Zoo 2.0 Posted May 13, 2021 Report Share Posted May 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, Shukes said: Its not losing or drawing that hurts so much, but the not trying. Absolute shite. Shukes and MikeO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted May 13, 2021 Report Share Posted May 13, 2021 4 minutes ago, Zoo 2.0 said: Absolute shite. It annoys me so much. I can take losing 0-3 as long as we are giving it our all. But if we just go through the motions of a game without much effort, I’m depressed for days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted May 13, 2021 Report Share Posted May 13, 2021 We aren't qualifying for Europe, stop worrying about it. dunlopp9987 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted May 13, 2021 Report Share Posted May 13, 2021 15 minutes ago, Shukes said: It annoys me so much. I can take losing 0-3 as long as we are giving it our all. But if we just go through the motions of a game without much effort, I’m depressed for days. Shukes I may be wrong but what I got from @Zoo 2.0 saying "absolute shite" to your not trying post was that he was suggesting what you said was shite rather than the team's effort. As I said, may have read it wrong, Zoo will doubtless clarify. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted May 13, 2021 Report Share Posted May 13, 2021 1 minute ago, MikeO said: Shukes I may be wrong but what I got from @Zoo 2.0 saying "absolute shite" to your not trying post was that he was suggesting what you said was shite rather than the team's effort. As I said, may have read it wrong, Zoo will doubtless clarify. Ahh missed that haha. But I would be surprised if anyone thinks we’ve put up a fight to get to Europe this season. I honestly feel we’ve just gone through the motions, rather than fought to our last. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted May 13, 2021 Report Share Posted May 13, 2021 Personally I think Carlos reluctant to allow the team to express themselves. When being hard to beat and taking your chances works, it's a sign of building and solidity. When it doesn't work all the flaws in the team shine through. I'm expecting players to have much more responsibility in dominating games next season, a new midfielder is absolutely essential. Matt and Bailey 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted May 13, 2021 Report Share Posted May 13, 2021 We will finish 7th, we just have to better Spurs results, which I think we will do. That should get us into Europe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted May 14, 2021 Report Share Posted May 14, 2021 15 hours ago, Aidan said: Personally I think Carlos reluctant to allow the team to express themselves. When being hard to beat and taking your chances works, it's a sign of building and solidity. When it doesn't work all the flaws in the team shine through. I'm expecting players to have much more responsibility in dominating games next season, a new midfielder is absolutely essential. He has almost said as much as well. It is only a sign of building when the shackles start to come off and you don't start shipping chances at the other end. I do expect us to come out next season with a lot more intent to attack, like we did at the start of this season. StevO, Matt, Romey 1878 and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted May 15, 2021 Report Share Posted May 15, 2021 West ham drew 1-1 with Brighton so it’s on again. Just need to better Spurs and west ham for poking a over the next 3 games. Looking to James to inspire - it’s why he’s here so he has to step up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunlopp9987 Posted May 15, 2021 Report Share Posted May 15, 2021 @markjazzbassistyou were right that WH weren't gonna be able to pull out a CL spot. Their form and their final games all pointed to them arguably being the favorites to claim fourth. Now it really is a race between Leicester, Chelsea and the shite. I think we take either 3 or 4 points from the final 3 games and finish 7th markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted May 15, 2021 Report Share Posted May 15, 2021 4 minutes ago, dunlopp9987 said: I think we take either 3 or 4 points from the final 3 games and finish 7th I think if we take 3/4 more points we'll probably end up 9th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c1982 Posted May 15, 2021 Report Share Posted May 15, 2021 8 minutes ago, dunlopp9987 said: @markjazzbassistyou were right that WH weren't gonna be able to pull out a CL spot. Their form and their final games all pointed to them arguably being the favorites to claim fourth. Now it really is a race between Leicester, Chelsea and the shite. I think we take either 3 or 4 points from the final 3 games and finish 7th No argument - West Ham were never the favourites for a top 4 place and they’ve wobbled since Rice has been out. Liverpool, sadly have to be favourites for the top 4 on the basis that Leicester and Chelsea have to play each other. We should be winning our next 2 games and then let’s see what that looks like. Ancelotti’s never finished outside the top 6... we shall see. MikeO and markjazzbassist 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted May 15, 2021 Report Share Posted May 15, 2021 32 minutes ago, c1982 said: No argument - West Ham were never the favourites for a top 4 place and they’ve wobbled since Rice has been out. Liverpool, sadly have to be favourites for the top 4 on the basis that Leicester and Chelsea have to play each other. We should be winning our next 2 games and then let’s see what that looks like. Ancelotti’s never finished outside the top 6... we shall see. Well he did last season but I like your optimism Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted May 15, 2021 Report Share Posted May 15, 2021 Has to be 7 points. Spurs play Leicester and wolves so there’s a chance there. We need another slip up from west ham against either west brom or Southampton which is entirely possible. I think we will see the team we started the season with - we been better defensively so hopefully we can find that attacking swagger and beef up our goal difference. MikeO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted May 15, 2021 Report Share Posted May 15, 2021 20 minutes ago, Matt said: Well he did last season but I like your optimism The stat is for when he was in charge for a full season. Wasn't last year. c1982 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunlopp9987 Posted May 16, 2021 Report Share Posted May 16, 2021 I just have very little confidence in us finding a win against Wolves. It feels like it should be one of those winnable games, but I just see us slipping up and only managing a draw. I think we beat Sheffield, draw Wolves, lose against City Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted May 16, 2021 Report Share Posted May 16, 2021 Ah, match day dawns. Wecome to the pleasure dome torture chamber. StevO and Romey 1878 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted May 16, 2021 Report Share Posted May 16, 2021 Just now, MikeO said: Ah, match day dawns. Wecome to the pleasure dome torture chamber. Albert Einstein did say insanity is doing the same thing over and over but expecting a different result... guess that sums us all up MikeO, StevO, Romey 1878 and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted May 16, 2021 Report Share Posted May 16, 2021 9 hours ago, MikeO said: The stat is for when he was in charge for a full season. Wasn't last year. I know. Of all the people I thought would back up my pedantry, I thought I could count on you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elston Gunnn Posted May 16, 2021 Report Share Posted May 16, 2021 Our most likely chance to finish 7th — not our only chance, but most likely chance — remains passing Spurs. Either take 7 points to Spurs’ 6, or take 6 points to Spurs’ 4. Spurs play Wolves before our match, so if Spurs draw or lose, that helps us enormously. One significant disadvantage for us is that if we finish in a tie for 6-7th with any of WHam, Spurs, or Arsenal, we lose GD tiebreaker. For that matter, if we collapse and fall In the table, we’d even lose tiebreaker to Leeds or Villa. 4-5th still mathematically possible, but not going to happen. 6th is very optimistic. 7th is decent chance. 8-9th still dismally 50-50. 10-11th gloomy, gloomy. [Ah, Villa lose, so we can’t fall all the way to 11th. Still, 10th would be gloomy enough......] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted May 16, 2021 Report Share Posted May 16, 2021 The fight is definitely on for 6th. Anything higher than that would be very unlikely IMO especially given our games. It should be 3 points tonight but Wolves are difficult to score against and whilst City can be beaten when their intensity is down, it isn't the place you want to go to when some of them will be eyeing up a spot on the teamsheet for thr Champions League final. I would say 5 or 6 points would be s realistic best case scenario. 61-62 pts West Ham have the easiest two games left. West Brom are down and don't even know if they will be playing for the same manager next season and whilst Soton are starting to turn the corner, they are leaky and have nothing to play for. I would expect them to win at least one of those two so best csse scenario they pick up 3-4 points. 62-63 pts Spurs have the hardest run in. They are playing Wolves now and 15 mins in they look ropey on the counter. They then play Villa who now have nothing to play for (Palace beat them off the park in the second half) and they are a team contrary to our performances against them ship chances but will be up against Grealish with two appearances under his belt and an England place to play for (along with Watkins). Then they are up against Leicester and I don't see them taking their foot off the gas. I am going to go for them picking up 4-5 points. 61-62 points The two teams behind us, Arsenal and Leeds both have decent fixtures. Its almost impossible to predict Arsenal but they probably should be eyeing up two wins and so will Leeds. 4-6 points for each of them leaves Arsenal on 59-61 and Leeds on 57-59. My prediction is that it will end: 6. West Ham 63pts 7. Spurs 61pts (on GD) 8.Everton 61pts 9.Arsenal 60pts 10. Leeds 59pts I imagine it will look absolutely nothing like that! StevO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted May 16, 2021 Report Share Posted May 16, 2021 I would love to finish 6th or 7th but if we finished 8th I wouldn’t be unhappy, to go up 4 places from last season for me would be classed as a significant improvement, the following season I would expect a minimum finish of 6th, then 22/23 season 4th or better, and wouldn’t that be a great start to life in the new stadium playing CL football. We all have dreams and great expectations but these targets aren’t unrealistic and are very achievable. StevO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elston Gunnn Posted May 16, 2021 Report Share Posted May 16, 2021 Kane scores just before halftime. Spurs 1-0. Not good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elston Gunnn Posted May 16, 2021 Report Share Posted May 16, 2021 Spurs 2-0. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted May 16, 2021 Report Share Posted May 16, 2021 Wolves have missed a few chances as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted May 16, 2021 Report Share Posted May 16, 2021 1 hour ago, Elston Gunnn said: For that matter, if we collapse and fall In the table, we’d even lose tiebreaker to Leeds or Villa. Not Villa, the most they can get is 55 points and we already have 56. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted May 16, 2021 Author Report Share Posted May 16, 2021 I can’t see us catching West Ham so realistically the best we can hope for, if we haven’t already fucked it up by then, is for Villa to get something at Spurs and us to beat Wolves at home next week and then hope Leicester beat Spurs at home in the final game dunlopp9987 and StevO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwlad Posted May 16, 2021 Report Share Posted May 16, 2021 It's the hope that kills you StevO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elston Gunnn Posted May 16, 2021 Report Share Posted May 16, 2021 1 hour ago, MikeO said: Not Villa, the most they can get is 55 points and we already have 56. Yes, you’re right. I originally posted prior to end of Palace-Villa match. I went back a few minutes later once I saw that result. See “Ah” comment. I can count, truly I can. Sort of like Terry said to Basil: “I can cook a paella, Mr. Fawlty.” MikeO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted May 16, 2021 Report Share Posted May 16, 2021 9 minutes ago, Elston Gunnn said: Sort of like Terry said to Basil: “I can cook a paella, Mr. Fawlty.” My favourite... "Do you like Cavalleria rusticana, Terry?" "Never 'ad it, Mr Fawlty." Elston Gunnn 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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