Shukes Posted April 18, 2022 Report Share Posted April 18, 2022 3 hours ago, Palfy said: I think Simms has qualities in his game that we have never seen in Dom’s game, but I can’t discuss with someone who lately is using the argument that Frank is a clever guy and I trust Frank, like you hang on every word and decision he makes, for me that’s a cop out. If I was the manager of any team and DCL was playing as he is now, and Simms as he is I know who I’d want right now in the team, and that would be Simms, and you know what I bet Lampard must feel the same way, but that’s in hindsight and everything is easier to see in hindsight, but by god I bet he wasn’t expecting to a DCL like he’s got, and for that matter even a Dele like we’ve got, good managers fuck up occasionally without doubt and only Lambs follow them without questioning them, well it is Easter please don’t eat to much chocolate mate it will make you sick I don’t mate, I just use the same as others do on here and bark back a bit when it seems because Dom isn’t scoring goals he just constantly gets slated on every thread. Gomes had a bad game…. Dom had worse! Seamus isn’t the same player…. Cares more than Dom though! Simms scores a goal for Hearts in the Scottish league, wish we had him rather than Dom The reason I comment about the manager knowing more than us is that he likely does. He watches these players train, talks to them, and knows what makes them tick. Im gonna go and have a chilled red mate! I’ll say cheers to you buddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted April 18, 2022 Report Share Posted April 18, 2022 6 minutes ago, Shukes said: Now that’s something I would like to see. Agree, they are probably a good foil for each other. I seem to remember I suggested this earlier in the season, but everyone at that point was writing off Simms. I guess he had to prove himself enough to warrant such an idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted April 18, 2022 Report Share Posted April 18, 2022 38 minutes ago, Hafnia said: he’s hit that pure. No spin at all on the ball and for a keeper to get a full extended diving arm on it, it’s not getting saved unless the keeper is seriously strong. The only way that’s getting saved is if the keeper is in the way with arms in front. Fuck me, the need to protect dcl is strong in here isn’t it? take dcl out the equation….. this lad can hit a football. Trust me. If that was haarland who hit that the reaction would be far different. It’s not the projection of Dom Haf. You know full well it’s people offering g a defence to him after he has been brought up in another players AGAIN. If people don’t want to discuss him, then simply don’t bring his name up in threads that aren’t his I don’t think anyone is playing Simms strike down either. Everyone has commented on it being a great strike. But if you look up the other five he has hit similar… your just not going to find them, they didn’t happen. Which is why people are saying they don’t think he is quite ready to be Doms replacement yet. Simms is doing well over there, but is still only on 3 goals. It’s not like he smashing them in. He has scored the same amount as a very off form Dom has. Cant we just be happy with have a young lad doing well at his loan for once haha. StevO and Matt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted April 18, 2022 Report Share Posted April 18, 2022 12 minutes ago, Cornish Steve said: I seem to remember I suggested this earlier in the season, but everyone at that point was writing off Simms. I guess he had to prove himself enough to warrant such an idea. I think he needed a few loans out. At Blackpool he had a stop start loan. Was in and out regularly and never seemed to get going. It’s taken time at Hearts to with him being on the bench for the most part. I’m hoping his last couple of appearances give him an extended run now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted April 18, 2022 Report Share Posted April 18, 2022 44 minutes ago, Shukes said: I don’t mate, I just use the same as others do on here and bark back a bit when it seems because Dom isn’t scoring goals he just constantly gets slated on every thread. Gomes had a bad game…. Dom had worse! Seamus isn’t the same player…. Cares more than Dom though! Simms scores a goal for Hearts in the Scottish league, wish we had him rather than Dom The reason I comment about the manager knowing more than us is that he likely does. He watches these players train, talks to them, and knows what makes them tick. Im gonna go and have a chilled red mate! I’ll say cheers to you buddy Shukes….. why do you keep saying people are going mad cos dom isn’t scoring? im personally not arsed that he’s not scoring. I’m arsed that he’s not trying and I’m the last 2 games he had the lowest output of any outfield player on the pitch. he’s been an absolute disgrace. Watch any fanzine review where they discuss specific passages of play and you will understand why he’s getting pelters. his head is not in the game at all. From where I’m at, if simms was in our squad I would play him, I would play literally anyone over dom at the moment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted April 18, 2022 Report Share Posted April 18, 2022 18 minutes ago, Hafnia said: Shukes….. why do you keep saying people are going mad cos dom isn’t scoring? im personally not arsed that he’s not scoring. I’m arsed that he’s not trying and I’m the last 2 games he had the lowest output of any outfield player on the pitch. he’s been an absolute disgrace. Watch any fanzine review where they discuss specific passages of play and you will understand why he’s getting pelters. his head is not in the game at all. From where I’m at, if simms was in our squad I would play him, I would play literally anyone over dom at the moment I don’t mate. Think I’ve mentioned it a couple of time at most. What I have mentioned is that he came of last match shattered as he was working. I also mentioned that he was winning headers against one of the best defensive headers in the premier league. You can argue as much as you like that he doesn’t care, but how do you know that? He is saying the exact opposite! He is on the pitch trying, but it’s not working. Did you see him on his own battling against Utd and getting battered? I was there and watched it. I was there when he was double marked for a throw in and lost the ball, and heard the fans sigh. I was also there when the same happened to Richie, and the fans reacted completely different. I was there in the first twenty minutes when Utd ran down our right wing and created chances…. Because it was so easy as Gordon wasn’t even bothering to jog back, but Gordon gets a pass because he works so hard. I watched Dom dispossess their attack on the edge of our penalty area and get fouled…. And waiting for the cheer…. But Dom is the latest scapegoat, so the cheer didn’t come. My only issue Haf, is that I don’t think we look subjectively enough. I think 50% fans in stadiums are sheep and will follow that loud guys opinion. I even said myself that Dom didn’t have a good game against Utd, but I at least recognised he was trying. Yet still his name needs to be brought up in every thread. You’ll notice something from me Haf….. if he isn’t mentioned in others threads…. I don’t mention his name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted April 18, 2022 Report Share Posted April 18, 2022 This is all my fault for mentioning DCL. I apologise. plaidharper, Shukes and Bailey 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted April 18, 2022 Report Share Posted April 18, 2022 17 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said: This is all my fault for mentioning DCL. I apologise. Bloody hell Romey, you just started it all again! To be fair it’s not your fault, Dom would have mentioned it if not you, only he wouldn’t have done it so well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted April 18, 2022 Report Share Posted April 18, 2022 31 minutes ago, Shukes said: I don’t mate. Think I’ve mentioned it a couple of time at most. What I have mentioned is that he came of last match shattered as he was working. I also mentioned that he was winning headers against one of the best defensive headers in the premier league. You can argue as much as you like that he doesn’t care, but how do you know that? He is saying the exact opposite! He is on the pitch trying, but it’s not working. Did you see him on his own battling against Utd and getting battered? I was there and watched it. I was there when he was double marked for a throw in and lost the ball, and heard the fans sigh. I was also there when the same happened to Richie, and the fans reacted completely different. I was there in the first twenty minutes when Utd ran down our right wing and created chances…. Because it was so easy as Gordon wasn’t even bothering to jog back, but Gordon gets a pass because he works so hard. I watched Dom dispossess their attack on the edge of our penalty area and get fouled…. And waiting for the cheer…. But Dom is the latest scapegoat, so the cheer didn’t come. My only issue Haf, is that I don’t think we look subjectively enough. I think 50% fans in stadiums are sheep and will follow that loud guys opinion. I even said myself that Dom didn’t have a good game against Utd, but I at least recognised he was trying. Yet still his name needs to be brought up in every thread. You’ll notice something from me Haf….. if he isn’t mentioned in others threads…. I don’t mention his name. He wasn’t working in the last match. He really wasn’t. The numbers back that up. not sure why he wasn’t working but I’m not the only person on the planet to think this. Palfy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted April 18, 2022 Report Share Posted April 18, 2022 Stats are important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted April 18, 2022 Report Share Posted April 18, 2022 4 hours ago, Hafnia said: you say “you don’t know that” Like keepers in the prem keep those efforts out all the time. No keeper is getting to that and if they do it’s save of the season. I say you don’t know that because you actually don’t know that. It’s nice to say “no keeper in the world is saving that” but you just don’t know. That’s why I say it. You actually do not know that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted April 18, 2022 Report Share Posted April 18, 2022 1 hour ago, Romey 1878 said: This is all my fault for mentioning DCL. I apologise. I read this weekend that Chelsea are willing to sell Lukaku. Might be worth a punt. Shukes and StevO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted April 18, 2022 Author Report Share Posted April 18, 2022 1 hour ago, Shukes said: Stats are important. 47% of people agree with that, 52% don't, and the other 2% can't count. AlbanyNYToffee, Shukes, Romey 1878 and 1 other 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted April 18, 2022 Report Share Posted April 18, 2022 5 minutes ago, MikeO said: 47% of people agree with that, 52% don't, and the other 2% can't count. According to Shukes I can’t count so I must be part of the other 2% Shukes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted April 18, 2022 Report Share Posted April 18, 2022 3 hours ago, Shukes said: I don’t mate, I just use the same as others do on here and bark back a bit when it seems because Dom isn’t scoring goals he just constantly gets slated on every thread. Gomes had a bad game…. Dom had worse! Seamus isn’t the same player…. Cares more than Dom though! Simms scores a goal for Hearts in the Scottish league, wish we had him rather than Dom The reason I comment about the manager knowing more than us is that he likely does. He watches these players train, talks to them, and knows what makes them tick. Im gonna go and have a chilled red mate! I’ll say cheers to you buddy Shukes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted April 18, 2022 Report Share Posted April 18, 2022 7 hours ago, Zoo 2.0 said: Really ? It would be a good save if he would have kept it out no doubt, but he's hit it from distance and the goalkeeper has a clear view of it. You'd expect goalkeepers in the elite bracket to deal with that, you wouldn't see that goal scored in the latter stages of the Champions League for example. I'll be honest in this discussion I'm straight down the middle. It's a fantastic strike no doubt, and the power he achieves on the ball is quite stunning but whilst I do believe that to be the case I don't think it's the goal of the season strike that some are painting it as, he wouldn't get that much time or space in the Premier League and it's my opinion that Premier League goalkeepers of a good standard (i.e. - playing for the European teams) would be able to deal with that. In terms of the overall development of Simms, it's only a good thing that he's doing well with Hearts (and has done well with Blackpool). It seems like we might have a decent striker on our hands, who probably isn't ready to fill the gap that DCL would leave should he depart, but could certainly get there. I agree with this. The biggest part that seems to be mostly overlooked which you have touched on is the time and space element. How often do you get the time and space he gets for that goal in the Premier League? Lots of lads who score for fun in the younger age groups can do put the ball in the back of the net when they are under very little pressure. Watch Gordon in the training videos and he finishes for fun. Get him on the pitch and he doesn't. I do think its a great strike and it would pose a lot of problems for even the best keepers but I dont see him even getting the shot off in the Prem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted April 18, 2022 Report Share Posted April 18, 2022 43 minutes ago, Bailey said: I agree with this. The biggest part that seems to be mostly overlooked which you have touched on is the time and space element. How often do you get the time and space he gets for that goal in the Premier League? Lots of lads who score for fun in the younger age groups can do put the ball in the back of the net when they are under very little pressure. Watch Gordon in the training videos and he finishes for fun. Get him on the pitch and he doesn't. I do think its a great strike and it would pose a lot of problems for even the best keepers but I dont see him even getting the shot off in the Prem. But we aren’t talking about if/how he got the space. We are talking about the quality and accuracy of the strike. he clearly wouldn’t get that space in the prem, but the fact is the lad strikes the ball with a natural flow similar to yakubu, Jimmy floyd, shearer. to generate that quality of strike on the run is outstanding, most players only tend to get that power running on to a ball coming towards them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwlad all over Posted April 18, 2022 Report Share Posted April 18, 2022 Simms is 20. I think we will need the youngsters in, especially if the unthinkable happens. Several of them have the talent and desire to succeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted April 18, 2022 Report Share Posted April 18, 2022 Just thought I would have a look on a Hearts forum to see what they thought of him. They seem to like his work rate and he can dominate a back line but his first touch, decision making and finishing are poor. Quite ironic really. https://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/index.php?/topic/196124-ellis-simms/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted April 19, 2022 Report Share Posted April 19, 2022 If he can run more than 1km a match, jump for a header when the ball is within 30 yards of him and generally stick his back into a centre half he would improve us as it stands. Palfy and RPG 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted April 19, 2022 Report Share Posted April 19, 2022 duncanmckenzieismagic and Shukes 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted April 21, 2022 Report Share Posted April 21, 2022 https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/hearts-boss-robbie-neilson-on-ellis-simms-extension-and-stephen-kingsley-and-andy-halliday-injuries-3663474 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwlad all over Posted April 21, 2022 Report Share Posted April 21, 2022 We are all looking at a mas clear out in the summer and if we go down we will need him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUnderToff Posted April 25, 2022 Report Share Posted April 25, 2022 Scored another, 7 in 16 for loan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted April 25, 2022 Report Share Posted April 25, 2022 He’s certainly asking the right questions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Romey 1878 Posted April 25, 2022 Popular Post Report Share Posted April 25, 2022 15 minutes ago, Shukes said: He’s certainly asking the right questions. Another one getting distracted by things outside of football then. Needs to just concentrate on playing, not asking questions. Shukes, plaidharper, StevO and 3 others 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPG Posted April 26, 2022 Report Share Posted April 26, 2022 6 hours ago, Romey 1878 said: Another one getting distracted by things outside of football then. Needs to just concentrate on playing, not asking questions. Have I missed something? What is Simms distracted by please? Is he getting paid to ask questions outside of football or is he contractually obliged to ask non football questions in a certain way at a certain time? Are the questions he is asking not directly related to his football career? plaidharper, Shukes and Bailey 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted April 26, 2022 Report Share Posted April 26, 2022 3 hours ago, RPG said: Have I missed something? What is Simms distracted by please? Is he getting paid to ask questions outside of football or is he contractually obliged to ask non football questions in a certain way at a certain time? Are the questions he is asking not directly related to his football career? I hope this isn't a serious post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPG Posted April 26, 2022 Report Share Posted April 26, 2022 2 hours ago, Romey 1878 said: I hope this isn't a serious post. It was a tongue in cheek riposte, given in exactly the same vein as the post which invited such a response. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted April 26, 2022 Report Share Posted April 26, 2022 1 hour ago, RPG said: It was a tongue in cheek riposte, given in exactly the same vein as the post which invited such a response. Thank god for that. I was worried this season had another casualty and you hadn't realised I was just taking the piss. You just never know. RPG 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUnderToff Posted May 8, 2022 Report Share Posted May 8, 2022 Scored against Celtic. Quality finish in the box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted May 9, 2022 Report Share Posted May 9, 2022 Could he be the natural finisher we’ve missed this season, when he pulls the the trigger it hits the target with accuracy and power. Frank loves nothing better than working with and improving youngsters who have shown that they possess the natural ability, I really hope he gets some decent opportunities next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuffRob Posted May 9, 2022 Report Share Posted May 9, 2022 Ellis Simms seem to have consistently managed a game to goal ratio of around 1 in 3, so not bad going for a 19 to 21 year old in senior football, especially given new club environment adjustment periods. We need to hope is that with the experience and maturity he should have gained playing with senior players in a competitive environment he will be able to step up the next level and get in to Everton's senior squad next season. It would be great to see a young player like Ellis develop under the new coaching regime at the club over the next couple of seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted May 21, 2022 Report Share Posted May 21, 2022 Commentary on the first half of today's Scottish Cup final: "I think Ellis Simms has been the man of the match so far. He's been a focal point for Hearts." Heath 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted May 29, 2022 Report Share Posted May 29, 2022 https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfer-news/ellis-simms-handed-rangers-transfer-27091222 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted May 29, 2022 Report Share Posted May 29, 2022 1 hour ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said: https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfer-news/ellis-simms-handed-rangers-transfer-27091222 That would be a great move for him, and us, as he'll be in a pressurised environment with them challenging for the league and also playing European football. Bailey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuffRob Posted May 29, 2022 Report Share Posted May 29, 2022 we sounds like Rangers interested in purchasing him - well they have set the bar for the 'value' of young promising players in January for a right back - using that as a yard stick then what would they be looking to pay for a goal scorer? Almost a shame we got Patterson in January and not going for him now -Ellis as part of the deal may have good him a couple of million cheaper. Anyway, I think we can say loan was a success. I wouldn't mind seeing what he could do around the first team for 6month with Lampard et al. At least if he went on load again in January - he would have a better understanding of the 'new Everton' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwlad all over Posted May 29, 2022 Report Share Posted May 29, 2022 1 hour ago, RuffRob said: we sounds like Rangers interested in purchasing him - well they have set the bar for the 'value' of young promising players in January for a right back - using that as a yard stick then what would they be looking to pay for a goal scorer? Almost a shame we got Patterson in January and not going for him now -Ellis as part of the deal may have good him a couple of million cheaper. Anyway, I think we can say loan was a success. I wouldn't mind seeing what he could do around the first team for 6month with Lampard et al. At least if he went on load again in January - he would have a better understanding of the 'new Everton' I like that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted June 19, 2022 Report Share Posted June 19, 2022 https://www.toffeeweb.com/season/21-22/comment/editorial/42281.html I thought this was quite a good review of Simms development and I also agree with the conclusion. Whilst I don't necessarily see a Premier League quality footballer in the bits I have seen of him, if he is going to make it at this level, I think has more chance of doing it on loan at a decent club in the Championship than lingering around our bench getting a few minutes every 2 or 3 weeks. Romey 1878 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted June 19, 2022 Report Share Posted June 19, 2022 I would give him his opportunity as back up to DCL instead of Rondon or buying another bench striker that we don’t have the funds for any way, he’s had some decent loans already and scored where ever he’s been, maybe not prolifically but still gave a good return. Most importantly he is natural finisher and has scored some cracking goals that’s the hardest thing to try and teach how to finish, he may lack some positional sense but with some good coaching and being In and around the first team it can only benefit him. Cornish Steve, Matt and Sibdane 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPG Posted June 20, 2022 Report Share Posted June 20, 2022 11 hours ago, Palfy said: I would give him his opportunity as back up to DCL instead of Rondon or buying another bench striker that we don’t have the funds for any way, he’s had some decent loans already and scored where ever he’s been, maybe not prolifically but still gave a good return. Most importantly he is natural finisher and has scored some cracking goals that’s the hardest thing to try and teach how to finish, he may lack some positional sense but with some good coaching and being In and around the first team it can only benefit him. I tend to agree. He is at an age where any further development requires time on the pitch in a high quality league. That has to be the Premier League for me so I would hope we can look at options depending on who we are playing and how the game is going. He could come on as a a sub for DCL if the game is safe, he could start in Cup games or we could play him and DCL together. Then as he, hopefully, adapts to the Premier League he can become a stand alone striker. In short, I think it's sink or swim time for him. Cornish Steve 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuffRob Posted July 26, 2022 Report Share Posted July 26, 2022 https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/sport/20580350.sunderland-ellis-simms-agrees-join-black-cats-everton/ Romey 1878 and Btay 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post duncanmckenzieismagic Posted July 29, 2022 Popular Post Report Share Posted July 29, 2022 Surely if we are letting Simms go out on loan we are confident of bringing at least one striker in? Romey 1878, Matt, London Blue and 2 others 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoo 2.0 Posted July 29, 2022 Report Share Posted July 29, 2022 1 hour ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said: Surely if we are letting Simms go out on loan we are confident of bringing at least one striker in? Probably not, I think the board will be happy to see us head into the season with DCL and Rondon, regardless of how poor the latter is and how hot and cold Dominic can be. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted July 29, 2022 Report Share Posted July 29, 2022 1 hour ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said: Surely if we are letting Simms go out on loan we are confident of bringing at least one striker in? Who knows, I really thought he would get a chance as back up to DCL this season, he went with the team to the state’s, yet hasn't had a minute in any of the friendlies and is now off on loan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted July 29, 2022 Report Share Posted July 29, 2022 20 minutes ago, Palfy said: Who knows, I really thought he would get a chance as back up to DCL this season, he went with the team to the state’s, yet hasn't had a minute in any of the friendlies and is now off on loan. Not a good sign, is it? Doesn’t sound like Frank or other coaches rated him enough going into the preseason matches to give him minutes over Rondon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted July 29, 2022 Report Share Posted July 29, 2022 2 hours ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said: Surely if we are letting Simms go out on loan we are confident of bringing at least one striker in? You do know this is an Everton forum, right? StevO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpartyBlue Posted July 29, 2022 Report Share Posted July 29, 2022 2 hours ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said: Surely if we are letting Simms go out on loan we are confident of bringing at least one striker in? Possibly but it could also just be that in a pinch Frank is alright playing Gordon, Gray, Dele, whoever you top if it came to that. Backup striker is important but less so then a central defender, midfielders etc.. so maybe it’s just a budget thing and/or down the list of priorities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted July 29, 2022 Report Share Posted July 29, 2022 At least this will be a proper test for him. If he can hold down a place and score goals at Championship level then he has a good chance of stepping up into the Premier League. London Blue and SpartyBlue 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted July 31, 2022 Report Share Posted July 31, 2022 Sunderland are on the TV against Coventry today if anyone wants to have a look at him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted July 31, 2022 Report Share Posted July 31, 2022 34 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said: Sunderland are on the TV against Coventry today if anyone wants to have a look at him. He starts on the bench. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted August 1, 2022 Report Share Posted August 1, 2022 On 31/07/2022 at 05:43, Romey 1878 said: He starts on the bench. Did he get any minutes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted August 1, 2022 Report Share Posted August 1, 2022 47 minutes ago, Sibdane said: Did he get any minutes? Nope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fosse Captain Posted August 1, 2022 Report Share Posted August 1, 2022 I’m not convinced the Broadheads, Simms and Dobbins are ever going to be good enough. Successive managers have sacked them off on loan. At the age they are now, you’d think they’d be getting ‘impact’ minutes in the first team if they had something about them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpartyBlue Posted August 1, 2022 Report Share Posted August 1, 2022 5 hours ago, Fosse Captain said: I’m not convinced the Broadheads, Simms and Dobbins are ever going to be good enough. Successive managers have sacked them off on loan. At the age they are now, you’d think they’d be getting ‘impact’ minutes in the first team if they had something about them. Broadhead is 24 so certainly he’s not likely to break through. Simms is 21 so still a question. Dobbin is a full two years younger at 19 so a successful high level loan would put him on a good path for the first team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fosse Captain Posted August 1, 2022 Report Share Posted August 1, 2022 1 hour ago, SpartyBlue said: Broadhead is 24 so certainly he’s not likely to break through. Simms is 21 so still a question. Dobbin is a full two years younger at 19 so a successful high level loan would put him on a good path for the first team Fair enough on Dobbin, I hadn't checked his age but the other 2 wont make it. Simms will be 22 going on 23 when he comes back from a loan at a newly promoted championship side who are going to struggle. Unless he tears it up, he'll be gone next summer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpartyBlue Posted August 1, 2022 Report Share Posted August 1, 2022 1 hour ago, Fosse Captain said: Fair enough on Dobbin, I hadn't checked his age but the other 2 wont make it. Simms will be 22 going on 23 when he comes back from a loan at a newly promoted championship side who are going to struggle. Unless he tears it up, he'll be gone next summer He had a decent loan last year and the year prior. You just never know if it’s going to *click* for these guys. He could certainly still progress. If he doesn’t show something this season I agree that it’s unlikely he’s going to break through with us. This is his chance. A good Championship loan should put him in the mix. I think sometimes we forget how big the jump is from the U-23’s to the best league in the world. For every Gordon or DCL there are 10 or 20 or 100 who don’t make it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formby Posted August 1, 2022 Report Share Posted August 1, 2022 3 minutes ago, SpartyBlue said: He had a decent loan last year and the year prior. You just never know if it’s going to *click* for these guys. He could certainly still progress. If he doesn’t show something this season I agree that it’s unlikely he’s going to break through with us. This is his chance. A good Championship loan should put him in the mix. I think sometimes we forget how big the junk is from the U-23’s to the best league in the world. For every Gordon or DCL there are 10 or 20 or 100 who don’t make it. There's still a lot of rubbish that gets through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpartyBlue Posted August 1, 2022 Report Share Posted August 1, 2022 20 minutes ago, Formby said: There's still a lot of rubbish that gets through. Well there are a lot of players promising enough to get a look. Many more get that look and don’t last long then establish themselves in the league Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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