Vitaliy Mykolenko

[Palfy]

1 hour ago, RuffRob said:

I think it is still early days yet but I am eternally optimistic.

I think with this window and the next in the summer - when we see a huge amount wiped off the annual accounts as the amortisation and wages of Delph, Gyfi and Tosun disappearing. If you add Digne to this, then I see that as around £40M a year off the annual accounts, this is significant.

OK, these players will need replacing - but I am sure we can get more value out of this £40M a year. With his £17M fee (which I believe also includes add-on's) and reported £50,000 wages - Mykolenko is going to cost around £6.5M a year on our accounts - so some basic maths that we should be able to accommodate around 5 more similar signings to come on board over the next couple of windows. This is based on the assumption that we are able to spend what we now save!! add to this the sale of any other players al la Holgate etc - we could see a very different squad going in to 2023.   This to me what I will be measuring Rafa against in roughly 12 months time, I want to see a young energetic and hungry team/squad that is developing and looks to be going places. 

 

Great expectations to expect 7 years of mismanagement corrected in 2 years, but I share your optimism and positivity. What I want from all this is the club to once again become stable, for the management in all departments to take us into phase of progression stability and consistency, for players to come onboard and want to play for the club the manager and most importantly us, and my overriding dream is when we get to our new home we have a team that can deliver us European football in what ever format so we can show the world how far we have come as a club and a team. And wouldn’t it be just perfect if everyone on TT was here to see it. 

[Bailey]

6 hours ago, RPG said:

Not 100% sure if it is the first time ever but it is certainly the first time in a long time. Hate or love Benitez, he is ruffling the right feathers, getting things done and building his own squad. As a consequence, we now have a sense of purpose, direction and belief. In short, we are being properly lead rather than being wastefully run by a committee.

Lovely to see and long may it continue.

Do you not think this deal was largely ochestrated by Brands? According to the reports, we have been watching him for a long time.

IMO it has only been rushed through because of what is happening with Digne.

[Zoo 2.0]

I think most (if not all) of our January business will have been influenced by Marcel Brands, he would have been working day to day on this subject and his work wouldn't simply be tossed into the bin regardless of what the manager/chairman/board thought about his performance.

Agree that this move was perhaps escalated due to the immanent departure of Lucas Digne.

[RuffRob]

1 hour ago, Bailey said:

Do you not think this deal was largely ochestrated by Brands? According to the reports, we have been watching him for a long time.

IMO it has only been rushed through because of what is happening with Digne.

Read he was on both Brands list and also on Benitez list. 

I am pretty sure if he hadn't been a player that Benitez wanted, fancied and fully signed up to, we would not have signed him. So I am well and truly having this one down as a Benitez signing (whether he turns out good or bad).

I really don't think we will be buying any players now if they where simply just on Brands radar.  

[StevO]

35 minutes ago, RuffRob said:

Read he was on both Brands list and also on Benitez list. 

As the clubs transfer business was run by a group of people at the club it reckon it was just Everton’s list.

[Bailey]

2 hours ago, RuffRob said:

Read he was on both Brands list and also on Benitez list. 

I am pretty sure if he hadn't been a player that Benitez wanted, fancied and fully signed up to, we would not have signed him. So I am well and truly having this one down as a Benitez signing (whether he turns out good or bad).

I really don't think we will be buying any players now if they where simply just on Brands radar.  

Of course we will... Brands has set up scouting networks far and wide and that wont just be thrown away. 

The same scouts will be reporting into the same people at the club its just that Brands wont be overseeing that any more. Presumably that will be Benitez but I don't know that for a fact. There may be someone else involved before Benitez is consulted fully.

[badaids]

The poor sod must be wondering the hell he has come in to.

[plaidharper]

5 minutes ago, badaids said:

The poor sod must be wondering the hell he has come in to.

A new left back isn't going to solve our problems.  Won't even solve our defense. Wonder if Rafa plans to throw him right in or wait a bit?  Either way hope we get more reinforcements this Jan. window but unsure where we came up with the cash for Vitaliy in the first place.

[Palfy]

6 minutes ago, badaids said:

The poor sod must be wondering the hell he has come in to.

I don’t think he will he’s been brought here to help change things, and if he believes in himself he won’t be able to wait to get started and prove he’s better than what we’ve got. 

[rtaylor91]

10 minutes ago, plaidharper said:

A new left back isn't going to solve our problems.  Won't even solve our defense. Wonder if Rafa plans to throw him right in or wait a bit?  Either way hope we get more reinforcements this Jan. window but unsure where we came up with the cash for Vitaliy in the first place.

Think they finally found the Arteta money hidden in Bills wallet..

[Gwlad all over]

He'll surely play against Hull next Saturday.

[Bill]

Is he able to play on Tuesday.?

[Zoo 2.0]

The poor lad must be wondering what he's walked into. Would genuinely rather stay playing for Dynamo Kiev then pull on a blue shirt alongside the likes of Mason Holgate and Michael Keane.

[Shukes]

Sure he was one of those that left early! 
Saw a helicopter taking off with Ukr air written on it.

[Shukes]

We got rid of Brands because the manager wanted control of signings…. And we think we just brought a player that the guy we got rid and f wanted?

That would be very Everton haha!

[duncanmckenzieismagic]

28 minutes ago, Bill said:

Is he able to play on Tuesday.?

Yes he is available in the cup on Saturday and for the Tuesday game after that

[Shukes]

Just heard from someone in the know DCL has complained that he isn’t receiving enough crosses into the box…..

So Rafa is dropping him and playing Vitaley up front!

[Gwlad all over]

22 minutes ago, Shukes said:

Just heard from someone in the know DCL has complained that he isn’t receiving enough crosses into the box…..

So Rafa is dropping him and playing Vitaley up front!

Yeah, we know. Your mate's wife's hairdresser.

[Palfy]

3 hours ago, Gwlad all over said:

Yeah, we know. Your mate's wife's hairdresser.

No his hairdresser. 

[Bailey]

I feel a bit sorry for this lad. 

He really needs to hit the ground running because otherwise he will used as a stick to beat the manager. 

[Romey 1878]

5 minutes ago, Bailey said:

I feel a bit sorry for this lad. 

He really needs to hit the ground running because otherwise he will used as a stick to beat the manager. 

It'll be the same with Patterson as well. Neither one is coming into a good environment and yet both of them are going to have to settle quickly and basically be perfect.

[Gwlad all over]

To quote Monty Python "they're not the Messiah"... or maybe they are.

[c1982]

Seems he’s been on our radar for some time…

Tweet from 04/08/20

[StevO]

I’d imagine we had a scout over there, probably still working for the club now. 

[Palfy]

2 hours ago, c1982 said:

Seems he’s been on our radar for some time…

Tweet from 04/08/20

The part of this that I find intriguing is the Ancelotti’s Everton are also interested were they to sell Digne was that a consideration when Ancelotti was here

[Romey 1878]

27 minutes ago, Palfy said:

The part of this that I find intriguing is the Ancelotti’s Everton are also interested were they to sell Digne was that a consideration when Ancelotti was here

I think it was because he hadn’t signed a new contract yet so it was obviously something we were going to consider if he didn’t sign it. 

[Palfy]

4 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said:

I think it was because he hadn’t signed a new contract yet so it was obviously something we were going to consider if he didn’t sign it. 

Right didn’t consider that thanks Rom. 

[Aidan]

3 hours ago, Palfy said:

The part of this that I find intriguing is the Ancelotti’s Everton are also interested were they to sell Digne was that a consideration when Ancelotti was here

Probably just preparing for the worst case scenario.  Id imagine we have a contingency plan for most of our top players

[Romey 1878]

14 minutes ago, Aidan said:

Probably just preparing for the worst case scenario.  Id imagine we have a contingency plan for most of our top players

You do know this is Everton?

[Bailey]

11 hours ago, Aidan said:

Probably just preparing for the worst case scenario.  Id imagine we have a contingency plan for most of our top players

Or that we actually wanted genuine competition for Digne? 

[duncanmckenzieismagic]

http://sportwitness.co.uk/new-everton-signing-vitaliy-mykolenko-reveals-crying-30-minutes-car-toffees-transfer-agreed/

[patto]

On 02/01/2022 at 22:17, Bailey said:

I feel a bit sorry for this lad. 

He really needs to hit the ground running because otherwise he will used as a stick to beat the manager. 

The manager is doing enough damage on his own. 
we don’t need excuses to beat him with a stick. 

[Bailey]

 

 

[Aidan]

11 hours ago, Romey 1878 said:

You do know this is Everton?

Good point, well presented.

39 minutes ago, Bailey said:

Or that we actually wanted genuine competition for Digne? 

The rumour states he was a target if Digne were to leave. I can't see us spending £20m on competition for Digne anyway with the current state of the squad.

[Bailey]

4 minutes ago, Aidan said:

Good point, well presented.

The rumour states he was a target if Digne were to leave. I can't see us spending £20m on competition for Digne anyway with the current state of the squad.

I didnt read that bit!

Even then they are saying €15mil being too much so he would have probably been closer to half of what we are paying now.

[Aidan]

9 hours ago, Bailey said:

I didnt read that bit!

Even then they are saying €15mil being too much so he would have probably been closer to half of what we are paying now.

£17m rising to £20m apparently. I'm expecting a lot from him for that fee. Heard rumours hes on about £55k a week too. We will probably break even with Digne leaving but half the wages spent for our LB.

[MikeO]

44 minutes ago, Aidan said:

£17m rising to £20m apparently.

Press are saying "..understood to be up to £17m, including add-ons.." as far as I can see, what's your source?

[Aidan]

32 minutes ago, MikeO said:

Press are saying "..understood to be up to £17m, including add-ons.." as far as I can see, what's your source?

I saw a couple of posts on twitter, but looking back most are quoting £17m, so it may be that.

[Palfy]

10 hours ago, Bailey said:

 

 

It just struck me looking at his picture he doesn’t look like he would give you hard time, he looks to much like mister nice guy, hopefully he proves looks don’t count and he and he’s as hard and unforgiving as a KGB officer who got suspended for being an arsehole

[Gwlad all over]

Silent assassin.

[RuffRob]

1 hour ago, MikeO said:

Press are saying "..understood to be up to £17m, including add-ons.." as far as I can see, what's your source?

Everything I have read also leads me to think its £17m with the add ons. £20M may come from being lost in translation when fee quoted in Euros. 

[Bill]

Maybe the add-ons will make it £20m. We don't know what the add-ons are do we. ?

[duncanmckenzieismagic]

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/cristiano-ronaldo-vitaliy-mykolenko-everton-22640128

[MikeO]

Will be interesting after he's played a fair few games for us so we can assess his Vitaliy statistics.

[Gwlad all over]

Let's hope if we get past Hull we don't draw Bournemouth in the next round of the cup.

[duncanmckenzieismagic]

Looks like a right nasty bastard!

 

[Bill]

Thought he had a very poor game, got roasted time and time again by their wide man.

[Romey 1878]

13 minutes ago, Bill said:

Thought he had a very poor game, got roasted time and time again by their wide man.

I don't think he looked great but I'm not going to judge him on last night's game when he's not played recently, hasn't even had a handful of training sessions with his new teammates, doesn't speak the language, and is coming into a bit of a shit show of a side.

[Shukes]

Poor at the start, it looked like he fell for trying to hard. Was always eager to close down, and this meant he wasn’t reading the player. That will come with experience.

As the game went on I thought he showed us he has a decent touch and can get a cross in. 
 

Overall an average debut.

[Palfy]

He looked a bit unsure of his role for me, very early days but needs to adjust sooner rather than later to the English game. I would give 7/10 for his first game what a pressure pot to have to make your debut in, stood up to the task and never really let us down. 

[StevO]

Very soon to judge him, but looks like he’ll see a few yellow cards while he gets up to speed. Needs time clearly. 

[Bill]

Not writing him off but we have to realise these were lower class championship players and they pissed all over us, he wasn't the only one who looked a bit lost.  I thought if they had beaten us we couldn't begrudge them because at the moment we are shit.

[Shukes]

41 minutes ago, Bill said:

Not writing him off but we have to realise these were lower class championship players and they pissed all over us, he wasn't the only one who looked a bit lost.  I thought if they had beaten us we couldn't begrudge them because at the moment we are shit.

Watch the highlights mate. You’ll see a very different picture from what your reading.

They nowhere near pissed all over us. They got beat. We had two clear as day penalty’s turned down. We missed at least three absolute sitters. 
 

Give them their due, they battled their hearts out and even scored an excellent goal. But not in any stretch of the imagination did they piss all over us.

[MC11]

You could see that the pace of the English  game is something he’s just not used to. 
 

Hopefully he can settle and agree we can’t judge of his first game. 

[Bill]

6 hours ago, Shukes said:

Watch the highlights mate. You’ll see a very different picture from what your reading.

They nowhere near pissed all over us. They got beat. We had two clear as day penalty’s turned down. We missed at least three absolute sitters. 
 

Give them their due, they battled their hearts out and even scored an excellent goal. But not in any stretch of the imagination did they piss all over us.

Don't need to "Mate" im not reading anything, I saw the whole game and we were shit against a lower championship team.

[Shukes]

Ok 

[plaidharper]

Good to see him get some game time right away.  Hard to make any judgements at all until we have seen a few games.  Same goes for any player really who does not have PL experience.  We have all been screaming out for younger players so now it is time to give him a chance.

[Gwlad all over]

4 hours ago, Palfy said:

He looked a bit unsure of his role for me, very early days but needs to adjust sooner rather than later to the English game. I would give 7/10 for his first game what a pressure pot to have to make your debut in, stood up to the task and never really let us down. 

Hull weren't going to make it easy for him either given he's only been with us for five minutes and doesn't know the players or the language.

[RuffRob]

Think he did well to keep going for 120min in all honesty. Apparently had not trained for 2 weeks before arriving with us at the beginning of the month. All things considered I think he did fine. 

[Cornish Steve]

Frankly, it was strange to see him playing so soon after joining: Not played for weeks, doesn't know the language, not familiar with his teammates, and won't know the team strategy (if there is one!). Hopefully it proved of value to him, but I'm certainly not going to rate him based on a game in which he probably shouldn't have played.