Hafnia Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 Has anyone actually noticed that when we have possession that our full backs bomb on and Barry becomes third centre half? Thats why stones was caught out, because Barry lost the ball. I can't forvtge life of me understand us having to defend a 19 year old kid who was far from the worst player in the derby. Joke. Let's just pick on naismith instead eh, not that he deserves it,just to take the heat off a lad who can become world class. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 Has anyone actually noticed that when we have possession that our full backs bomb on and Barry becomes third centre half? Thats why stones was caught out, because Barry lost the ball. I can't forvtge life of me understand us having to defend a 19 year old kid who was far from the worst player in the derby. Joke. Let's just pick on naismith instead eh, not that he deserves it,just to take the heat off a lad who can become world class. At centre back. Which I've acknowledged umpteen times. He's made some classy performances at centre half. I never want to see him at RB again though. The amount of times he was in a decent attacking position then opted to pass it backwards wore thin on me. He's was trying to be an attacking outlet but hasn't got the skillet to do it. Not his fault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 He's was trying to be an attacking outlet but hasn't got the skillet to do it. Not his fault. I didn't realise players were allowed to take the field carrying frying pans.....sounds a bit dangerous to me . markjazzbassist and Matt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 I can se what Migel is saying to be honest. Stones has not got the attributes to play the role Martinez is asking him to do when he plays at RB In the derby he was woeful but he wasnt exactly the only player to have a bad night. Martinez got his tactics horribly wrong on the night and as a team we were defending far too high up the pitch especially given the lack of pace we had in the back four I dont think Roberto is doing him any favours playing him as an attacking RB. He should either change his tactics to accomodate him or get someone in who can do the job he wants from a RB Sideliner, Matt, MC11 and 1 other 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 I can se what Migel is saying to be honest. Stones has not got the attributes to play the role Martinez is asking him to do when he plays at RB In the derby he was woeful but he wasnt exactly the only player to have a bad night. Martinez got his tactics horribly wrong on the night and as a team we were defending far too high up the pitch especially given the lack of pace we had in the back four I dont think Roberto is doing him any favours playing him as an attacking RB. He should either change his tactics to accomodate him or get someone in who can do the job he wants from a RB Spot on. Easy to see. Was meant to give you positive there mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest blueboy122 Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 I think people are frustrated because he has looked average at best against Liverpool and Villa but by no means should we be writing him off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 I can se what Migel is saying to be honest. Stones has not got the attributes to play the role Martinez is asking him to do when he plays at RB In the derby he was woeful but he wasnt exactly the only player to have a bad night. Martinez got his tactics horribly wrong on the night and as a team we were defending far too high up the pitch especially given the lack of pace we had in the back four I dont think Roberto is doing him any favours playing him as an attacking RB. He should either change his tactics to accomodate him or get someone in who can do the job he wants from a RB This is a genuine question, so dont read it in any other way! How would this defending deeper work? Say if we were 10-15 yards deeper. Shites attacking quartet are still going to press...our players would still make the mistakes, have a nightmare...the only difference being that it hapoens closer to our goal??? Does one team sitting deeper not just allow the other team to push up further? marcus jones and Matt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_E Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 He was much worse as a centre back against Norwich then he was as a right back against Liverpool or Villa. I'm not saying he'll be a better right back than centre back btw. But it's suprising how few of you can see context. Villa had 5 defenders and their 2 central midfielders a couple of yards in front of them in their box, of course he isn't gonna cross! He passed and turned his way out of trouble in our own half when building play up, used the ball well up front and created a very good chance with one of his passes. Against Liverpool he was let down by his experienced team mates like Jags and Barry who were responsible for the major fuck ups, yet Stones gets most of the grief. pete0 and Matt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 This is a genuine question, so dont read it in any other way! How would this defending deeper work? Say if we were 10-15 yards deeper. Shites attacking quartet are still going to press...our players would still make the mistakes, have a nightmare...the only difference being that it hapoens closer to our goal??? Does one team sitting deeper not just allow the other team to push up further? Thats an easy question to answer if you llok at the goals we conceded Watch the goals again http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1ai58b_all-goals-liverpool-4-0-everton-28-1-2014-highlights_sport The second goal Stones gets caught out of position because he is too high up the pitch The third goal is a simple dink over the top because the two centre backs are too high up the pitch The fourth goal Jags gets caught in possession and high up the pitch and because we had no pace in the back 4 Suarez is able to run half the length of the pitch to score It wasnt just the goals though, everytime The Shite went forward they looked like scoring by just dinking the ball over the top or sliding a pass through into the gaps left by our full backs If you defend deeper you dont leave those big open spaces at the back that Suarez, Sturridge and Sterling exploited time and time again Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 Stones is in the right place, Coleman would have been occupied in a similar position up the pitch during that phase of play. It's Baines(?) or whoever it was who gave possession away on the left wing to blame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 Stones is in the right place, Coleman would have been occupied in a similar position up the pitch during that phase of play. It's Baines(?) or whoever it was who gave possession away on the left wing to blame. The difference is that Coleman has the pace to recover from it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 Let's hope the lad doesn't read this forum for fucks sake............. markjazzbassist and Matt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thoward18 Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 (edited) Stones is 20 in May. Not 18. Do your homework. The point is he will never be a RB in a Martinez side. What got my back up about him was people saying he played well. He was absolute shite! in the derby and against Villa. I'll take it to mean that, because you got pedantic over Stones' age instead of addressing my general points, you've conceded defeat in the debate. Most defenders don't peak until around 26. It's impossible to predict what Stones will become, or if Martinez will even be here in 3 years. I'll find you a game where Messi, Zidane, Pele, Ronaldinho, and Oliver Kahn were "absolute shit" as well. A couple games does little to persuade me in any direction. Edited February 9, 2014 by thoward18 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 Thats an easy question to answer if you llok at the goals we conceded Watch the goals again http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1ai58b_all-goals-liverpool-4-0-everton-28-1-2014-highlights_sport The second goal Stones gets caught out of position because he is too high up the pitch The third goal is a simple dink over the top because the two centre backs are too high up the pitch The fourth goal Jags gets caught in possession and high up the pitch and because we had no pace in the back 4 Suarez is able to run half the length of the pitch to score It wasnt just the goals though, everytime The Shite went forward they looked like scoring by just dinking the ball over the top or sliding a pass through into the gaps left by our full backs If you defend deeper you dont leave those big open spaces at the back that Suarez, Sturridge and Sterling exploited time and time again Nah. Ive tried, but cant agree. We were just shite. Very shite. Put that back four 20yards deeper...those forwards would still have pressed and harassed, forcing mistake after mistake. The only difference would have been that we would be penned back. It was a miserable day at office. Anyway, this has been had over and over again. Ive learnt to accept other peoples views and move on...besides, we should all move on from this particular game!!! Its for our own good! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 Nah. Ive tried, but cant agree. We were just shite. Very shite. Put that back four 20yards deeper...those forwards would still have pressed and harassed, forcing mistake after mistake. The only difference would have been that we would be penned back. It was a miserable day at office. Anyway, this has been had over and over again. Ive learnt to accept other peoples views and move on...besides, we should all move on from this particular game!!! Its for our own good! Lol well if you cant see it despite the video evidence then I agree we should juts move on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 Lol well if you cant see it despite the video evidence then I agree we should juts move on Haha!!! Im tempted to delve into other things on the video evidence...but I wont!!! I do get that defending deeper against quick forwards is the 'industry standard', but the angle I am coming from is that in this particular game some key individuals made some key mistakes...and I believe that would have happened even if we sat on the edge of our box with a 8-1-1 formation. It was just an absolute dog. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Cake Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 I have no recollection where I read this but in order to achieve his first target we need to win our next two games. One of his claims is if you have 50 points after 27 games (we have 45 after 25) and you then average 1.94 points per game for the remaining 11 games you WILL qualify for European football (not sure if he said Champions League?). It was from one of his many early interviews after he joined us and as it seems to be a very precise and calculated target I'll believe him. Whether we can do it with the squad we have I'm not so sure. Also not so sure I want European football again just yet, unless he can attract quality reinforcements (who have the ability to concentrate for 90 minutes......) to bolster the promise we are showing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sideliner Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 We are struggling to meet our current schedule - running on the rims so to speak with Naismith as our main striker with the added burden of Europe we will pull a Swansea and Martinez might pull a Laudrup - We must not bite off more than we can chew - our present squad is far too thin for regular top 4 PL finishes never mind Europe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 We are struggling to meet our current schedule - running on the rims so to speak with Naismith as our main striker with the added burden of Europe we will pull a Swansea and Martinez might pull a Laudrup - We must not bite off more than we can chew - our present squad is far too thin for regular top 4 PL finishes never mind Europe So what do you suggest.....throw a few games to make sure we finish below United and hope seventh doesn't get a Europa place? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vranny Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 I personally think that at the very least the Europa League would serve as a good way of getting some game time into our promising younger players (eg.: McAleny, Lundstram, Duffy), as well as for the likes of Oviedo, Gibson and Kone to help return to full fitness before being thrown back into the Premier League next season. Obviously if Martinez sees fit to give the comp a really go if we can qualify for it next season, than that could be great too. Cornish Steve and Ant1979 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest blueboy122 Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 That would be the only benefit of that league for me. To give youngsters experience and players that need fitness game time. If we win the thing we only get about £2 million. UEFA need to close the gap between the CL and UEFA cup the gap is ridicuous in terms of standard of football for the most part and prize money. Playing away in Ukraine on a Thursday and countries over the eastern part of europe just absolutely drains the player and then a match on the Sunday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 That would be the only benefit of that league for me. To give youngsters experience and players that need fitness game time. If we win the thing we only get about £2 million. UEFA need to close the gap between the CL and UEFA cup the gap is ridicuous in terms of standard of football for the most part and prize money. Playing away in Ukraine on a Thursday and countries over the eastern part of europe just absolutely drains the player and then a match on the Sunday. Works out at a potential maximum of just short of €10m (not including TV money) over the course of the season....€5m of it for actually winning the final. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Europa_League#Prize_money Not sure if that's the latest figures; I know there was a thing a while back about UEFA closing the gap between the two Euro competitions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 Doesn't the winner get champs league now though? So if we do qualify for Europa and do well it deserves a go to get champions league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 Chelsea earned 10.7mill euro prize money when they won it. It is a hard slog for teams, but I would never turn my nose up at getting there. Its not just the prize money...its getting the club back on the euro map, raising the profile etc (not to mention extra gate receipts, merchandise and hot dog sales). Ant1979 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sideliner Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 what did it mean for Swansea and Laudrup ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 what did it mean for Swansea and Laudrup ? As I've said before, we've had two relatively successful runs in it and it's not got us relegated (5th & 7th I think were our two league finishes) so who gives a stuff what's happened to Swansea and Laudrup? We're not Swansea. Ant1979, Matt, Pearso and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 As I've said before, we've had two relatively successful runs in it and it's not got us relegated (5th & 7th I think were our two league finishes) so who gives a stuff what's happened to Swansea and Laudrup? We're not Swansea. That day is not today. MikeO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Newty82 Posted February 11, 2014 Popular Post Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 what did it mean for Swansea and Laudrup ? What? What have they got to do with us getting into the Europe??!!!! Laudrup was sacked, as Swanseas well respected chairman Huw Jenkins has said, because the board felt that the club was loosing its fabric, its feelin, the culture that had been carefully and successfully built up over time with Martinez, De Sousa, Rodgers. They also couldnt carry on with the constant feeling that Laudrup was looking else where. This alone was causing issues. Europe will be a challenge...but no club or its fans should steer clear just because it might be a bit tiring!!! Bailey, Pearso, Ant1979 and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post thoward18 Posted February 11, 2014 Popular Post Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 We better not try to win the FA Cup. Look what it did to Wigan! Matt, Ant1979, Romey 1878 and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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