Vitaliy Mykolenko

[RPG]

44 minutes ago, Cornish Steve said:

Frankly, it was strange to see him playing so soon after joining: Not played for weeks, doesn't know the language, not familiar with his teammates, and won't know the team strategy (if there is one!). Hopefully it proved of value to him, but I'm certainly not going to rate him based on a game in which he probably shouldn't have played.

One thing (well, several things really) that his inclusion in the starting 11 did show me was:

Digne is definitely going.

Holgate has slid even further down the pecking order if Rafa prefers JJK at RB and Coleman as the right of 3 cbs. Logically it would have been Coleman at RB and Holgate at cb.

I can actually see some attacking benefits of 5 at the back. Both full backs can get forward and even Keane managed a few forward forays. Now if we can only teach the defence how to defend we might be on to something. When Patterson and Mykolenko are settled and up to speed this system might very well suit us.

[Bailey]

I didnt really see anything of him to be excited about. 

He looked weak, averagely paced, his defending was really poor at times and he added nothing going forward. 

I did think he displayed a good attitude and kept at it.

Overall, my impression was that he looked like an academy product rather than an international footballer that we spent a lot of money on.

It is clearly very early days for him and should not be written off by any means. He needs time and I hope he gets it.

[Hafnia]

1 hour ago, Bailey said:

I didnt really see anything of him to be excited about. 

He looked weak, averagely paced, his defending was really poor at times and he added nothing going forward. 

I did think he displayed a good attitude and kept at it.

Overall, my impression was that he looked like an academy product rather than an international footballer that we spent a lot of money on.

It is clearly very early days for him and should not be written off by any means. He needs time and I hope he gets it.

Looked like a player who is brand new to a country where football is much quicker and to boot it was a cup game where the opponents had adrenaline and 110% commitment.

I seen nothing to be concerned about. 

[RuffRob]

1 hour ago, Bailey said:

I didnt really see anything of him to be excited about. 

He looked weak, averagely paced, his defending was really poor at times and he added nothing going forward. 

I did think he displayed a good attitude and kept at it.

Overall, my impression was that he looked like an academy product rather than an international footballer that we spent a lot of money on.

It is clearly very early days for him and should not be written off by any means. He needs time and I hope he gets it.

Not played for 6 weeks and a week with Everton - so nothing wrong with that debut, you can see he was keeping it simple. He was booked in the second half so that would have inevitably impacted his tackling after that. Pretty sure he would not want a second booking and a red card in his first game. 

He needs games and he is going get them. He is now our No.1 left back. 

 

[StevO]

17 hours ago, RuffRob said:

Think he did well to keep going for 120min in all honesty. Apparently had not trained for 2 weeks before arriving with us at the beginning of the month. All things considered I think he did fine. 

Why didn’t he train for two weeks? Injured?

[StevO]

2 hours ago, RuffRob said:

He is now our No.1 left back. 

 

He’s now our only left back

[Shukes]

I thought he started off poor and even in the second half made a few mistakes.

But I also think he relaxed in the second half and started to read the game better. His lack of pace allowed him to get back to the by line and make a couple of blocks, while he also managed to put a few crosses in.

One of which reached Gordon’s foot, which should have been a penalty.

Are we being overly critical because of the Digne situation maybe?

[dunlopp9987]

28 minutes ago, StevO said:

Why didn’t he train for two weeks? Injured?

Ukrainian league takes a winter break

[Cornish Steve]

49 minutes ago, dunlopp9987 said:

Ukrainian league takes a winter break

They could be merging with the Russian league in the spring.

[SpartyBlue]

28 minutes ago, Cornish Steve said:

They could be merging with the Russian league in the spring.

Voluntarily?

[MC11]

Can we all give the lad a chance ey? He done absolutely nothing wrong. I think once his confidence builds up he’ll be a great player no doubt. 

[StevO]

6 hours ago, dunlopp9987 said:

Ukrainian league takes a winter break

I’m sure he won’t have spent the break sitting on the couch eating Pringles (just me?), he’ll have been training everyday one way or another. I’m sure the lads fit as a fiddle. 

[Palfy]

3 hours ago, StevO said:

10 hours ago, dunlopp9987 said:

 

I’m sure he won’t have spent the break sitting on the couch eating Pringles (just me?)

You fat bastard

[Btay]

Seen enough to not be worried about him. I think he will be disappointed for the first goal but he looks comfortable enough on the ball - the potential is there.

[Wiggytop]

7 hours ago, StevO said:

I’m sure he won’t have spent the break sitting on the couch eating Pringles (just me?), he’ll have been training everyday one way or another. I’m sure the lads fit as a fiddle. 

Me too, shame Rondon wasn’t/isnt !

[Romey 1878]

1 hour ago, Wiggytop said:

Me too, shame Rondon wasn’t/isnt !

What we're seeing is a fit Rondon.

Scary.

[Hafnia]

10 hours ago, StevO said:

I’m sure he won’t have spent the break sitting on the couch eating Pringles (just me?), he’ll have been training everyday one way or another. I’m sure the lads fit as a fiddle. 

I was doing sub 40 minutee 10k as a played, went gym 5 times a week. If I missed footy for 3 weeks I would be blowi big time, can’t replicate match demands when not playing 

[Shukes]

31 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

I was doing sub 40 minutee 10k as a played, went gym 5 times a week. If I missed footy for 3 weeks I would be blowi big time, can’t replicate match demands when not playing 

Exactly. They say match fitness, but match sharpness is more of a thing at this level. Miss a few weeks and see how your touch isn’t quite on it.

[Hafnia]

1 hour ago, Shukes said:

Exactly. They say match fitness, but match sharpness is more of a thing at this level. Miss a few weeks and see how your touch isn’t quite on it.

My mate was a boxer, fit as a fiddle and able to box 12 rounds, turned up for footy in great shape, was blowing big style.  It’s very difficult to replicate match demands.  

[StevO]

2 hours ago, Hafnia said:

I was doing sub 40 minutee 10k as a played, went gym 5 times a week. If I missed footy for 3 weeks I would be blowi big time, can’t replicate match demands when not playing 

Good job you didn’t play in the Premier League then. 

[Hafnia]

1 hour ago, StevO said:

Good job you didn’t play in the Premier League then. 

Exactly…..  imagine how much I would have been blowing if I was play in a match where physical fitness margins are so fine, that 12 days of lesser activity impacts physical output by up to 50%.

Not sure if you appreciate the whole match fitness thing.  The lad did 120 minutes too

 

 

[Gwlad all over]

15 hours ago, StevO said:

I’m sure he won’t have spent the break sitting on the couch eating Pringles (just me?), he’ll have been training everyday one way or another. I’m sure the lads fit as a fiddle. 

I rediscovered Pringles whilst watching f1 this year!!!

[Gwlad all over]

Apparently it is Vitalii.

[StevO]

4 hours ago, Hafnia said:

Exactly…..  imagine how much I would have been blowing if I was play in a match where physical fitness margins are so fine, that 12 days of lesser activity impacts physical output by up to 50%.

Not sure if you appreciate the whole match fitness thing.  The lad did 120 minutes too

I appreciate the match fitness thing, but I’m not sure I appreciate you comparing yourself to an elite level athlete in quite the same way.

[Hafnia]

51 minutes ago, StevO said:

I appreciate the match fitness thing, but I’m not sure I appreciate you comparing yourself to an elite level athlete in quite the same way.

Trust me I’m not an elite level athlete, however at my peak I was extremely fit.   You can take an overweight/heavy player who has match fitness like a Rooney, Shaw etc and they will be far more efficient on the pitch than someone who is athletic like a Kyle walker who has had 3 weeks out and done nothing but training. 

Take Rooney out for 3 weeks and you are talking a seriously unfit player.

premier league is not the place for unfit players. 

 

[Bailey]

1 hour ago, StevO said:

I appreciate the match fitness thing, but I’m not sure I appreciate you comparing yourself to an elite level athlete in quite the same way.

This. 

Looking at his records he last played on the 12 December and the midweek before that. He therefore has been out for 4 weeks, but still training I assume. 

I know what match fitness looks like and I have no doubt that led to him struggling more at the end but I don't think it led to the other issues earlier in the game.

If he had been out for a year I would have more sympathy but its 4 weeks with training. 

I would put it down to him playing in a much more intense style of football than he is used to. It is something he will need to get used to. 

[StevO]

15 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

Trust me I’m not an elite level athlete, however at my peak I was extremely fit.   You can take an overweight/heavy player who has match fitness like a Rooney, Shaw etc and they will be far more efficient on the pitch than someone who is athletic like a Kyle walker who has had 3 weeks out and done nothing but training. 

Take Rooney out for 3 weeks and you are talking a seriously unfit player.

premier league is not the place for unfit players. 

 

I try to tell my wife I’m like getting in bed with Omar Sherif, she says I’m deluded for even trying to compare. 

[Shukes]

It’s not how far and fast he can run, but his first touch and passing accuracy that isn’t up to sharpness that’s the real problem. 
You can kick a ball up against a wall for as many hours as you like…. But you won’t get your touch without playing.

Its not a new thing guys…. Jimmy Greaves used to talk about it and many before him.

Some things aren’t excuses, they are reasons.

[StevO]

11 hours ago, Shukes said:

It’s not how far and fast he can run, but his first touch and passing accuracy that isn’t up to sharpness that’s the real problem. 
You can kick a ball up against a wall for as many hours as you like…. But you won’t get your touch without playing.

Its not a new thing guys…. Jimmy Greaves used to talk about it and many before him.

Some things aren’t excuses, they are reasons.

I don’t think anyone is disputing that Shukes. 

[Shukes]

Just now, StevO said:

I don’t think anyone is disputing that Shukes. 

We’ll that doesn’t mean I can’t argue about it! Why aren’t people disputing it…… F it, I’ll find a mirror!

[StevO]

2 minutes ago, Shukes said:

We’ll that doesn’t mean I can’t argue about it! Why aren’t people disputing it…… F it, I’ll find a mirror!

Jimmy Greaves was shit and his opinions aren’t worth a penny!

Better?

[Shukes]

Haha I’m getting roasted on all threads tonight!

[StevO]

12 minutes ago, Shukes said:

Haha I’m getting roasted on all threads tonight!

I bet you’d love to get roasted by all these blokes

[Shukes]

Just now, StevO said:

I bet you’d love to get roasted by all these blokes

Too far too far haha!

[StevO]

17 minutes ago, Shukes said:

Too far too far haha!

Taking that as a yes

[Shukes]

I feel like there’s an offer coming here

[Wiggytop]

25 minutes ago, StevO said:

I bet you’d love to get roasted by all these blokes

 

6 minutes ago, Shukes said:

I feel like there’s an offer coming here

Keep your man batter, sorry banter to yourselves

[duncanmckenzieismagic]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2022/01/14/evertons-vitalii-mykolenko-have-massive-motivation-replace-popular/

[Romey 1878]

I really wish we'd kept hold of our shit French international LB so that we could have eased this lad in. He looks nowhere near ready at this moment, and we need players that are ready because we're in deep shit.

[rtaylor91]

8 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said:

I really wish we'd kept hold of our shit French international LB so that we could have eased this lad in. He looks nowhere near ready at this moment, and we need players that are ready because we're in deep shit.

I said this to my brother. not against the business side to selling Digne, but would have loved that to come in the summer where at least half a season you had 2 options

[Sibdane]

My main problem is that we don’t have cover or competition, which was something we already lacked when we had Digne. How can we not learn? 

[Aidan]

I said it at the time, not the signing we need. Neither is Patterson. Not really surprised, this club makes bad decisions on a daily basis.

[duncanmckenzieismagic]

I actually thought he grew into the game, it’s a baptism of fire for the lad and he shouldn’t be put in this position but I think/ hope he might just be ok

[Romey 1878]

1 minute ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

I actually thought he grew into the game, it’s a baptism of fire for the lad and he shouldn’t be put in this position but I think/ hope he might just be ok

I actually agree with this, but it would be so much better for him, and us, if he wasn't having to learn on the job in the situation we find ourselves in.

[Bailey]

Again I thought his attitude to the game was very good but I am not seeing too much else at this moment in time.

His ability going forward is a particular concern.

[Aidan]

5 hours ago, Bailey said:

Again I thought his attitude to the game was very good but I am not seeing too much else at this moment in time.

His ability going forward is a particular concern.

And defensively too..

[msloan78]

I like his attitude. Threw himself into a few tackles, particularly the sliding interception against Sargent (I think).  Lord knows it must be really difficult mentally given the shitshow going on around us!

With the ball, he doesn't look like he belt past someone but, he looks patient and technically sound often looking for little 1-2 with the midfielders.

 

[Shukes]

He is showing that he can play football. He is also capable of putting in a cross, though his accuracy needs to settle a bit.

Overall it’s easy to see he is going to be a decent addition.

[Shukes]

To be fair to him, it was his first time cross back i to the box that creates our goal. 
Simple… put the ball into the box and it causes trouble keeping.

[London Blue]

I think he looks good. The kind of signing we need to make, young, technically good, battler, not phased by anything and willing to get up and down the pitch. Considering the situation he has walked into here, I am pleased and impressed. 

 

[BedfordBlue]

I think he will be good once he settles in and adjusts to the premier league 

[Bill]

Haven't seen anything to convince me he will be nothing but average. Can see Mna playing CH and Godfrey playing fb.

[MC11]

Rabbit in the headlights at the moment he’s walked in to an absolute shit show.

Back pass was a massive brainfart. Got done on the wing far too easily in the first 10 minutes failed to stop the cross that led to the first goal. 
 

It was naive of us to expect this lad to come into this league and be able start straight away. He’s got a long way to go and I just hope his confidence isn’t knocked. 

[Hafnia]

If I was him I would see if I could cancel my contract. He must be wondering what he has signed into.

Needs time. 

[Cisk]

On 16/01/2022 at 10:27, MC11 said:

Rabbit in the headlights at the moment he’s walked in to an absolute shit show.

Back pass was a massive brainfart. Got done on the wing far too easily in the first 10 minutes failed to stop the cross that led to the first goal. 
 

It was naive of us to expect this lad to come into this league and be able start straight away. He’s got a long way to go and I just hope his confidence isn’t knocked. 

If only we kept Digne to teach him the ropes until the summer.....

[nyblue23]

https://www.si.com/soccer/manchestercity/news/manchester-city-tracked-everton-full-back-vitaliy-mykolenko-for-a-while-prior-to-premier-league-transfer

Is Moshiri feeding Sports Illustrated false info to make himself look better? 

[badaids]

Great to see him on the latest training video come out looking miserable shivering and alone, just before Patterson who came out looking miserable shivering and alone.

[London Blue]

2 hours ago, badaids said:

Great to see him on the latest training video come out looking miserable shivering and alone, just before Patterson who came out looking miserable shivering and alone.

Wtf?

[Romey 1878]

45 minutes ago, London Blue said:

Wtf?

Been my thoughts on most of his posts lately. Not really sure what the point is.

[StevO]

15 hours ago, badaids said:

Great to see him on the latest training video come out looking miserable shivering and alone, just before Patterson who came out looking miserable shivering and alone.

It’s cold in Halewood sometimes. Weird post.