Matt Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 Don't want him to either. Doesn't deserve to go through a relegation. Let him go in the summer if he wants Elston Gunnn and StevO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlblue Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 Im surprised Moyes hasnt really pushed for him although knowing how he works i imagine it will be a TDD 11pm signing. Gibson going to Sunderland too wouldnt surspise me either, tbh im shocked Moyes didnt offer Osman some kind of contract too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaron Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 Im surprised Moyes hasnt really pushed for him although knowing how he works i imagine it will be a TDD 11pm signing. Gibson going to Sunderland too wouldnt surspise me either, tbh im shocked Moyes didnt offer Osman some kind of contract too. He did, Osman turned it down so I've heard. Speaking of Sunderland, they are apparently signing Lescott, Moyes has to be phoning these old players saying "We're getting the band back together" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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dlblue Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 He did, Osman turned it down so I've heard. Speaking of Sunderland, they are apparently signing Lescott, Moyes has to be phoning these old players saying "We're getting the band back together" Surprised Osman turned it down, ha yeh he probably is. Feel sorry for him a little bit, i dont think he's in the Job that was sold to him tbh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaron Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 (edited) Surprised Osman turned it down, ha yeh he probably is. Feel sorry for him a little bit, i dont think he's in the Job that was sold to him tbh. Didn't want to leave the north west area apparently, hence why he has turned out for a pub team near mine a few times with hibbo. Yeah, Moyes was defo told he would have a lot more money to spend, however that amount he does have will be more than when he started at Everton. I still think United broke him, he was a half decent manager when he left us ( I say half decent because the next season Shy Talks favourite person smashed through the glass ceiling Moyes seemed to think Everton had reached,) but he was certainly still good enough for bottom half / mid table Prem teams, since he left United he hasn't been anywhere near the same level. Edited January 23, 2017 by aaron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlblue Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 Didn't want to leave the north west area apparently, hence why he has turned out for a pub team near mine a few times with hibbo. Yeah, Moyes was defo told he would have a lot more money to spend, however that amount he does have will be more than when he started at Everton. I still think United broke him, he was a half decent manager when he left us ( I say half decent because the next season Shy Talks favourite person smashed through the glass ceiling Moyes seemed to think Everton had reached,) but he was certainly still good enough for bottom half / mid table Prem teams, since he left United he hasn't been anywhere near the same level. Different times now though, he has peanuts to spend in todays market. I think he should have jumped at the Celtic job when it was available, few easy years in the Scottish league, win some trophies etc and play in the Champs League. His worst move was going to Spain after UTD. I hope he keeps them up and i think Jagielka may offer some stability to Sunderlands defence, no longer good enough for us but he may be the difference between a loss and a point for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 Different times now though, he has peanuts to spend in todays market. I think he should have jumped at the Celtic job when it was available, few easy years in the Scottish league, win some trophies etc and play in the Champs League. His worst move was going to Spain after UTD. I hope he keeps them up and i think Jagielka may offer some stability to Sunderlands defence, no longer good enough for us but he may be the difference between a loss and a point for them. this for me. he ruined his career and reputation at Valencia, they were terrible and had some quality players. he should have never went there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 I feel very bad for him. Koeman basically told the press that he's leaving, which will have completely demoralized Jagielka. If he doesn't leave, he's going to believe (and play as if) he's surplus to requirements. That's no way to motivate a player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 I feel very bad for him. Koeman basically told the press that he's leaving, which will have completely demoralized Jagielka. If he doesn't leave, he's going to believe (and play as if) he's surplus to requirements. That's no way to motivate a player. he is surplus to requirements he sits on the bench and Holgate a 20 year old is chosen over him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlblue Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 this for me. he ruined his career and reputation at Valencia, they were terrible and had some quality players. he should have never went there. It was Real Sociedad, which made his decision to go even more strange for me. Anyway im sure a Jags/Moyes reunion would suit both parties at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 It was Real Sociedad, which made his decision to go even more strange for me. Anyway im sure a Jags/Moyes reunion would suit both parties at this point. yes sociedad my bad! Neville went to Valencia and tanked as well. He should have never went there, should have gone to Villa or Sunderland earlier. Oh well he's got more money than either of us will ever earn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 I feel very bad for him. Koeman basically told the press that he's leaving, which will have completely demoralized Jagielka. If he doesn't leave, he's going to believe (and play as if) he's surplus to requirements. That's no way to motivate a player. Something Koeman needs to work on in my opinion, thought it could be that I just see his approaches as to "extreme" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaron Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 I feel very bad for him. Koeman basically told the press that he's leaving, which will have completely demoralized Jagielka. If he doesn't leave, he's going to believe (and play as if) he's surplus to requirements. That's no way to motivate a player. It could work the exact opposite, Jags may see this as a challenge to show him (Koeman) he is good enough to stay, A "fuck you Koeman" if you will, its highly doubtful at 33 but I doubt Koeman would purposely destroy the captain of the clubs confidence, I see it more of a "get your arse in gear because right now you would be surplus to requirements, prove me otherwise" markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quinn31 Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 Didn't want to leave the north west area apparently, hence why he has turned out for a pub team near mine a few times with hibbo. Yeah, Moyes was defo told he would have a lot more money to spend, however that amount he does have will be more than when he started at Everton. I still think United broke him, he was a half decent manager when he left us ( I say half decent because the next season Shy Talks favourite person smashed through the glass ceiling Moyes seemed to think Everton had reached,) but he was certainly still good enough for bottom half / mid table Prem teams, since he left United he hasn't been anywhere near the same level. Moyes hasn't been very creative in his signings, but I think he's been given a tough hand. Sunderland are saddled with debt (unsure if its external, interest bearing debt or debt to Ellis Short) and Ellis Short is now trying to sell the club, so they aren't going to splash the cash. Had this been 3-4 years ago, he'd been given plenty of money for transfers like previous Sunderland managers, most of whom have squandered a lot of the money. Sunderland is a strange one. Everyone associated with the club describes a dysfunctional culture within the club that has almost come to expect struggling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c1982 Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 I feel very bad for him. Koeman basically told the press that he's leaving, which will have completely demoralized Jagielka. If he doesn't leave, he's going to believe (and play as if) he's surplus to requirements. That's no way to motivate a player. Koeman said that he will talk to any player that's not playing and discuss what's best for the future when asked about Jagielka. This seems very fair to me. I don't think Koeman will entertain this until we have a replacement anyway. markjazzbassist, StevO and Romey 1878 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shy_Talk Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 So Williams is currently leading the three man back line, if he was to get injured or suspended who steps in to lead the back line? Jagielka isn't going anywhere, unless something pretty amazing happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 Moyes hasn't been very creative in his signings, but I think he's been given a tough hand. Sunderland are saddled with debt (unsure if its external, interest bearing debt or debt to Ellis Short) and Ellis Short is now trying to sell the club, so they aren't going to splash the cash. Had this been 3-4 years ago, he'd been given plenty of money for transfers like previous Sunderland managers, most of whom have squandered a lot of the money. Sunderland is a strange one. Everyone associated with the club describes a dysfunctional culture within the club that has almost come to expect struggling. I think they spent around £30mil in the summer but no-one they have brought in has been any good, bar the loans. I am a bit surprised that they let Giacherinni go on loan as well. I'm surprised they haven't tried loaning more players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c1982 Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 (edited) So Williams is currently leading the three man back line, if he was to get injured or suspended who steps in to lead the back line? Jagielka isn't going anywhere, unless something pretty amazing happens. Exactly. I'd say Keane and van Dijk are the things that Koeman wants to happen but don't think either will be available until the summer. Edited January 23, 2017 by c1982 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 Koeman said that he will talk to any player that's not playing and discuss what's best for the future when asked about Jagielka. This seems very fair to me. I don't think Koeman will entertain this until we have a replacement anyway. It was more than that. He specifically stated that Jagielka and Deulofeu will likely be leaving. A stupid thing to say, in my opinion, because it demoralizes the player and reduces any potential transfer fee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 Expected to sign for Sunderland any day now according to the Daily Mail. (who were right about Lescott going there) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaron Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 It was more than that. He specifically stated that Jagielka and Deulofeu will likely be leaving. A stupid thing to say, in my opinion, because it demoralizes the player and reduces any potential transfer fee. He's 34, and hasn't played that great this season, and won nothing (before people reference Fonte's fee, he won the Euros in the summer) so you cant be expecting a big price for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 He's 34, and hasn't played that great this season, and won nothing (before people reference Fonte's fee, he won the Euros in the summer) so you cant be expecting a big price for him. Probably get around £3m for him. £5m max. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaron Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 Probably get around £3m for him. £5m max. I honestly cant even see £3m being paid tbh which is unfortunate as I've loved Jags throughout his time here. I hope he doesn't go till the summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlblue Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 Even a loan deal to get him off the wage bill would probably be a bonus. Great player for us, will be missed but time to move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 2 years difference between jags and Williams. We paid 5m for distin at a good age. £3m. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted January 25, 2017 Report Share Posted January 25, 2017 (edited) just don't sell him, nothing to be gained, plenty to be lost. Edited January 25, 2017 by StevO Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted January 25, 2017 Report Share Posted January 25, 2017 I wouldn't see the point in it unless we have someone else lined up. We need a 4th CB since we've been playing 3 at the back consistently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted January 25, 2017 Report Share Posted January 25, 2017 If he still has the hunger to be a first name on the sheet and is up for the challenge of a move - and we only want him as a backup then maybe its the right thing to do. Been a brilliant servant. But we need to ensure we have someone younger as a replacement Williams Holgate Mori not enough.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted January 25, 2017 Report Share Posted January 25, 2017 I wonder how those other star CB's we have are doing. Matty Foulds? Pennington? Browning (I fear he's not got what it takes so this is more rhetorical)? Connoly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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