Matt Posted June 4, 2019 Report Share Posted June 4, 2019 Gutted. Can only echo the praise from the previous posts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonsta Posted June 4, 2019 Report Share Posted June 4, 2019 We will miss a lot not just on the field, Thanks for everything jags. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted June 4, 2019 Report Share Posted June 4, 2019 I think he just hasn’t been offered a deal from reading his comments, I understand it but still a shame. It’s vital Baines stays now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted June 4, 2019 Report Share Posted June 4, 2019 call me whatever you want but other than being a nice guy and a professional he was nothing more than an above average defender. keane this year was already at his level or better for me. sad to see a nice guy and club servant go, but i won't miss him as a player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted June 4, 2019 Report Share Posted June 4, 2019 4 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said: call me whatever you want but other than being a nice guy and a professional he was nothing more than an above average defender. keane this year was already at his level or better for me. sad to see a nice guy and club servant go, but i won't miss him as a player. Agree with the first half, but don't think we've kicked on with Keane. Should never have been made captain and it was unprofessional at best for Moyes to declare him as club captain when the ginger fucker was not gonna be the one managing the team. Captain wise he was a step down from Neville. Player wise he's never been the best out of the two centre halves. Person wise he was probs the nicest but nice doesn't win you anything. Glad he's going because he's not good enough. Much like Tim Howard and Cahill, he's been comfortable picking up a wage here for longer than he should thanks to loyalty rather than ability. StevO, duncanmckenzieismagic, markjazzbassist and 3 others 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted June 4, 2019 Report Share Posted June 4, 2019 If ever a player deserves a heartfelt thank you from the club, it’s this man. Great professional, great servant to the club, Great man! All the best Jags, put your feet up son. Sibdane, Matt and StevO 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted June 4, 2019 Report Share Posted June 4, 2019 I think it’s the best move for both parties but I don’t agree with the average defender quote. And I don’t agree with the Cahill shout either. They both have earned the right to contribute. Whether that’s on the pitch or behind the scenes. Jags is one of the last of his type. Loyal to a club for 12 years and happy with his lot. plaidharper, Shukes, Sibdane and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post duncanmckenzieismagic Posted June 4, 2019 Popular Post Report Share Posted June 4, 2019 48 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said: call me whatever you want but other than being a nice guy and a professional he was nothing more than an above average defender. keane this year was already at his level or better for me. sad to see a nice guy and club servant go, but i won't miss him as a player. Not sure how long you’ve been supporting Everton but Jags in his prime was a hell of a lot more than an above average defender barryj, StevO, Vranny and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted June 4, 2019 Report Share Posted June 4, 2019 18 minutes ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said: Not sure how long you’ve been supporting Everton but Jags in his prime was a hell of a lot more than an above average defender yeah him and distin were real worldies, i remember the dread the minute we went up 1-0 in the 72nd minute every match knowing moyes was about to bring on Heitinga and we'd have to watch them 3 try and defend for our lives. I can't remember how many times they scored in the 90th minute and i was deflated. thank god those days are gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted June 4, 2019 Report Share Posted June 4, 2019 9 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said: yeah him and distin were real worldies, i remember the dread the minute we went up 1-0 in the 72nd minute every match knowing moyes was about to bring on Heitinga and we'd have to watch them 3 try and defend for our lives. I can't remember how many times they scored in the 90th minute and i was deflated. thank god those days are gone. Not long then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted June 4, 2019 Report Share Posted June 4, 2019 That goal against Liverpool though, worth every penny of his wages over twelve years. Best wishes whatever the future holds. Matt and badaids 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted June 4, 2019 Report Share Posted June 4, 2019 1 hour ago, Finn balor said: I think it’s the best move for both parties but I don’t agree with the average defender quote. And I don’t agree with the Cahill shout either. They both have earned the right to contribute. Whether that’s on the pitch or behind the scenes. Jags is one of the last of his type. Loyal to a club for 12 years and happy with his lot. Compare the points we get with him to without. Remember comparing him with Heitinga and Yobo and both come out better. Can't be bothered going through all the stats again so just looked at our best season with him 13/14, we averaged 1.69 points per game with him (26 matches) compared to 2.33 ppg in the 12 without him. Stones was just a teenager and was a level above. We should have aimed higher than Jagielka years ago (same as we should have tried to upgrade on Howard too). Cahill was brilliant in his day, but it was painful watching him play further back once his legs had gone a bit. StevO and duncanmckenzieismagic 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted June 4, 2019 Report Share Posted June 4, 2019 2 hours ago, markjazzbassist said: call me whatever you want but other than being a nice guy and a professional he was nothing more than an above average defender. keane this year was already at his level or better for me. sad to see a nice guy and club servant go, but i won't miss him as a player. Ever worked alongside someone with experience and knowledge that you don’t have? Ask an Arsenal fan what they would give for some above average defenders. Shukes and Matt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted June 4, 2019 Report Share Posted June 4, 2019 1 hour ago, markjazzbassist said: yeah him and distin were real worldies, i remember the dread the minute we went up 1-0 in the 72nd minute every match knowing moyes was about to bring on Heitinga and we'd have to watch them 3 try and defend for our lives. I can't remember how many times they scored in the 90th minute and i was deflated. thank god those days are gone. I’m pretty certain none of that happened, especially under Moyes as he had an exceptionally well drilled back line and didnt often switch to a back three. Moyes’s teams very rarely conceded late either. Distin’s last season was poor, but your opinion on Jags Just doesn’t make sense. I’ve watched this guy in the flesh for the last 12 years, I don’t see how any Evertonian doesn’t appreciate him. Matt and barryj 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted June 4, 2019 Report Share Posted June 4, 2019 1 hour ago, StevO said: I’m pretty certain none of that happened, especially under Moyes as he had an exceptionally well drilled back line and didnt often switch to a back three. Moyes’s teams very rarely conceded late either. Distin’s last season was poor, but your opinion on Jags Just doesn’t make sense. I’ve watched this guy in the flesh for the last 12 years, I don’t see how any Evertonian doesn’t appreciate him. You will always get some people trying to rewrite history , that back 4 of Coleman Jags Distin and Baines were superb and in Moyes last season had the 4th best defensive record in the Prem Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted June 4, 2019 Report Share Posted June 4, 2019 4 hours ago, pete0 said: Agree with the first half, but don't think we've kicked on with Keane. Should never have been made captain and it was unprofessional at best for Moyes to declare him as club captain when the ginger fucker was not gonna be the one managing the team. Captain wise he was a step down from Neville. Player wise he's never been the best out of the two centre halves. Person wise he was probs the nicest but nice doesn't win you anything. Glad he's going because he's not good enough. Much like Tim Howard and Cahill, he's been comfortable picking up a wage here for longer than he should thanks to loyalty rather than ability. Guess this is just you being you The fact you didn’t rate any of these 3 speaks volumes, I swear you wouldn’t recognise a good footballer if he kicked you in the bollocks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted June 5, 2019 Report Share Posted June 5, 2019 44 minutes ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said: Guess this is just you being you The fact you didn’t rate any of these 3 speaks volumes, I swear you wouldn’t recognise a good footballer if he kicked you in the bollocks Baines was the only one good enough, should've been second choice for England behind Cole. That said we should've replaced him a few years earlier. Moyes went stale and was royally found out since leaving us. Jags as a player is average and as a captain is poor. Pienaar had tons of ability but no brain to apply it, would've been great at 5 aside. Matt and duncanmckenzieismagic 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted June 5, 2019 Report Share Posted June 5, 2019 5 hours ago, StevO said: I’m pretty certain none of that happened, especially under Moyes as he had an exceptionally well drilled back line and didnt often switch to a back three. Moyes’s teams very rarely conceded late either. Distin’s last season was poor, but your opinion on Jags Just doesn’t make sense. I’ve watched this guy in the flesh for the last 12 years, I don’t see how any Evertonian doesn’t appreciate him. heitinga was played as a DM, it was not a back 3. dinosaur moyes would never do a progressive thing like a back 3, you kidding me! but he was brought on to essentially be another defender due to moyes defend the lead at all costs (who cares about scoring anyways!) mantra. i never said i didn't appreciate him, i just don't think he was as good as the rosy glasses look back in time people think he was. i started following everton when he was the bedrock back there with distin and baines and coleman (or hibbert). Baines was class all the way, i'll never dispute that, but jags and distin had a brainfart every match that was costly. jags was the faster of the too and the more composed so he could get away with it more, but when moyes threw on that sub right at the 70' mark without fail every match (wasn't always heiteinga as dm, but it was defensive if we were protecting a lead) i was dreading it. i hated that feeling. knowing they would probably bang one in while we defended for our lives. it's scarred me. you may think i'm a nut for loving the attacking football score 10-8 games, but i'll take that over those moyes defend and pray anytime. some heartbreakers back then. pete0 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Palfy Posted June 5, 2019 Popular Post Report Share Posted June 5, 2019 8 hours ago, markjazzbassist said: call me whatever you want but other than being a nice guy and a professional he was nothing more than an above average defender. keane this year was already at his level or better for me. sad to see a nice guy and club servant go, but i won't miss him as a player. Jags was in his day an excellent player when him and Lescott played together they were probably the best central defensive partnership in the league at that time, and Jags was the organiser in what was a very good defensive pairing. I can't believe that people only saw him at that time as a just above an average player he was much more than that. duncanmckenzieismagic, Matt, StevO and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted June 5, 2019 Report Share Posted June 5, 2019 44 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said: heitinga was played as a DM, it was not a back 3. dinosaur moyes would never do a progressive thing like a back 3, you kidding me! but he was brought on to essentially be another defender due to moyes defend the lead at all costs (who cares about scoring anyways!) mantra. i never said i didn't appreciate him, i just don't think he was as good as the rosy glasses look back in time people think he was. i started following everton when he was the bedrock back there with distin and baines and coleman (or hibbert). Baines was class all the way, i'll never dispute that, but jags and distin had a brainfart every match that was costly. jags was the faster of the too and the more composed so he could get away with it more, but when moyes threw on that sub right at the 70' mark without fail every match (wasn't always heiteinga as dm, but it was defensive if we were protecting a lead) i was dreading it. i hated that feeling. knowing they would probably bang one in while we defended for our lives. it's scarred me. you may think i'm a nut for loving the attacking football score 10-8 games, but i'll take that over those moyes defend and pray anytime. some heartbreakers back then. To me it sounds like you have been brought up on MLS brand of football were teams no Jack shit about defending and if there isn'tt as you said loads of goals it's shit and boring, I've seen games in this country that have been 0-0 yet have been riveting to watch because of the sheer brilliance of skill and ability on the pitch, which I understand is a hard concept for an American audience to understand. And Jags has been involved in games like that were some of the best strikers in the world have been shut out by the brilliance and determination of his play and it's been a pleasure to watch. Shukes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted June 5, 2019 Report Share Posted June 5, 2019 Wouldn’t be a TT thread without some short-sighted, dementia inspired nonsense... Shukes and plaidharper 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nogs Posted June 5, 2019 Report Share Posted June 5, 2019 12 hours ago, markjazzbassist said: call me whatever you want but other than being a nice guy and a professional he was nothing more than an above average defender. keane this year was already at his level or better for me. sad to see a nice guy and club servant go, but i won't miss him as a player. You either have a very short memory or don't understand what makes a top class defender. Jags had two attributes I don't think Keane has from what have seen - leadership and a bloody minded determination to stop the opposition scoring at all costs. He was never the quickest but would mix it physically with anyone and read the game fantastically. He made Lescott, who had much better natural attributes, look world class because of his organisational abilities. Like Lescott, Keane needs his hand holding. He has time to prove me wrong but I just don't see him replacing what Jags has given us over the years. StevO and Matt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nogs Posted June 5, 2019 Report Share Posted June 5, 2019 11 hours ago, markjazzbassist said: yeah him and distin were real worldies, i remember the dread the minute we went up 1-0 in the 72nd minute every match knowing moyes was about to bring on Heitinga and we'd have to watch them 3 try and defend for our lives. I can't remember how many times they scored in the 90th minute and i was deflated. thank god those days are gone. Because we don't concede late goals anymore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nogs Posted June 5, 2019 Report Share Posted June 5, 2019 3 hours ago, markjazzbassist said: Baines was class all the way, i'll never dispute that, but jags and distin had a brainfart every match that was costly. jags was the faster of the too and the more composed so he could get away with it more And sorry, not to look like I'm picking on you, but I can't let that go - Jags has never been especially quick, Distin was rapid, especially so for a 30-plus year old. StevO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted June 5, 2019 Report Share Posted June 5, 2019 Jags had Torres in his pocket when Torres was actually a quality player. duncanmckenzieismagic, Matt, StevO and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted June 5, 2019 Report Share Posted June 5, 2019 2 hours ago, Matt said: Wouldn’t be a TT thread without some short-sighted, dementia inspired nonsense... Bit condescending and insulting that mate! I know some very intelligent dementia sufferers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haiku Posted June 5, 2019 Report Share Posted June 5, 2019 1 hour ago, nogs said: He was never the quickest. Umm you're wrong. Jags was officially the quickest player in the Premier league in season 14-15 and by far the quickest player at Everton. DCL confirmed that. Shukes, markjazzbassist and Matt 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post barryj Posted June 5, 2019 Popular Post Report Share Posted June 5, 2019 Shocked at some of the views here! I thought he’d be universally applauded for all his efforts, commitment, charity work and loyalty. If we had the chance to resign him as a 24 year old I’d snap your hand off. Although he’d be worth a lot more now than the 4 million we paid. Bill Kenwright sums him up nicely as “one of Everton’s greatest servants” and a player who “embodies the spirit and values of the Blues” MikeO, Haiku, Matt and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted June 5, 2019 Report Share Posted June 5, 2019 1 hour ago, Shukes said: Bit condescending and insulting that mate! I know some very intelligent dementia sufferers! Couldn’t think of a better word, sorry! Short term or goldfish memories would be better I guess Shukes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted June 5, 2019 Report Share Posted June 5, 2019 24 minutes ago, Matt said: Couldn’t think of a better word, sorry! Short term or goldfish memories would be better I guess Just thought it was a bit insulting to dementia sufferers that’s all Edit: I am only joking MJB/PeteO. Everyone’s entitled to their own views.... however wrong you might be! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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