Shukes Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 Think I've got different expectations of a captain to most of you. A captain should lead by example, not with his mouth. Jags will probably be first to admit that he's not the best defender around, but he conducts himself with dignity and always gives his all. That's what makes our club special; dignity. It can be a detriment sometimes, and an uncelebrated strength most of the time. A big part of the reason I love this club is that the squad hasn't succumbed to the the lime light, attention seeking antics that others have. I love our integrity. Post of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 Think I've got different expectations of a captain to most of you. A captain should lead by example, not with his mouth. Jags will probably be first to admit that he's not the best defender around, but he conducts himself with dignity and always gives his all. That's what makes our club special; dignity. It can be a detriment sometimes, and an uncelebrated strength most of the time. A big part of the reason I love this club is that the squad hasn't succumbed to the the lime light, attention seeking antics that others have. I love our integrity.That clip of him consoling Barkley shows he's not fit to be captain. He's limp. Its not just shouting at the ref, it's protecting your teammates. He's last man to a scene. That guy who stands with the girls when it all kicks off in the pub. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 I thought jags was unlucky for the first pen the second was silly but I love Williams and jags at the back. I wonder who koeman has lined up for jags replacement long term? Holgate? I can see mori getting sold but when he's not playing the price goes down. I'd deffo keep him mind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 Barkley should never be skipper, you're right Pete. I've said it time and time again Coleman is the man after Jags, for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted October 16, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 Williams should be captain now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 Has Coleman taken the captain's role for us when Jags isn't on the park sounds good choice he's doing it for his country and it hasn't affected his form quite the reverse so he could be the natural choice when Jags has to hand it over Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 I thought jags was unlucky for the first pen the second was silly but I love Williams and jags at the back. I wonder who koeman has lined up for jags replacement long term? Holgate? I can see mori getting sold but when he's not playing the price goes down. I'd deffo keep him mind Just watching it again Bolasie's very poor clearance played a part, then Seamus contributed by inadvertently knocking the ball back to Silva after Jags first tackle was successful. He probably shouldn't have swung his leg because Barry was there as cover but a comedy of errors, not purely down to Phil. chicagoblue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 No excuse for sticking his leg out when he couldn't even see what he was doing. Both penalties were because of ridiculously rash decisions by him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubecula Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 The penalties were his problem but not his fault, they were defensive mistakes by the defense as a whole, and apart from them he played bloody well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 No excuse for sticking his leg out when he couldn't even see what he was doing. Both penalties were because of ridiculously rash decisions by him. He did pretty well though when sticking his foot out led to our goal, most would've conceded a corner in those circumstances . rubecula 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 Love Jags, and he played very well. But he also made two mistakes that could have been very costly. For that reason he needs to accept responsibility. Another day and that was two goals conceded. Romey 1878 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 That clip of him consoling Barkley shows he's not fit to be captain. He's limp. Its not just shouting at the ref, it's protecting your teammates. He's last man to a scene. That guy who stands with the girls when it all kicks off in the pub. That clip of him consoling Barkley show exactly why he is, and should continue to be, our captain. I guess you want a captain who doesn't give a shit about his team mates. That is not the traits of a leader. Romey 1878 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted October 18, 2016 Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 That clip of him consoling Barkley show exactly why he is, and should continue to be, our captain. I guess you want a captain who doesn't give a shit about his team mates. That is not the traits of a leader. 100% agree. One of Jags better moments. Romey 1878 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted October 18, 2016 Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 That clip of him consoling Barkley show exactly why he is, and should continue to be, our captain. I guess you want a captain who doesn't give a shit about his team mates. That is not the traits of a leader.He's weak. A soft their not booing you. He should be more vocal more direct. A bit of passion. Tell him to put his head up, yell at him or put his arm round him and have a word. Not a pat on the arse and a throw away one line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted October 18, 2016 Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 He's weak. A soft their not booing you. He should be more vocal more direct. A bit of passion. Tell him to put his head up, yell at him or put his arm round him and have a word. Not a pat on the arse and a throw away one line. For all we know he may have continued his chat with Barkley once they got in the changing room. The clip was only a few seconds long after all. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted October 18, 2016 Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 I hope people don't work for you Pete. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted October 18, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 Barkley should have been told to man up and prove the hecklers wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted October 18, 2016 Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 Can always remember a comment from Fergie. Some players need a pat on the back and telling how great they are, while others need the sponge bucket throwing at them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted October 18, 2016 Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 Telling someone to man up doesn't always work. Not every person or player falls into that category. Some people need a little more attention than others. The type of personality Barkley is, being told to man up would probably have a negative effect. He is more likely to start questioning his own position in the squad and whether other players think he is man enough to handle the pressure, rather than just manning up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted October 18, 2016 Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 Telling someone to man up doesn't always work. Not every person or player falls into that category. Some people need a little more attention than others. The type of personality Barkley is, being told to man up would probably have a negative effect. He is more likely to start questioning his own position in the squad and whether other players think he is man enough to handle the pressure, rather than just manning up.true, but he but 1 player. Even so, I prefer Jags "lead by example" approach and when it comes to hharassing refs, I'm proud that we follow the laws of the game on that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted October 18, 2016 Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 true, but he but 1 player. Even so, I prefer Jags "lead by example" approach and when it comes to hharassing refs, I'm proud that we follow the laws of the game on that one. i'm not encouraging him to be an ass to the refs, but to be more like Barry and voice your opinion more often when things go wrong. Otherwise the refs think you're fine with the officiating and they're doing a good job. "no news is good news". barry's on them letting them know when they've done wrong, so they know he's not happy and therefore they're going to be more careful to not continually have him at them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted October 18, 2016 Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 Makes me laugh the way people are saying Jagielka should have done this or that to Barkley when he trains with him every day and knows him closely yet they don't know him at all. Jagielka is obviously clueless and they know best though. Sound. MikeO, StevO and duncanmckenzieismagic 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted October 18, 2016 Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 Makes me laugh the way people are saying Jagielka should have done this or that to Barkley when he trains with him every day and knows him closely yet they don't know him at all. Jagielka is obviously clueless and they know best though. Sound. he was on saturday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted October 18, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 (edited) I was being a cock - apologies Edited October 25, 2016 by MC11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted November 2, 2016 Report Share Posted November 2, 2016 http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-charlie-austin-phil-jagielka-12114270 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted November 5, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2016 (edited) Torn to shreds by Costa Edited November 5, 2016 by MC11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smeghead1 Posted November 5, 2016 Report Share Posted November 5, 2016 Torn to shreds by Costa The whole defence was marking fresh air most of the time. To be fair their movement was as good as I've seen from any team this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted November 6, 2016 Report Share Posted November 6, 2016 Based on yesterday this should be his last season and we need fresh, young blood at the back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted November 16, 2016 Report Share Posted November 16, 2016 http://www.evertonfc.com/news/2016/11/15/milestone-cap-for-jags Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted November 20, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2016 Confirmed - past it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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