gethinO Posted November 20, 2016 Report Share Posted November 20, 2016 Confirmed - past it.Agreed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted November 21, 2016 Report Share Posted November 21, 2016 I wouldn't be pleased if I was Mori if I wasn't getting a game for a bit now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted November 21, 2016 Report Share Posted November 21, 2016 Horrible when a player loses it, we seen it happen to Distin a couple of years ago. Been a cracking servant has Phil so I want to see him get the respect he deserves. London Blue and Matt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted November 21, 2016 Report Share Posted November 21, 2016 Horrible when a player loses it, we seen it happen to Distin a couple of years ago. Been a cracking servant has Phil so I want to see him get the respect he deserves. Totally agree, I hope it doesn't turn ugly on him as he's been a good servant to the club. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted November 21, 2016 Report Share Posted November 21, 2016 Not his biggest fan but Mori has to play the next few games. Or maybe have a real go at a back three, not the half arsed display we saw at Chelsea. London Blue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted November 21, 2016 Report Share Posted November 21, 2016 Totally agree, I hope it doesn't turn ugly on him as he's been a good servant to the club. We've seen it before, unfortunately Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted November 21, 2016 Report Share Posted November 21, 2016 He will go in Jan, probably to Sunderland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted November 21, 2016 Report Share Posted November 21, 2016 He will be here till end of season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted November 21, 2016 Report Share Posted November 21, 2016 You can see the look of defeat on his face. It wasn't even a penalty on Saturday but he had resigned himself to it. I remember the last days of Gary Neville being similar where he just couldn't stop gifting goals/penalties/fouls. It wouldn't hurt to give Mori a run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted November 21, 2016 Report Share Posted November 21, 2016 You can see the look of defeat on his face. It wasn't even a penalty on Saturday but he had resigned himself to it. I remember the last days of Gary Neville being similar where he just couldn't stop gifting goals/penalties/fouls. It wouldn't hurt to give Mori a run. I dont think I've ever seen him contest a penalty. No bite about him, never has been. Not many in our squad have that bite. Williams is vocal, as is Coleman, but nobody wants to snap a player or get in the referees face. Its not always the best thing to do, but sometimes its necessary in football in order to get the team going (Phil Neville vs Ronaldo). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted November 21, 2016 Report Share Posted November 21, 2016 I dont think I've ever seen him contest a penalty. No bite about him, never has been. Not many in our squad have that bite. Williams is vocal, as is Coleman, but nobody wants to snap a player or get in the referees face. Its not always the best thing to do, but sometimes its necessary in football in order to get the team going (Phil Neville vs Ronaldo). Zero point in contesting a pen, once it's given it's given. Neville tackle on Ronaldo was a thing of beauty without a doubt but you can't compare the situations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted November 21, 2016 Report Share Posted November 21, 2016 I'm feeling a bit gutted for Jags, I felt he had a decent game for England against Spain last week, okay it was a friendly, but we are talking Spain and not Swansea. I think he is being unfairly singled out when in the last two games the whole defence has struggled due mainly to what's happening in front of them. In my opinion he still has a lot to offer in a organised team as he proved for England. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted November 22, 2016 Report Share Posted November 22, 2016 Was it really not a pen? I've not watched the game again (couldn't put myself through it) but it looked nailed on from where I was sitting tbh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted November 22, 2016 Report Share Posted November 22, 2016 It was a pen, Jags was poor throughout the game, there were a couple of occasions especially in the first half when he lost his man or was out of position. He has been a great servant to the club but he is no longer good enough for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue 250 Posted November 22, 2016 Report Share Posted November 22, 2016 100% penalty. Could still do a job if everything else was right around him, but like every player, younger fitter players with half Jag's football brain will be able to get the better of him some time during a match. Koeman can see the facts better than any one on here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted November 22, 2016 Report Share Posted November 22, 2016 The softest pen you'll ever see, I wasn't sure at the time and I'm still not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted November 22, 2016 Report Share Posted November 22, 2016 (edited) Zero point in contesting a pen, once it's given it's given. Neville tackle on Ronaldo was a thing of beauty without a doubt but you can't compare the situations. Zero point in claiming one, zero point in contesting a card or a foul? Its all about getting in the refs head!If jags would have gone mental about the first one against City, the second may not have been given. Edited November 22, 2016 by AidanLewis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted November 22, 2016 Report Share Posted November 22, 2016 I must say "the squeaky wheel gets all the oil".... put John Terry or Jags in the same scenario - they have left their leg out and caught the player who is likely to get off and why? Terry.... the ref knows he will go berserk and make it a talking point - unless he is brave he will try and avert the reaction. Human nature. We don't get points for dignity, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted November 22, 2016 Report Share Posted November 22, 2016 Sigurdson throws himself to floor as Jags is alongside him. To pulling, no kicking and no foul. There will be 100+ instances in the game where there was more contact and fouls weren't given, especially at corners and goal kicks. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted November 22, 2016 Report Share Posted November 22, 2016 It should never have been a pen regardless of what Jags did or didn't do because it was a blatant hand ball in the build up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcopaulo Posted November 24, 2016 Report Share Posted November 24, 2016 I must say "the squeaky wheel gets all the oil".... put John Terry or Jags in the same scenario - they have left their leg out and caught the player who is likely to get off and why? Terry.... the ref knows he will go berserk and make it a talking point - unless he is brave he will try and avert the reaction. Human nature. We don't get points for dignity, Never understood why people call it brave of a ref to give a decision..it's called competence not bravery MikeO and nutmegwolf203 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted November 24, 2016 Report Share Posted November 24, 2016 I for one prefer the dignity more than the mouthy. MikeO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted November 24, 2016 Report Share Posted November 24, 2016 Intimidating the ref can get you a red card after this seasons rule changes. Walking aggressively and shouting can get you a yellow. Players crowding can get them all booked too. MikeO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted November 24, 2016 Report Share Posted November 24, 2016 Intimidating the ref can get you a red card after this seasons rule changes. Walking aggressively and shouting can get you a yellow. Players crowding can get them all booked too.weve heard similar before, but hopefully this season it'll be enforced Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted November 24, 2016 Report Share Posted November 24, 2016 Did notice a couple of refs trying to enforce it at the beginning of the season, but seems to reverted back to how it used to be, although Rooney got a booking for over protesting the weekend. Lowensda 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted November 27, 2016 Report Share Posted November 27, 2016 http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/koeman-gives-jagielka-backing-warns-12234255 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted November 27, 2016 Report Share Posted November 27, 2016 (edited) He needs to be dropped, until he gets his mojo back he is a liability and spreads fear and uncertainty throughout the team. Edited November 27, 2016 by London Blue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted December 1, 2016 Report Share Posted December 1, 2016 http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/koeman-gives-jagielka-backing-warns-12234255 I have only just read this. That last paragraph is exactly what we are seeing. The team isn't pressing properly, the defense is dropping deeper and they have more space to play in. Koeman can clearly see it but is having problems getting his team to do what he wants them too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted December 3, 2016 Report Share Posted December 3, 2016 We always have a huge empty gap between theedge of our penalty area and the edge of the D of the centre circle, it's a massive void and we never seem to win any secondballs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 Out for the Derby (unless they contest it? I'm not well up on those rules or time frames) Can't say I'm too bothered, he has been a different player this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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