pete0 Posted September 1, 2015 Report Share Posted September 1, 2015 He sounds great on paper so far, I'm hoping he will be accustomed to the league by Christmas and eventually take Jags spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted September 1, 2015 Report Share Posted September 1, 2015 If that's true, it's on River Plate. Annoyed that we've got to cough up for their lack of communication though Actually, it's probably not. Apparently (from the same guy), we were a week into negotiations and applying for a permit, before we realised the clause. So to save face and get the deal done, we agreed to pay it. Not on RP at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted September 1, 2015 Report Share Posted September 1, 2015 Tony Barrett ✔@TonyBarretTimes 1. On Funes Mori. On top of the basic fee £5 million, Everton had to pay a tax of around 24%. According to sources close to the deal....... so basically, no one knows.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted September 1, 2015 Report Share Posted September 1, 2015 so basically, no one knows.... Someone can't do maths then? Reported fee of £5.5m is £1.37m tax = £6.87m total or if it's a reported fee of £6m is £1.5m tax = £7.5m total So where's the rest to make £9.5m? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted September 1, 2015 Report Share Posted September 1, 2015 Actually, it's probably not. Apparently (from the same guy), we were a week into negotiations and applying for a permit, before we realised the clause. So to save face and get the deal done, we agreed to pay it. Not on RP at all. How does that make it our fault? RP aren't going to hand us over his contract to browse through, so we'd only have found out about the (alleged) clause when they chose to disclose it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted September 1, 2015 Report Share Posted September 1, 2015 Someone can't do maths then? Reported fee of £5.5m is £1.37m tax = £6.87m total or if it's a reported fee of £6m is £1.5m tax = £7.5m total So where's the rest to make £9.5m? My point is that people are speculating and we just don't know. Simple as. What we do know is we got our backup CB of a good enough quality, based on his CV, to push Jags and Stones through the best years. It's something to celebrate, yet people are complaining. I'm just at a loss, and this is why I hate the transfer window. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted September 1, 2015 Report Share Posted September 1, 2015 How does that make it our fault? RP aren't going to hand us over his contract to browse through, so we'd only have found out about the (alleged) clause when they chose to disclose it. Would've thought the agent should've been mentioning that from the beginning.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted September 1, 2015 Report Share Posted September 1, 2015 How does that make it our fault? RP aren't going to hand us over his contract to browse through, so we'd only have found out about the (alleged) clause when they chose to disclose it. So you're saying that a club would be willing to buy a player and agree terms BEFORE seeing or at least understanding his contract? Don't be naive Mike. The buying club should know every detail before making an offer. I don't see how this isn't on Everton? Haf could probably do a fantastic analogy about buying a car on contract and signing it off before you read the conditions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted September 1, 2015 Report Share Posted September 1, 2015 Would've thought the agent should've been mentioning that from the beginning.... If anything, yes. Everton's job to find out the finer details of the player and his contract (whether that's through RP or his agent). It IS up to the buying club to find out the figures involved. chicagoblue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted September 1, 2015 Report Share Posted September 1, 2015 So you're saying that a club would be willing to buy a player and agree terms BEFORE seeing or at least understanding his contract? Don't be naive Mike. The buying club should know every detail before making an offer. I don't see how this isn't on Everton? Haf could probably do a fantastic analogy about buying a car on contract and signing it off before you read the conditions. Of the contract between the player and the club? Any employee contracts are usually confidential within a business, it should be RP / agent to highlight the specifics, not for us to go snooping through a confidential document of another employer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted September 1, 2015 Report Share Posted September 1, 2015 My point is that people are speculating and we just don't know. Simple as. What we do know is we got our backup CB of a good enough quality, based on his CV, to push Jags and Stones through the best years. It's something to celebrate, yet people are complaining. I'm just at a loss, and this is why I hate the transfer window. In fairness, I don't think it's the signing of Mori that's urked people, I think it's the mixed reports of fee's etc. The player will be welcomed whatever. But one day it's £5.5m for a backup Centre Back, now it's £9.5m and our most expensive defencive signing ever. MC11 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted September 1, 2015 Report Share Posted September 1, 2015 So you're saying that a club would be willing to buy a player and agree terms BEFORE seeing or at least understanding his contract? Don't be naive Mike. The buying club should know every detail before making an offer. I don't see how this isn't on Everton? Haf could probably do a fantastic analogy about buying a car on contract and signing it off before you read the conditions. You can only read the conditions if you have access to them. If I change jobs my new employer has no right to look at my contract of employment with my former one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted September 1, 2015 Report Share Posted September 1, 2015 Transfers with us are never straight-forward, let's just move on and hope Lennon isn't our only other signing. markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted September 1, 2015 Report Share Posted September 1, 2015 Of the contract between the player and the club? Any employee contracts are usually confidential within a business, it should be RP / agent to highlight the specifics, not for us to go snooping through a confidential document of another employer. We're not talking about 'standard employees' though are we? Multi million pound sporting industry where players are just commodities. A club willing to spend several million, you'd have thought, would have done their research. chicagoblue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted September 1, 2015 Report Share Posted September 1, 2015 In fairness, I don't think it's the signing of Mori that's urked people, I think it's the mixed reports of fee's etc. The player will be welcomed whatever. But one day it's £5.5m for a backup Centre Back, now it's £9.5m and our most expensive defencive signing ever. Which has been my bug bear all along. It's the fucking media! They make shit up based on guesses and people take it as fact then get pissed when the "facts" change and the club gets blamed?! :major overreaction alert: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted September 1, 2015 Report Share Posted September 1, 2015 No wonder he is smiling he's just become a millionaire over night. Sorry but we should not of let this happen. Why are we so shit at things like this!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted September 1, 2015 Report Share Posted September 1, 2015 Remindsme of kanchelskis transfer. Shaktar being arsey about sell on etc etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted September 1, 2015 Report Share Posted September 1, 2015 I will wait to rip the club asunder till we get the full details. I am ready and willing though if we truly made him out most expensive defense signing ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeQuince Posted September 1, 2015 Report Share Posted September 1, 2015 I will wait to rip the club asunder till we get the full details. I am ready and willing though if we truly made him out most expensive defense signing ever. I' sure you will personally make them rue the day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted September 1, 2015 Report Share Posted September 1, 2015 I' sure you will personally make them rue the day Lol I can see BK "Elstone what was the blowback likel RE " not had BK the fans are fine, one American on a forum getting rowdy but when have we cared about them! Hahah not like we have an American World Cup hero on our team, haha stupid yanks" BK " we do, Tim Howard the keeper" RE "right right I knew that" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted September 1, 2015 Report Share Posted September 1, 2015 Hey, at least it show's we have more money than people thought Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted September 1, 2015 Report Share Posted September 1, 2015 Hey, at least it show's we have more money than people thought Or it's swallowed up what little we had . I'm hoping you're right though! Lowensda and markjazzbassist 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elston Gunnn Posted September 1, 2015 Report Share Posted September 1, 2015 He sounds great on paper so far, I'm hoping he will be accustomed to the league by Christmas and eventually take Jags spot. Agree with "eventually." No way of knowing whether his future performance will justify the unexpectedly high fee. But he's young, coming into his best years, so I'll assume RM thinks he's found CB cover for now, and a competitor with Galloway to replace Jagielka 2-3 years on. As an Evertonian loyalist, Jagielka will be expected to help the young guys -- not just Stones, but Funes Mori, Galloway, Browning -- who might wind up being our CBs of the future. He'll be a willing teacher, they enthusiastic learners. Preferably they'll focus on his strengths, as they will want to learn not to mimic his occasional daft decisions. Funes Mori -- the name adds a little pizzazz to the team sheet. Not worth the extra £3m. Still. pete0 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted September 1, 2015 Report Share Posted September 1, 2015 Or it's swallowed up what little we had . I'm hoping you're right though! Stop killing my caffeine buzz!!! Its the best I've felt all day! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted September 1, 2015 Report Share Posted September 1, 2015 He only has to be a quarter as good as Stones to he worth it though doesn't he? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoof_It_Nev Posted September 1, 2015 Report Share Posted September 1, 2015 Surely any sell-on fee in his contract is an agreement between him and his former club? It's nothing to do with us. River Plate should state the fee they want for the player with that clause in mind. Doesn't make sense. Unless River Plate forgot about the clause until the last minute and basically said "the price has gone up, or else he's staying with us". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted September 1, 2015 Report Share Posted September 1, 2015 Surely any sell-on fee in his contract is an agreement between him and his former club? It's nothing to do with us. River Plate should state the fee they want for the player with that clause in mind. Doesn't make sense. Unless River Plate forgot about the clause until the last minute and basically said "the price has gone up, or else he's staying with us".thats what it sounds like to me. I think we stopped looking at anyone else because it was supposedly done and dusted. That's the only criticism I can aim at those in charge; too naive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted September 1, 2015 Report Share Posted September 1, 2015 Looking at the SSN ratings he actually looks a very good player. If his aerial ability is reported correctly we could at last have a danger man on corners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swarzy Posted September 1, 2015 Report Share Posted September 1, 2015 (edited) Wouldn't be surprised if this was wrapped up a couple of days ago but the club have kept the announcement until today, as an accuse to say they were working on this deal. Edited September 1, 2015 by Swarzy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted September 1, 2015 Report Share Posted September 1, 2015 Wouldn't be surprised if this was wrapped up a couple of days ago but the club have kept the announcement until today, as an accuse to say they were working on this deal. And chucked the FA a few dollars too to keep thier mouths shut about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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