dunlopp9987 Posted February 22, 2020 Report Share Posted February 22, 2020 1 hour ago, MikeO said: Er....yes, fill your boots. I was headed out the door as I posted that, hence the lack of further insight. Thought maybe it would spark a lively conversation. Glad to see it did so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted February 22, 2020 Report Share Posted February 22, 2020 2 minutes ago, dunlopp9987 said: I was headed out the door as I posted that, hence the lack of further insight. Thought maybe it would spark a lively conversation. Glad to see it did so. I do my best Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted February 28, 2020 Report Share Posted February 28, 2020 At last we're included in the discussion, though I wish we weren't really. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51653377 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted March 2, 2020 Report Share Posted March 2, 2020 if man city ban is included, with their league cup win it's 6th and 7th Europa spots now. 8th potentially on the way depending on how the FA cup wraps up. we are 3 points off 8th place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted March 2, 2020 Report Share Posted March 2, 2020 If the ban is upheld what happens to the Europa league place? Do Villa not get a shout while it’s due to a ban? It’s all very confusing. We need to just finish 4th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted March 2, 2020 Report Share Posted March 2, 2020 19 minutes ago, StevO said: If the ban is upheld what happens to the Europa league place? Do Villa not get a shout while it’s due to a ban? It’s all very confusing. We need to just finish 4th. no they removed the europe for runners up from cups. it's just winner or it goes to places. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted March 2, 2020 Report Share Posted March 2, 2020 24 minutes ago, TallPaul1878 said: Yea big clubs were getting upset because they often sacrifice a league cup for a league placing and so they miss out on Europe when a Championship side managed to get to a final League cup runners up have never qualified for Europe, only FA cup losers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted March 2, 2020 Report Share Posted March 2, 2020 39 minutes ago, MikeO said: League cup runners up have never qualified for Europe, only FA cup losers. What about semi finalists, I mean if they really really tried hard and wanted it, would they qualify? MikeO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted March 2, 2020 Report Share Posted March 2, 2020 Just now, London Blue said: What about semi finalists, I mean if they really really tried hard and wanted it, would they qualify? I'd offer a quite rude response to that but as you're a policeman I'll keep quiet, I don't fancy a dawn raid with the local plod smashing my front door down. London Blue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted March 2, 2020 Report Share Posted March 2, 2020 57 minutes ago, MikeO said: I'd offer a quite rude response to that but as you're a policeman I'll keep quiet, I don't fancy a dawn raid with the local plod smashing my front door down. So that's a no then. I won't even bother asking about third round runner ups whose mascots birthday aligns with a Mongolian Lima farmers pet wolfs star sign. MikeO and Romey 1878 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwlad Posted March 8, 2020 Report Share Posted March 8, 2020 No thanks though we've got pretty much zero chance now. Don't fancy the early start to the season to attempt to qualify for Europa or Thursday night games. Get the transfers done early for pre-season training and friendlies. Carlo then has a season to get his team up and running and perhaps go for a domestic cup! markjazzbassist, Zoo 2.0 and StevO 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted March 13, 2021 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2021 Think we can safely say our Champions League hopes are over and I can’t see us getting Europa either, we just look like a really poor side when we are expected to take the game to sides in the bottom half of the table Bailey, Wiggytop and Romey 1878 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c1982 Posted March 13, 2021 Report Share Posted March 13, 2021 Man City next Saturday in the cup will probably kill off any hope we had of Europe but it’s so frustrating losing at home to many of the teams we have recently as even winning half of them would have put us in such a strong position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoo 2.0 Posted March 13, 2021 Report Share Posted March 13, 2021 As unglamorous as it sounds, 7th place (I believe) allows qualification to the UEFA Europa Conference which is a new competition which is in place from the 2021/22 season. I wouldn't write us off just yet, form is something that nobody (apart from Manchester City) has managed to have this season, as infuriating as it sounds there will be more defeats for everyone between now and the end of the season. Doesn't take away from the fact that we are wank at home, aren't hungry enough and don't have enough players at the club of the mould we should for Champions League qualification, but that's another story. markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted March 13, 2021 Report Share Posted March 13, 2021 18 minutes ago, Zoo 2.0 said: As unglamorous as it sounds, 7th place (I believe) allows qualification to the UEFA Europa Conference which is a new competition which is in place from the 2021/22 season. I just managed to delete my answer. The league cup winners get the Conference place but if they qualify elsewhere it goes back to the best place non-qualified team in the league, so if both cups are won by top six teams then logically 8th would be good enough (4xCL, 3xEL for the top seven) though I've not read the regs so not certain. But would we really want to be in it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted March 13, 2021 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, MikeO said: I just managed to delete my answer. The league cup winners get the Conference place but if they qualify elsewhere it goes back to the best place non-qualified team in the league, so if both cups are won by top six teams then logically 8th would be good enough (4xCL, 3xEL for the top seven) though I've not read the regs so not certain. But would we really want to be in it? 100% we should want to be in it if we ever want to evolve as a team. European qualification raises the profile of the club and helps us attract a better calibre of player with regards to new signings. It’s also another shot at a trophy and back door to the Champions League so I personally don’t understand why anybody wouldn’t want it Matt, markjazzbassist and Zoo 2.0 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Zoo 2.0 Posted March 13, 2021 Popular Post Report Share Posted March 13, 2021 9 minutes ago, MikeO said: I just managed to delete my answer. The league cup winners get the Conference place but if they qualify elsewhere it goes back to the best place non-qualified team in the league, so if both cups are won by top six teams then logically 8th would be good enough (4xCL, 3xEL for the top seven) though I've not read the regs so not certain. But would we really want to be in it? Said it before, when your last major trophy was in 1995 you don't get to pick and choose which competitions you fancy playing in. I'm not going to set off fireworks when we qualify but yes, I would rather we took part in this than not at all. In regards to 7th/8th I'm not sure exactly sure on the specifics, but assume that the domestic cups being won by the "top teams" would surely open up league positions. Matt, markjazzbassist, duncanmckenzieismagic and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted March 13, 2021 Report Share Posted March 13, 2021 1 hour ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said: 100% we should want to be in it if we ever want to evolve as a team. European qualification raises the profile of the club and helps us attract a better calibre of player with regards to new signings. It’s also another shot at a trophy and back door to the Champions League so I personally don’t understand why anybody wouldn’t want it That's the Europa, not the conference, the conference is basically aimed at the lower tiered leagues in Europe so we'd be faffing about in Scandinavia and Eastern Europe if we got in against the likes of Lokomotiv Plovdiv (I love that name) with very little potential reward. Modern day Intertoto. dunlopp9987 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwlad Posted March 14, 2021 Report Share Posted March 14, 2021 I'd just keep thinking Vauxhalls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunlopp9987 Posted April 15, 2021 Report Share Posted April 15, 2021 Can someone clarify this for me? Champions League -If City win the CL, whoever finishes 5th in the league qualifies for 2021/22 UCL -If Chelsea win the CL and finish top 4, same scenario as City. If they win the CL and finish 5th or 6th, an extra Europa League spot would go to whomever finishes 7th. Europa League -If United win and finish top 4, no extra 2021/22 Europa League spots are added? -If Arsenal win and finish outside top 6, same situation where no extra spots are added? Basically I'm wondering if there's a world where, if English teams win both the CL and EL, could whomever finishes 8th in the PL conceivably be in the EL next season? This is doing my head in trying to figure this out Palfy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted April 15, 2021 Report Share Posted April 15, 2021 3 minutes ago, dunlopp9987 said: Can someone clarify this for me? Champions League -If City win the CL, whoever finishes 5th in the league qualifies for 2021/22 UCL -If Chelsea win the CL and finish top 4, same scenario as City. If they win the CL and finish 5th or 6th, an extra Europa League spot would go to whomever finishes 7th. Europa League -If United win and finish top 4, no extra 2021/22 Europa League spots are added? -If Arsenal win and finish outside top 6, same situation where no extra spots are added? Basically I'm wondering if there's a world where, if English teams win both the CL and EL, could whomever finishes 8th in the PL conceivably be in the EL next season? This is doing my head in trying to figure this out Mike is usually the man for unraveling all the permutations, like you it also confuses the life out of me. dunlopp9987 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted April 15, 2021 Report Share Posted April 15, 2021 1 hour ago, dunlopp9987 said: Can someone clarify this for me? Champions League -If City win the CL, whoever finishes 5th in the league qualifies for 2021/22 UCL -If Chelsea win the CL and finish top 4, same scenario as City. If they win the CL and finish 5th or 6th, an extra Europa League spot would go to whomever finishes 7th. Europa League -If United win and finish top 4, no extra 2021/22 Europa League spots are added? -If Arsenal win and finish outside top 6, same situation where no extra spots are added? Basically I'm wondering if there's a world where, if English teams win both the CL and EL, could whomever finishes 8th in the PL conceivably be in the EL next season? This is doing my head in trying to figure this out There do seem to be circumstances this year where 7th would be a Europa spot in the scenarios you mention (FA Cup runners up no longer get a place if winners qualify elsewhere). On top of that there's the new "UEFA Europa Conference League" which is primarily aimed at "lesser" leagues, top five only get one place while lower ones get 2,3 or 4, so theoretically and logically 8th might get into that. Don't take that as gospel though, just my understanding of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted April 15, 2021 Report Share Posted April 15, 2021 https://www.premierleague.com/european-qualification-explained The only bit I read was that it was a maximum of 7 Premier League sides that can play in Europe. I am sure the ways in which is works are contained above... whether it makes any sense is a different story! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted April 15, 2021 Report Share Posted April 15, 2021 2 minutes ago, Bailey said: https://www.premierleague.com/european-qualification-explained The only bit I read was that it was a maximum of 7 Premier League sides that can play in Europe. I am sure the ways in which is works are contained above... whether it makes any sense is a different story! So if the league and FA cup winners finish top 6/7 we lose our "conference" place? That seems to contradict the qualification criterea, but time will tell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted April 15, 2021 Report Share Posted April 15, 2021 I’ll make it easy for everyone - we’re not qualifying for Europe. You're welcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted April 16, 2021 Report Share Posted April 16, 2021 I reckon we probably now need about 14/15 points from the last seven games to have a chance, it's not impossible if we play as well as we did up front tonight, but it is if we carry on making the same screw-ups at the back. The second goal was unlucky certainly but still shouldn't have happened. StevO, c1982 and Btay 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c1982 Posted April 16, 2021 Report Share Posted April 16, 2021 If key players can stay fit, we could (we won’t) very easily win all of the remaining games (banking on Man C giving us a gimme on the last day of the season before their FA Cup and Champions League finals!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted April 16, 2021 Report Share Posted April 16, 2021 56 minutes ago, MikeO said: I reckon we probably now need about 14/15 points from the last seven games to have a chance, it's not impossible if we play as well as we did up front tonight, but it is if we carry on making the same screw-ups at the back. The second goal was unlucky certainly but still shouldn't have happened. And if we could go back to finishing off more chances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isaiah Posted April 16, 2021 Report Share Posted April 16, 2021 If there is fight in us, we'll make this new Europa Conference thing (i.e 7th place in the league). If there isn't, we won't. It's that simple. The run-in we have, we should finish top 7 at least. If we don't, it's because of a lack of fight and desire. Either result will be fine with me, because they'll both let me know where we currently stand. If we do it, we've progressed, and if we don't, we haven't. StevO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwlad Posted April 17, 2021 Report Share Posted April 17, 2021 21 hours ago, c1982 said: If key players can stay fit, we could (we won’t) very easily win all of the remaining games (banking on Man C giving us a gimme on the last day of the season before their FA Cup and Champions League finals!) Perhaps they could if it means we could qualify over a team they really dislike? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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