RPG Posted May 19 Report Share Posted May 19 6 hours ago, Cornish Steve said: Why can't it be the same line-up as we saw against City? Our back line did better than did Real Madrid's. Love the tongue in cheek comment: However, I think it will be a similar line up if Mykolenko is fit - just Mykolenko for Holgate. The problem arises if Mykolenko isn't fit as we don't have another left back fit and available. That is why Dyche is talking about a possible 'change of shape.' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggytop Posted May 19 Report Share Posted May 19 I wouldn’t be too shocked to see McNeil at LB and Gray LW, other than Dyche doesn’t seem to rate Gray. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPG Posted May 19 Report Share Posted May 19 14 minutes ago, Wiggytop said: I wouldn’t be too shocked to see McNeil at LB and Gray LW, other than Dyche doesn’t seem to rate Gray. It's certainly an option but I think Dyche dropped some rather unsubtle hints in his presser that if Mykolenko was not available there would be a 'change of shape.' I guess that can only mean a back three. But with Coady ineligible, Godfrey still injured and Holgate and Keane having their confidence knocked, who would the third CB be? The more I think about it, the more I think you may be correct. Pickford Patterson Mina Tarkowski McNeil Gueye Garner Iwobi Doucoure Gray DCL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted May 20 Report Share Posted May 20 20 hours ago, Wiggytop said: I wouldn’t be too shocked to see McNeil at LB and Gray LW, other than Dyche doesn’t seem to rate Gray. I don’t think dyche likes lazy players who lose the ball when there is a pass on. Gray was disgusting against palace he wasn’t much better the week before vs Fulham. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted May 20 Report Share Posted May 20 On 19/05/2023 at 01:51, RPG said: Love the tongue in cheek comment: However, I think it will be a similar line up if Mykolenko is fit - just Mykolenko for Holgate. The problem arises if Mykolenko isn't fit as we don't have another left back fit and available. That is why Dyche is talking about a possible 'change of shape.' There is only so much shape you can change when you dont have a player comfortable defending the full back position. In light of your latest post, I would be very against McNeil playing LB or LWB as he has been our best attacking outlet. We need him as high up the pitch as often as we can get him. If we were looking to control the ball (unlikely) I would look at playing a defensive midfielder in that position (maybe Davies) and have him step into midfield. If we were looking to be more defensive, then I would maybe look at moving Tarkowski across, and playing Mina and Keane as the traditional centre halves who would all hold their position with Patterson pushing forward. StevO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted May 20 Report Share Posted May 20 38 minutes ago, Bailey said: There is only so much shape you can change when you dont have a player comfortable defending the full back position. In light of your latest post, I would be very against McNeil playing LB or LWB as he has been our best attacking outlet. We need him as high up the pitch as often as we can get him. If we were looking to control the ball (unlikely) I would look at playing a defensive midfielder in that position (maybe Davies) and have him step into midfield. If we were looking to be more defensive, then I would maybe look at moving Tarkowski across, and playing Mina and Keane as the traditional centre halves who would all hold their position with Patterson pushing forward. Davies isn’t fit and the thought of him against traore would be an absolute joke. it’s just a fuckin joke. If we manage to crawl over the line or not, this team needs surgery and not one signing should be made till the bellends running the place are booted out along with their gutter press journos. RPG and Matt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPG Posted May 20 Report Share Posted May 20 2 hours ago, Bailey said: There is only so much shape you can change when you dont have a player comfortable defending the full back position. In light of your latest post, I would be very against McNeil playing LB or LWB as he has been our best attacking outlet. We need him as high up the pitch as often as we can get him. If we were looking to control the ball (unlikely) I would look at playing a defensive midfielder in that position (maybe Davies) and have him step into midfield. If we were looking to be more defensive, then I would maybe look at moving Tarkowski across, and playing Mina and Keane as the traditional centre halves who would all hold their position with Patterson pushing forward. I know what you are saying but without Mykolenko we just don't have a fit and available left back. McNeil could do a job at wing back if we played a back three as Dyche has already hinted at. The bottom line is that we are suffering from a combination of unfortunate injuries and poor transfer activity and we just have to make the best of our fit and available playing resources to get us to safety. Of course I wish Mykolenko was fit and McNeil could play left wing. But,Mykolenko doesn't look like being fit and McNeil is the only realistic option imho. McNeil could still get up and down the pitch and be a threat going forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted May 23 Report Share Posted May 23 Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badaids Posted May 23 Report Share Posted May 23 Just remembered we have Vinagre. He must be terrible if he hasn’t got a game while Myko has been injured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted May 23 Report Share Posted May 23 14 minutes ago, badaids said: Just remembered we have Vinagre. He must be terrible if he hasn’t got a game while Myko has been injured. Or, he's injured and been ruled out for the season weeks ago. RPG, MikeO and plaidharper 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted May 23 Report Share Posted May 23 1 hour ago, badaids said: Just remembered we have Vinagre. He must be terrible if he hasn’t got a game while Myko has been injured. Was wondering if he could chip in but he's out MikeO and Goodison Glory 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted May 23 Report Share Posted May 23 6 hours ago, badaids said: Just remembered we have Vinagre. He must be terrible if he hasn’t got a game while Myko has been injured. He must be terrible if he hasn’t got a game while Myko has been fit. Palfy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted May 23 Report Share Posted May 23 5 hours ago, Matt said: Was wondering if he could chip in but he's out Where’s he gone shopping Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPG Posted May 25 Report Share Posted May 25 If Mykolenko is fit for the Bournemouth game it actually complicates things a bit. If we play a flat back four with Mykolenko at Left Back, who plays Right Back? Holgate? Without Mykolenko, our options are so limited that a back three is almost certain and the team almost picks itself. If Mykolenko is fit, then both shape and personnel are up for debate. My ideal solution would be for Mykolenko to be fit but for him to start on the bench and for us to have a back three of Mina, Tarkowski and Coady with Iwobi and McNeil as Wing Backs. plaidharper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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