Cornish Steve Posted May 21, 2022 Report Share Posted May 21, 2022 Commentary on the first half of today's Scottish Cup final: "I think Ellis Simms has been the man of the match so far. He's been a focal point for Hearts." Heath 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted May 29, 2022 Report Share Posted May 29, 2022 https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfer-news/ellis-simms-handed-rangers-transfer-27091222 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted May 29, 2022 Report Share Posted May 29, 2022 1 hour ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said: https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfer-news/ellis-simms-handed-rangers-transfer-27091222 That would be a great move for him, and us, as he'll be in a pressurised environment with them challenging for the league and also playing European football. Bailey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuffRob Posted May 29, 2022 Report Share Posted May 29, 2022 we sounds like Rangers interested in purchasing him - well they have set the bar for the 'value' of young promising players in January for a right back - using that as a yard stick then what would they be looking to pay for a goal scorer? Almost a shame we got Patterson in January and not going for him now -Ellis as part of the deal may have good him a couple of million cheaper. Anyway, I think we can say loan was a success. I wouldn't mind seeing what he could do around the first team for 6month with Lampard et al. At least if he went on load again in January - he would have a better understanding of the 'new Everton' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwlad Posted May 29, 2022 Report Share Posted May 29, 2022 1 hour ago, RuffRob said: we sounds like Rangers interested in purchasing him - well they have set the bar for the 'value' of young promising players in January for a right back - using that as a yard stick then what would they be looking to pay for a goal scorer? Almost a shame we got Patterson in January and not going for him now -Ellis as part of the deal may have good him a couple of million cheaper. Anyway, I think we can say loan was a success. I wouldn't mind seeing what he could do around the first team for 6month with Lampard et al. At least if he went on load again in January - he would have a better understanding of the 'new Everton' I like that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted June 19, 2022 Report Share Posted June 19, 2022 https://www.toffeeweb.com/season/21-22/comment/editorial/42281.html I thought this was quite a good review of Simms development and I also agree with the conclusion. Whilst I don't necessarily see a Premier League quality footballer in the bits I have seen of him, if he is going to make it at this level, I think has more chance of doing it on loan at a decent club in the Championship than lingering around our bench getting a few minutes every 2 or 3 weeks. Romey 1878 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted June 19, 2022 Report Share Posted June 19, 2022 I would give him his opportunity as back up to DCL instead of Rondon or buying another bench striker that we don’t have the funds for any way, he’s had some decent loans already and scored where ever he’s been, maybe not prolifically but still gave a good return. Most importantly he is natural finisher and has scored some cracking goals that’s the hardest thing to try and teach how to finish, he may lack some positional sense but with some good coaching and being In and around the first team it can only benefit him. Cornish Steve, Sibdane and Matt 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuffRob Posted July 26, 2022 Report Share Posted July 26, 2022 https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/sport/20580350.sunderland-ellis-simms-agrees-join-black-cats-everton/ Btay and Romey 1878 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post duncanmckenzieismagic Posted July 29, 2022 Popular Post Report Share Posted July 29, 2022 Surely if we are letting Simms go out on loan we are confident of bringing at least one striker in? Palfy, KinL, Matt and 2 others 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoo 2.0 Posted July 29, 2022 Report Share Posted July 29, 2022 1 hour ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said: Surely if we are letting Simms go out on loan we are confident of bringing at least one striker in? Probably not, I think the board will be happy to see us head into the season with DCL and Rondon, regardless of how poor the latter is and how hot and cold Dominic can be. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted July 29, 2022 Report Share Posted July 29, 2022 1 hour ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said: Surely if we are letting Simms go out on loan we are confident of bringing at least one striker in? Who knows, I really thought he would get a chance as back up to DCL this season, he went with the team to the state’s, yet hasn't had a minute in any of the friendlies and is now off on loan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted July 29, 2022 Report Share Posted July 29, 2022 20 minutes ago, Palfy said: Who knows, I really thought he would get a chance as back up to DCL this season, he went with the team to the state’s, yet hasn't had a minute in any of the friendlies and is now off on loan. Not a good sign, is it? Doesn’t sound like Frank or other coaches rated him enough going into the preseason matches to give him minutes over Rondon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted July 29, 2022 Report Share Posted July 29, 2022 2 hours ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said: Surely if we are letting Simms go out on loan we are confident of bringing at least one striker in? You do know this is an Everton forum, right? StevO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpartyBlue Posted July 29, 2022 Report Share Posted July 29, 2022 2 hours ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said: Surely if we are letting Simms go out on loan we are confident of bringing at least one striker in? Possibly but it could also just be that in a pinch Frank is alright playing Gordon, Gray, Dele, whoever you top if it came to that. Backup striker is important but less so then a central defender, midfielders etc.. so maybe it’s just a budget thing and/or down the list of priorities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted July 29, 2022 Report Share Posted July 29, 2022 At least this will be a proper test for him. If he can hold down a place and score goals at Championship level then he has a good chance of stepping up into the Premier League. SpartyBlue and London Blue 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted July 31, 2022 Report Share Posted July 31, 2022 Sunderland are on the TV against Coventry today if anyone wants to have a look at him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted July 31, 2022 Report Share Posted July 31, 2022 34 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said: Sunderland are on the TV against Coventry today if anyone wants to have a look at him. He starts on the bench. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted August 1, 2022 Report Share Posted August 1, 2022 On 31/07/2022 at 05:43, Romey 1878 said: He starts on the bench. Did he get any minutes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted August 1, 2022 Report Share Posted August 1, 2022 47 minutes ago, Sibdane said: Did he get any minutes? Nope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fosse Captain Posted August 1, 2022 Report Share Posted August 1, 2022 I’m not convinced the Broadheads, Simms and Dobbins are ever going to be good enough. Successive managers have sacked them off on loan. At the age they are now, you’d think they’d be getting ‘impact’ minutes in the first team if they had something about them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpartyBlue Posted August 1, 2022 Report Share Posted August 1, 2022 5 hours ago, Fosse Captain said: I’m not convinced the Broadheads, Simms and Dobbins are ever going to be good enough. Successive managers have sacked them off on loan. At the age they are now, you’d think they’d be getting ‘impact’ minutes in the first team if they had something about them. Broadhead is 24 so certainly he’s not likely to break through. Simms is 21 so still a question. Dobbin is a full two years younger at 19 so a successful high level loan would put him on a good path for the first team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fosse Captain Posted August 1, 2022 Report Share Posted August 1, 2022 1 hour ago, SpartyBlue said: Broadhead is 24 so certainly he’s not likely to break through. Simms is 21 so still a question. Dobbin is a full two years younger at 19 so a successful high level loan would put him on a good path for the first team Fair enough on Dobbin, I hadn't checked his age but the other 2 wont make it. Simms will be 22 going on 23 when he comes back from a loan at a newly promoted championship side who are going to struggle. Unless he tears it up, he'll be gone next summer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpartyBlue Posted August 1, 2022 Report Share Posted August 1, 2022 1 hour ago, Fosse Captain said: Fair enough on Dobbin, I hadn't checked his age but the other 2 wont make it. Simms will be 22 going on 23 when he comes back from a loan at a newly promoted championship side who are going to struggle. Unless he tears it up, he'll be gone next summer He had a decent loan last year and the year prior. You just never know if it’s going to *click* for these guys. He could certainly still progress. If he doesn’t show something this season I agree that it’s unlikely he’s going to break through with us. This is his chance. A good Championship loan should put him in the mix. I think sometimes we forget how big the jump is from the U-23’s to the best league in the world. For every Gordon or DCL there are 10 or 20 or 100 who don’t make it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formby Posted August 1, 2022 Report Share Posted August 1, 2022 3 minutes ago, SpartyBlue said: He had a decent loan last year and the year prior. You just never know if it’s going to *click* for these guys. He could certainly still progress. If he doesn’t show something this season I agree that it’s unlikely he’s going to break through with us. This is his chance. A good Championship loan should put him in the mix. I think sometimes we forget how big the junk is from the U-23’s to the best league in the world. For every Gordon or DCL there are 10 or 20 or 100 who don’t make it. There's still a lot of rubbish that gets through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpartyBlue Posted August 1, 2022 Report Share Posted August 1, 2022 20 minutes ago, Formby said: There's still a lot of rubbish that gets through. Well there are a lot of players promising enough to get a look. Many more get that look and don’t last long then establish themselves in the league Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formby Posted August 1, 2022 Report Share Posted August 1, 2022 10 minutes ago, SpartyBlue said: Well there are a lot of players promising enough to get a look. Many more get that look and don’t last long then establish themselves in the league Indeed! But my comment was aimed at your line in bold for a reason - if you read it carefully, you will see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpartyBlue Posted August 1, 2022 Report Share Posted August 1, 2022 36 minutes ago, Formby said: There's still a lot of rubbish that gets through. Ah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwlad Posted August 1, 2022 Report Share Posted August 1, 2022 I feel sorry for those kids that invest their youth and effort with a top club only to find their dreams dashed and that they are not going to attain the standard required. On the other hand it does give them the chance as professionals in the lower leagues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted August 1, 2022 Report Share Posted August 1, 2022 8 hours ago, Fosse Captain said: I’m not convinced the Broadheads, Simms and Dobbins are ever going to be good enough. Successive managers have sacked them off on loan. At the age they are now, you’d think they’d be getting ‘impact’ minutes in the first team if they had something about them. I’ve been banging this drum on here for approaching 20 years; most don’t make it. Are these players international level at their age groups? England won the under 20s World Cup with Kenny, Dowel, Lookman and DCL all starting the final, as well as Tom Davies being rested from the squad after a busy season in the premier league. Even a group of lads who did that at the respective age group couldn’t all break into the Everton team and hold a regular position. If a youngster makes it and keeps their place fantastic, but it more than likely won’t happen. Anthony Gordon has just got there, so chances are it’ll be a long time before the next one. I know I’m a miserable bastard with this stuff, but it just doesn’t happen often enough. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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