades and the impact of that cannot be underestimated Palfy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted February 15, 2020 Report Share Posted February 15, 2020 If we get into Europe Carlo will no doubt have us breezing through games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post StevO Posted February 15, 2020 Popular Post Report Share Posted February 15, 2020 Backs to the wall siege mentality from here until the end of the season, need to fight for every point. If we can beat the teams around us it’ll put us in a great position. I see the next month as a huge opportunity. pete0, Btay, Romey 1878 and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Palfy Posted February 15, 2020 Popular Post Report Share Posted February 15, 2020 Away to Arsenal could be the most important game of our season, if we win that Spurs and Chelsea won’t want their seasons coming down to having to beat us which could be a real possibility. We need to treat every game like a one leg cup game I’m looking forward to the next 10 weeks with more belief than I’ve had since Martinez first season. Can we get fourth to fucking right we can. Hafnia, Matt, London Blue and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwlad Posted February 15, 2020 Report Share Posted February 15, 2020 In Carlo we trust. markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bailey Posted February 16, 2020 Popular Post Report Share Posted February 16, 2020 This is a funny old place sometimes. Lose a couple of games on the bounce and it will be relegation talk again! Matt, markjazzbassist, StevO and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted February 17, 2020 Report Share Posted February 17, 2020 1 hour ago, Bailey said: This is a funny old place sometimes. Lose a couple of games on the bounce and it will be relegation talk again! in all fairness that's how tight the table is at the minute. Only Liverpool have more points in the last 10 games as it stands. Let's keep that up. London Blue and Btay 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted February 17, 2020 Report Share Posted February 17, 2020 8 hours ago, Bailey said: This is a funny old place sometimes. Lose a couple of games on the bounce and it will be relegation talk again! I reckon 43 points will be the target this year. Crazy league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted February 17, 2020 Report Share Posted February 17, 2020 1 hour ago, Hafnia said: I reckon 43 points will be the target this year. Crazy league. It’s become tighter because 5 out of the so called big 6 are shipping points like we’ve never seen before, unfortunately for us the one that isn’t is Liverpool, wankers. Hafnia, StevO and Matt 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted February 17, 2020 Report Share Posted February 17, 2020 13 hours ago, Aidan said: in all fairness that's how tight the table is at the minute. Only Liverpool have more points in the last 10 games as it stands. Let's keep that up. All well and good but the sides we have beaten are all bottom half. You have to go back to Ferguson to see us getting points off a top of the table side and that was 9th and 10th (draws) and the win against Chelsea. If we keep up the points tally over the next 10 games I will be banging the drum with you all but let's wait and see as Arsenal, Utd, Chelsea, Liverpool, Norwich (a), Leicester, Spurs are much much harder before a relatively easy run in. It could be #Ancellottiout by mid April Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted February 17, 2020 Report Share Posted February 17, 2020 With the additional FFP issues that UEFA brings, with what’s going on City (and I fear us too soon), I can see concerns about qualifying. But I still want to win everything all the time, just hope we do it in the correct manner. Palfy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted February 17, 2020 Report Share Posted February 17, 2020 Last I read, we had excellent books. We may have operated at a loss due to signings, but our accountants said that we have nothing to worry about. I know they wouldn’t exactly come out and say, we’re in trouble, but I do trust our club is run the correct way. After reading that article, I’m more confident now. They may look to put us on a 3 year plan, and that’s fine. StevO, markjazzbassist and London Blue 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted February 17, 2020 Report Share Posted February 17, 2020 2 hours ago, Shukes said: Last I read, we had excellent books. We may have operated at a loss due to signings, but our accountants said that we have nothing to worry about. I know they wouldn’t exactly come out and say, we’re in trouble, but I do trust our club is run the correct way. After reading that article, I’m more confident now. They may look to put us on a 3 year plan, and that’s fine. Would you expect them to say we have balanced the books by breaking certain FFP rules. Only time will tell, but when someone pays 30 million just to take an option of being given the opportunity to sponsor the new ground in 3 years time, l have to say I have my doubts. Also another concerning statistic is that 85% of our turnover is spent on wages, that’s highest ever by a long way of any club in the league, on average I believe 51% is around were other clubs in the league spend on wages. I read somewhere I think it was football first that we will need to sell our better players to keep the clubs accounts within the rules, so we could see the likes of Richarlison Pickford and Digne going if the price is right, unless we can get a sponsor to give us 100 million and then prove that our brand is worth that amount of money, and it wasn’t just a scam to stay with in the rules of FFP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted February 17, 2020 Report Share Posted February 17, 2020 Answered your question before you even asked it haha knew it would be coming x It all depends on our books this next season in all honesty. Football doesn’t work the same as a normal business. Capex still exists, but they are not tied down to it. They can spend more than their budget as long as the money is there, and so finish with a deficit. What FFP asks, is that there is a solid plan to balance it back up. If we are spending money like that, with no long term plan in place, then, we could be in trouble. But I honestly think our club isn’t as naive as eastern billionaires. Though that could easily be me, being said naive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted February 17, 2020 Report Share Posted February 17, 2020 When we get rid of Sandro, Bolasie, Delph, Bolasie, all on big wages, and Martina, that Swiss lad and a few others we will knock nearly £400K a week off the wage bill. The expected money from new sponsorship deals, plus naming rights for the stadium, increased revenue from match days, corporate box's and stadium entertainment boost revenue making increased spending more viable. As Shukes said, our owners are quite shrewd and would have got first hand experience of monitising a new stadium from being at Arsenal when they moved. Btay and markjazzbassist 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted February 17, 2020 Report Share Posted February 17, 2020 5 hours ago, Bailey said: All well and good but the sides we have beaten are all bottom half. You have to go back to Ferguson to see us getting points off a top of the table side and that was 9th and 10th (draws) and the win against Chelsea. If we keep up the points tally over the next 10 games I will be banging the drum with you all but let's wait and see as Arsenal, Utd, Chelsea, Liverpool, Norwich (a), Leicester, Spurs are much much harder before a relatively easy run in. It could be #Ancellottiout by mid April Mid April if we're lucky! Give it until the next defeat knowing us lot. Bailey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted February 17, 2020 Report Share Posted February 17, 2020 27 minutes ago, London Blue said: When we get rid of Sandro, Bolasie, Delph, Bolasie, all on big wages, and Martina, that Swiss lad and a few others we will knock nearly £400K a week off the wage bill. The expected money from new sponsorship deals, plus naming rights for the stadium, increased revenue from match days, corporate box's and stadium entertainment boost revenue making increased spending more viable. As Shukes said, our owners are quite shrewd and would have got first hand experience of monitising a new stadium from being at Arsenal when they moved. Wow it’s crazy when you look at the wages we spend on those guys. But if they end up as stepping stones to where we are now, then it may all be worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted February 17, 2020 Report Share Posted February 17, 2020 This league is mental right now. United hold on and results go our way we could be 3 games off 4th with games against the teams above us to close in on them. If we keep going with our current form we will get 4th. No doubt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted February 17, 2020 Report Share Posted February 17, 2020 5 hours ago, Shukes said: Last I read, we had excellent books. We may have operated at a loss due to signings, but our accountants said that we have nothing to worry about. I know they wouldn’t exactly come out and say, we’re in trouble, but I do trust our club is run the correct way. After reading that article, I’m more confident now. They may look to put us on a 3 year plan, and that’s fine. I imagine that's also what City's accountants said! If your into your rugby, probably Saracen's too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted February 17, 2020 Report Share Posted February 17, 2020 8 minutes ago, Bailey said: I imagine that's also what City's accountants said! If your into your rugby, probably Saracen's too! Sure, but I trust Everton a damn site more than City. To be honest, I would have thought every teams books are checked every year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted February 17, 2020 Report Share Posted February 17, 2020 Just now, Shukes said: Sure, but I trust Everton a damn site more than City. To be honest, I would have thought every teams books are checked every year. They are "checked", it's not like the money isn't there, it's just a case of whether getting money that way is part of the rules. If our method is anything like City's, which doesn't sound too dissimilar (albeit I don't know much about it all yet) then it is something to be concerned about. Palfy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted February 18, 2020 Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 7 hours ago, Shukes said: Sure, but I trust Everton a damn site more than City. To be honest, I would have thought every teams books are checked every year. You must be a good salesman’s dream Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted February 18, 2020 Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 2 hours ago, Palfy said: You must be a good salesman’s dream I am mate. I’m a very trusting person haha. Everyone starts with respect, it’s up to them if they gain more or lose it. I always show faith and trust, people’s actions dictate if I lose that trust or gain more. Glass is always half full. People are great, and the world is a wonderful place. I hope I never have reason to change. London Blue, StevO and barryj 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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