Shukes Posted August 10, 2018 Report Share Posted August 10, 2018 11 hours ago, patto said: Besic has stole a living off us for the last 3 years he's not going to get game time at Everton he's had a decent pre season and that's all I can't believe he refused to go to Boro he's obviously refused a bigger wage than he was already on the lads an idiot and just cost us 6m I just hope he goes out on loan. Wasn’t it the agent demanding more fees? And hadn’t Besic agreed personal terms and was ready to go. That’s what I read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted August 11, 2018 Report Share Posted August 11, 2018 9 hours ago, patto said: Oh sorry I thought he couldn't agree terms I'll just be happy for him to go on loan. Not 100% as its only rumours, could be either to be honest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted August 11, 2018 Report Share Posted August 11, 2018 On 10/08/2018 at 08:58, Matt said: Injuries and pigheaded managers haven’t helped his cause, I get that. But he’s more than just a tough player, he’s clever and has a very good passing range. I also think the loan deal to get him regular game time will have benefitted him immensely, I don’t remember him ever getting a prolonged run of games. I get that Matt, but if he had anywhere near the talent you and plenty of others think he has, then why has no one else tried to come in for him? It can’t just be that the only people who don’t rate him are football managers. No one from the premier league has tried to take him, even the likes of Cardiff could do with a bit of bite but didn’t go near him. Maybe he just isn’t very good and I was right as always haha EFC-Paul 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EFC-Paul Posted August 11, 2018 Report Share Posted August 11, 2018 4 hours ago, StevO said: I get that Matt, but if he had anywhere near the talent you and plenty of others think he has, then why has no one else tried to come in for him? It can’t just be that the only people who don’t rate him are football managers. No one from the premier league has tried to take him, even the likes of Cardiff could do with a bit of bite but didn’t go near him. Maybe he just isn’t very good and I was right as always haha Spot on this is how I see it Injuries haven't hampered three years here nor have pig headed manager's his ability isn'tt upto scratch its that simple I like the lad he seems a good professional etc but he's living off chasing after Messi in one game years ago, he's done nothing of any worth for us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted August 11, 2018 Report Share Posted August 11, 2018 17 minutes ago, EFC-Paul said: Spot on this is how I see it Injuries haven't hampered three years here nor have pig headed manager's his ability isn'ttt upto scratch its that simple I like the lad he seems a good professional etc but he's living off chasing after Messi in one game years ago, he's done nothing of any worth for us He was injured for the best part of two seasons and had successful loan spell to regain fitness. When he's played he's mostly got plaudits for his performances with a fair amount motm votes per game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EFC-Paul Posted August 11, 2018 Report Share Posted August 11, 2018 12 minutes ago, pete0 said: He was injured for the best part of two seasons and had successful loan spell to regain fitness. When he's played he's mostly got plaudits for his performances with a fair amount motm votes per game. He's made 37 appearances that's plenty to see the lad isn'ttt upto the standard we want but if you want to look at it from your point of view then the lads a crock As said multiple manager's have seen plenty of the lad (5/6) and he's never been given a decent run of games for a reason when he's been fit Plaudits? I've rarely bar on here heard anyone mention how well the lads played or that he's a good player bar the odd Boro game, I'd bet he's had less MOTM nominations than Williams!! He's 25 clearly isn'tttt in the current manager's plans nor was he in the previous five or six manager's has only two teams from the Championship after him yet he's good enough.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted August 11, 2018 Report Share Posted August 11, 2018 5 hours ago, StevO said: I get that Matt, but if he had anywhere near the talent you and plenty of others think he has, then why has no one else tried to come in for him? It can’t just be that the only people who don’t rate him are football managers. No one from the premier league has tried to take him, even the likes of Cardiff could do with a bit of bite but didn’t go near him. Maybe he just isn’t very good and I was right as always haha I don’t know to be honest. I’ve always said it’s a gut feeling and based on the short periods where he played. Plus, I’ve not had much reason to trust the majority of the last managers so... StevO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted August 11, 2018 Report Share Posted August 11, 2018 3 minutes ago, EFC-Paul said: He's made 37 appearances that's plenty to see the lad isn'ttt upto the standard we want but if you want to look at it from your point of view then the lads a crock As said multiple manager's have seen plenty of the lad (5/6) and he's never been given a decent run of games for a reason when he's been fit Plaudits? I've rarely bar on here heard anyone mention how well the lads played or that he's a good player, I'd bet he's had less MOTM nominations than Williams!! Across how many seasons? Crock? He's had three seperate injuries with the last one being his cruciate. Give him time. Plaudits? Done well enough at boro for them to make an offer and on here whenever he's played he's done more good than he has bad. Give him time to get fit and see what he's capable of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EFC-Paul Posted August 11, 2018 Report Share Posted August 11, 2018 6 minutes ago, pete0 said: Across how many seasons? Crock? He's had three seperate injuries with the last one being his cruciate. Give him time. Plaudits? Done well enough at boro for them to make an offer and on here whenever he's played he's done more good than he has bad. Give him time to get fit and see what he's capable of. Why does it matter how many seasons it's across appearances are appearances!? Crock yes if we use your logic that's the reason he hasn't played and not lack of ability, he's had three long term injuries as you mentioned so he's either a crock or not good enough, give him time? I'd say being with a club for three years plus is plenty The Championship! different kettle of fish different team different level, I could pull multiple name's out of my arse to say they've done ok at that level it doesn't mean they should be here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted August 11, 2018 Report Share Posted August 11, 2018 56 minutes ago, EFC-Paul said: Why does it matter how many seasons it's across appearances are appearances!? Crock yes if we use your logic that's the reason he hasn't played and not lack of ability, he's had three long term injuries as you mentioned so he's either a crock or not good enough, give him time? I'd say being with a club for three years plus is plenty The Championship! different kettle of fish different team different level, I could pull multiple name's out of my arse to say they've done ok at that level it doesn't mean they should be here Because most people would judge a player over a proper run of games. Rather than a sporadic number of games between injuries. Judge him when he's match fit. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EFC-Paul Posted August 11, 2018 Report Share Posted August 11, 2018 1 hour ago, pete0 said: Because most people would judge a player over a proper run of games. Rather than a sporadic number of games between injuries. Judge him when he's match fit. He's played he's been match fit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted August 12, 2018 Report Share Posted August 12, 2018 14 hours ago, EFC-Paul said: He's played he's been match fit Which means very little. Any player needs a full season to be judged Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EFC-Paul Posted August 12, 2018 Report Share Posted August 12, 2018 1 hour ago, Matt said: Which means very little. Any player needs a full season to be judged By who's measure? It doesn't take a full season Matt to see if a player is going to cut it or if they have the potential to improve We've had and so has this league loads of players who've never had anywhere near a full season and have been deemed not upto it so what makes Mo any different? Not bashing the lad I just don't see any reason for him to be here collecting a wage for doing nothing over three years for us regardless of injuries etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted August 13, 2018 Report Share Posted August 13, 2018 17 hours ago, EFC-Paul said: By who's measure? It doesn't take a full season Matt to see if a player is going to cut it or if they have the potential to improve We've had and so has this league loads of players who've never had anywhere near a full season and have been deemed not upto it so what makes Mo any different? Not bashing the lad I just don't see any reason for him to be here collecting a wage for doing nothing over three years for us regardless of injuries etc Disagree, you need players to have a full run, it’s essential pete0 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c1982 Posted August 13, 2018 Report Share Posted August 13, 2018 On 11/08/2018 at 18:02, pete0 said: Across how many seasons? Crock? He's had three seperate injuries with the last one being his cruciate. Give him time. Plaudits? Done well enough at boro for them to make an offer and on here whenever he's played he's done more good than he has bad. Give him time to get fit and see what he's capable of. Our coaches see him every day in training and clearly deem him not up to this standard. I’ve always liked him but if we have aspirations for the top 6 then I don’t see a player which is essential in Besic. He did look decent enough at Boro but there is an ever increasing gulf in class between Championship and Premier League on a week by week basis. StevO and EFC-Paul 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted August 20, 2018 Report Share Posted August 20, 2018 Boro have agreed a loan deal for him. markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted August 20, 2018 Report Share Posted August 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said: Boro have agreed a loan deal for him. good news, hope you do well mo and fire that agent and find one that will take a lower cut so you can be sold this summer lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted August 20, 2018 Report Share Posted August 20, 2018 It was only a matter of time, I think he will do well and so does Tony Pulis, could well be back in the premier next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted August 20, 2018 Report Share Posted August 20, 2018 3 hours ago, Bill said: It was only a matter of time, I think he will do well and so does Tony Pulis, could well be back in the premier next season. I hope so. I think he will be sold after this loan but I hope to see him in the Premier League next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted August 20, 2018 Report Share Posted August 20, 2018 He stood out for them last year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted August 23, 2018 Report Share Posted August 23, 2018 Signed for Boro on loan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted August 23, 2018 Report Share Posted August 23, 2018 Hope he thrives there. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted August 23, 2018 Report Share Posted August 23, 2018 great news, lets hope he does well and is sold in the offseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted August 23, 2018 Report Share Posted August 23, 2018 5 hours ago, markjazzbassist said: great news, lets hope he does well and is sold in the offseason. I'd rather he did superbly and then comes back and does it for us. Matt and pete0 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted August 23, 2018 Report Share Posted August 23, 2018 1 minute ago, MikeO said: I'd rather he did superbly and then comes back and does it for us. Its not going to happen Mike, let it go... markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted August 23, 2018 Report Share Posted August 23, 2018 4 minutes ago, Bailey said: Its not going to happen Mike, let it go... 98.3% probability you're correct (I worked it out on my abacus) but where there's life there's hope. Bailey and Matt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted August 24, 2018 Report Share Posted August 24, 2018 Gets an assist tonight to win the game for Boro, who are now top of the league. Could get back in the premier with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted August 25, 2018 Report Share Posted August 25, 2018 It was a long aimless punt up field from a freekick not exactly anything note worthy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted August 25, 2018 Report Share Posted August 25, 2018 3 hours ago, Bailey said: It was a long aimless punt up field from a freekick not exactly anything note worthy! If it led to a goal, how the assist happened is irrelevant. markjazzbassist and Aidan 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted August 25, 2018 Report Share Posted August 25, 2018 2 hours ago, Matt said: If it led to a goal, how the assist happened is irrelevant. Thanks for clearing that up for me... The fact that Bill took the time to post it on here made me expect a little bit more! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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