MikeO Posted June 16, 2016 Report Share Posted June 16, 2016 Oh dear oh dear, as much as I feel for the girl and her family I am disgusted that the stay in brigade, on top of all their scaremongering are now using this unfortunate incident as emotional blackmail. It was just an "unfortunate incident"? Wow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted June 16, 2016 Report Share Posted June 16, 2016 (edited) As I said, not trying to guilt-trip anyone. This is not the official "remain" campaign trying to capitalize on the incident, just a group of people expressing heartfelt views. Why is it wrong to honour your murdered friend? Just to clarify, I wasn't aiming any comment at you, Mike, just the person who sent that email. If they had sent it in a week's time, it would still be distasteful; however, sending it while the dead lady's blood was still warm is just awful. For some, a tragedy is just too good an opportunity of which not to take political advantage. Shame on them. Edited June 17, 2016 by Cornish Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makis Posted June 17, 2016 Report Share Posted June 17, 2016 What exactly is wrong with that? Mentioning that she did this is hardly that big an issue. If it had been a brexiter how much drumming would there have been? Front pages would be full of it. Somehow I get the impression that brexiters are shitting themselves because they realise how bad this is for them. So this is just an attempt to shift blame. MikeO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holystove Posted June 17, 2016 Report Share Posted June 17, 2016 (edited) "Jo was passionately campaigning for Britain to stay in Europe". Oh dear oh dear, as much as I feel for the girl and her family I am disgusted that the stay in brigade, on top of all their scaremongering are now using this unfortunate incident as emotional blackmail. I have no time for anyone who can sink so low as to use somebody's death to try and get more votes. Shameful. I completely and utterly agree. It's disgusting that, literally hours after her death, some would use this incident to brand all 'out' voters as hateful and all 'in' voters as loving. We don't know the full story, but there's just no way this madman is representative of everyone choosing for vote for Brexit. Some people have no conscience. And here's the two of you.. while her blood is still warm.., going online to state that someone who yells Britain first and then kills someone who campaigns to remain in the EU, has nothing to do with the Leave camp out of fear that it might sway some doubters to vote remain. - I guess this shows the Leave camp did the best scaremongering, being able to frighten someone so much that he goes out and kills a person with an opposite point of view to his. Although, it was always going to be someone from the Leave camp.. Their main demographic are the uneducated .. and what would someone from the Remain camp shout before stabbing Farage in the face? "Unity!'? -- To clarify: not all who want to Leave are uneducated, old, neo-nazi's, fascists, xenophobes, .. but if you are, you're probably in the Leave camp. Edited June 17, 2016 by holystove MikeO and Matt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted June 17, 2016 Report Share Posted June 17, 2016 (edited) Mike, a lady was murdered I'd call that an unfortunate incident. Holy, if I was in the remain camp I would still be disgusted by that article, it's virtually a circular sent out to everybody looking for votes. Just hours after saying the campaign is suspended in respect for the woman and her family, They produce this propaganda leaflet. Anybody involved in producing that piece of shit should be hung drawn and quartered. Edited June 17, 2016 by Bill MC11 and Cornish Steve 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted June 17, 2016 Report Share Posted June 17, 2016 As I said, not trying to guilt-trip anyone. This is not the official "remain" campaign trying to capitalize on the incident, just a group of people expressing heartfelt views. Why is it wrong to honour your murdered friend? It's not coming across as honouring though. It's coming across as opportunistic, trying to capitalize on peoples shock. Plus, cold hearted as it may sound, this issue is much bigger than a person. Trying to sway people to vote in your direction based on a disgusting act of violence is just low. There's still a bit of time before the vote, you at least wait a few days and let the lady be buried before using her as a martyr for the cause. Cornish Steve 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted June 17, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2016 (edited) And here's the two of you.. while her blood is still warm.., going online to state that someone who yells Britain first and then kills someone who campaigns to remain in the EU, has nothing to do with the Leave camp out of fear that it might sway some doubters to vote remain. - I guess this shows the Leave camp did the best scaremongering, being able to frighten someone so much that he goes out and kills a person with an opposite point of view to his. Although, it was always going to be someone from the Leave camp.. Their main demographic are the uneducated .. and what would someone from the Remain camp shout before stabbing Farage in the face? "Unity!'? -- To clarify: not all who want to Leave are uneducated, old, neo-nazi's, fascists, xenophobes, .. but if you are, you're probably in the Leave camp. It hasnt even been confirmed if this person had any political sway at all never mind what he shouted. Rip Jo. Out of respect its best leaving this one alone for a bit. Edited June 17, 2016 by Hafnia Matt and MC11 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holystove Posted June 17, 2016 Report Share Posted June 17, 2016 https://www.facebook.com/notes/chris-emerson/why-ive-voted-to-remain-in-the-eu/10153790193179220 guy who wrote this sticks to the facts and doesn't try to make any predictions. Based on what he wrote you can still choose to Leave, but at least it'll be a better informed decision. It's reasonably long, but I would suggest reading through it all as it is very comprehensibly written. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted June 17, 2016 Report Share Posted June 17, 2016 I completely and utterly agree. It's disgusting that, literally hours after her death, some would use this incident to brand all 'out' voters as hateful and all 'in' voters as loving. We don't know the full story, but there's just no way this madman is representative of everyone choosing for vote for Brexit. Some people have no conscience. I do agree too, should be kept between the few. Not sure if this was public or kept to a select few...Hopefully a select few . This has really brought out the worst in our country. Britain's first have already aired a statement pointing out that they wouldn't in anyway support this kind if action. Rather than thinking about the poor lady's family and friends. I just cannot wait until the day this is finally all behind us. Cameron needs to resign for allowing this. I can't go to my local for a quiet drink without people arguing about it. TT is the most informative and balanced argument I have witnessed during this whole sorry episode. TT for government. I'm voting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted June 17, 2016 Report Share Posted June 17, 2016 I do agree too, should be kept between the few. Not sure if this was public or kept to a select few...Hopefully a select few . It was sent to members of Avaaz, which amounts to about 44,000,000 worldwide, one of which is me. They campaign on many issues. https://secure.avaaz.org/en/about.php So it was actually aimed at relatively few so maybe I shouldn't have posted it; apologies to anyone who feels that way or was offended by it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted June 17, 2016 Report Share Posted June 17, 2016 It was sent to members of Avaaz, which amounts to about 44,000,000 worldwide, one of which is me. They campaign on many issues. https://secure.avaaz.org/en/about.php So it was actually aimed at relatively few so maybe I shouldn't have posted it; apologies to anyone who feels that way or was offended by it. Its not you that needs to be apologizing mate Cornish Steve 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted June 17, 2016 Report Share Posted June 17, 2016 (edited) https://www.facebook.com/JonathanPieReporter/ The latest video is basically the guy speaking for me Edited June 17, 2016 by Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted June 17, 2016 Report Share Posted June 17, 2016 Well this speaks for me. StevO and Matt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holystove Posted June 17, 2016 Report Share Posted June 17, 2016 Just saw a map on tv which showed that the areas of the UK that receive the most funds from the EU and have the fewest amount of immigrants, have the highest percentage of people in favor of Brexit. Same with Trump voters, most of them would in reality be better of voting for Bernie Sanders. People are (unknowingly) voting against their best intrests because someone convinced them of abstract concepts like sovereignty and patriotism/nationalism. America first/Britain first instead of putting yourself first.. Shows the importance of educating the public which this last week before the vote should be about. MikeO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted June 17, 2016 Report Share Posted June 17, 2016 Just saw a map on tv which showed that the areas of the UK that receive the most funds from the EU and have the fewest amount of immigrants, have the highest percentage of people in favor of Brexit. Same with Trump voters, most of them would in reality be better of voting for Bernie Sanders. People are (unknowingly) voting against their best intrests because someone convinced them of abstract concepts like sovereignty and patriotism/nationalism. America first/Britain first instead of putting yourself first.. Shows the importance of educating the public which this last week before the vote should be about. For me that's why rags should be banned and the people running them hanged. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted June 17, 2016 Report Share Posted June 17, 2016 For me that's why rags should be banned and the people running them hanged. Harsh. But I'd vote for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted June 17, 2016 Report Share Posted June 17, 2016 Just saw a map on tv which showed that the areas of the UK that receive the most funds from the EU and have the fewest amount of immigrants, have the highest percentage of people in favor of Brexit. Same with Trump voters, most of them would in reality be better of voting for Bernie Sanders. People are (unknowingly) voting against their best intrests because someone convinced them of abstract concepts like sovereignty and patriotism/nationalism. America first/Britain first instead of putting yourself first.. Shows the importance of educating the public which this last week before the vote should be about. Don't underestimate the British voter. I shall never forget an incident on Question Time many years ago with the wonderful Robin Day. Member of the audience: "We shouldn't do this. The electorate are misinformed and need education." Sir Robin: "Can you see through the misinformation?" Member: "Yes, I can." Sir Robin: "Do you understand all the issues?" Member: "Yes, I do." Sir Robin: "So are you saying you're smarter than everyone else?" Embarrassed silence and a few laughs from the audience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted June 17, 2016 Report Share Posted June 17, 2016 Mike, a lady was murdered I'd call that an unfortunate incident. Missed this; for me it's an "unfortunate incident" if you stub your toe or maybe break a limb. Getting murdered on the street warrants a more serious description imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted June 18, 2016 Report Share Posted June 18, 2016 Oh Mike, I'm sorry if the context of my post didnt meet your standard, if in future you deem that my posts are in any way literally incorrect I give you my full permission to edit them. Didn't know you had added proof reading to your many talents. MC11 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted June 18, 2016 Report Share Posted June 18, 2016 Oh Mike, I'm sorry if the context of my post didnt meet your standard, if in future you deem that my posts are in any way literally incorrect I give you my full permission to edit them. Didn't know you had added proof reading to your many talents. Someone got out of bed on the wrong side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted June 18, 2016 Report Share Posted June 18, 2016 Not at all, just noticed lately that you seem to pick up on quite a few members posts. You usually claim "Devil's Advocate" but in a way your actually inferring that they have made a mistake or haven't worded the post to your satisfaction, and your reply is the correct one. I just find it so ridiculous that you appear to be doing it a lot more than you used to. Maybe your starting to believe you are better than everyone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted June 18, 2016 Report Share Posted June 18, 2016 Not at all, just noticed lately that you seem to pick up on quite a few members posts. You usually claim "Devil's Advocate" but in a way your actually inferring that they have made a mistake or haven't worded the post to your satisfaction, and your reply is the correct one. I just find it so ridiculous that you appear to be doing it a lot more than you used to. Maybe your starting to believe you are better than everyone else. I've always believed known that. I thought everyone did . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted June 19, 2016 Report Share Posted June 19, 2016 The "Britain First" shout has been debunked a couple of times. Multiple witnesses have come out stating that he did not shout it. The witness who claims he hears it is, apparently, a member of the BNP. What I find disgusting is that people are spinning misinformation and trying to make political capital out of this tragic event. Spin it around. So people who didn't hear it are saying it couldn't have happened? I didn't hear it either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holystove Posted June 19, 2016 Report Share Posted June 19, 2016 Sorry but what are the arguments? Preferably ones that have nothing to do with sentiment? Of course it's a valid reason as any, but not really an argument. - Boris Johnson wants you to vote Leave so we won't see Jean-Claude Juncker sipping Champagne on Thursday ... :crying smiley: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makis Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 (edited) This explains a lot. https://twitter.com/DaveKeating/status/744235880605319168 Edited June 20, 2016 by Makis Matt and holystove 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chach Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 (edited) That Avaaz tribute didn't read any more than "continue her work" a typical obituary for people who are passionate, fighting for other people rights and in public life, particularly those who have died before their time at the hands of an ideological nutcase A far cry from this: Edited June 20, 2016 by Chach holystove 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 holystove 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnh Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 Just to balance that, have a look on Youtube for 'Jeremy Paxman in Brussels - who really rules us.' He also finds that the EU spends 2 million euro's EVERY month moving the beaurocrats and their paperwork from Brussels to Strasbourg - for 4 days, (and back). He also claims that since the inception of the EU the costs of this move exceed 2 billion euro's and it achieves nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 Remain odds have gone from 1/2 to 1/4 in the last couple of days; hope the bookies are getting it right this time (Trump odds on the wane as well; so hopefully the possibility of the two scenarios that I dread are receding). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 Only a couple more days i am excited to see the outcome of all this after following this thread. Since i'm 6 hours (or so) behind I'm hoping before i leave work at the end of the day they'll have the votes tallied. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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