Romey 1878 Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 Everton have won three of their past four Premier League games against Arsenal, as many as they had in their previous 26 (D7 L16). Arsenal have won 99 of their 202 league games against Everton (D43 L60) and could become the first team in English league history to register 100 victories against one opponent. Everton are winless in eight Premier League games (D2 L6), last having a longer such run between August and October 1994 (12). They've lost their past four home league games - only once before have they suffered more consecutive defeats on home soil (seven between April and September 1958). Only Newcastle (three) have conceded the first goal in fewer Premier League games than Arsenal this season (four). On those four occasions, the Gunners have taken an average of just 17 minutes to find an equaliser. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPG Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 I think any result is possible here. We could get the new manager bounce, have the crowd up for it, catch Arsenal on a bad day and sneak a hard fought win. But getting trounced 0-5 is just as likely - as is a draw. In many ways it's a bit of a free hit for Dyche and I am more interested in his team selection, tactics, team performance and how Dyche changes things when necessary than the actual result. Realistically I think a hard fought draw is possible. I know Dyche likes 4-4-2 but, looking at who is available, I think it might be 4-1-4-1. Pickford Coleman Keane Tarkowski Mykolenko Gueye Iwobi Doucoure Onana McNeil DCL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formby Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 1 hour ago, RPG said: We could get the new manager bounce, have the crowd up for it, catch Arsenal on a bad day and sneak a hard fought win. But getting trounced 0-5 is just as likely - as is a draw. Iwobi Doucoure Onana McNeil I think you have it all covered here,@RPG - you're not allowing for abandoned match? Is Gray not fit? RPG 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPG Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 25 minutes ago, Formby said: I think you have it all covered here,@RPG - you're not allowing for abandoned match? Is Gray not fit? On his day, Gray can be brilliant in short patches but I am not sure he will be a starter for Dyche. I think he will go with what and who he knows and maybe bring Gray on from the bench. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formby Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 57 minutes ago, RPG said: On his day, Gray can be brilliant in short patches but I am not sure he will be a starter for Dyche. I think he will go with what and who he knows and maybe bring Gray on from the bench. If he plays that team, I will cry - first from despair and then from incredulity! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted February 2 Author Report Share Posted February 2 13 minutes ago, Formby said: If he plays that team, I will cry - first from despair and then from incredulity! Really? It won't be a surprise in the slightest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWooney Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 why are people so obsessed with Dyche picking Keane just because he was a Burnley player under him? A lot of time has passed since he had him at Burnely, he's had some good times at Everton but plenty of bad times and I don't see any reason why he would suddenly pick him over Coady or Keane. Keane has also shown that he struggles mentally when things aren't going well which doesn't make him a great pic unless there's some major change in his mentality just because Dyche has come in! @Formby what team would you pick instead? Apart from changing defenders and adding Gray there's not a lot of option really. I'd consider Maupay alongside DCL for some games but don't think it would be a great option for this game. Gueue's many errors this season would temp me to drop him, options to replace him would be Davies, Doucoure or maybe even Holgate. Whoever looks best in training and Dyche fancies to put in a performance really. I'd rather see Gray and McNeil on the Wings than Iwobi though that doesn't leave any space for Iwobi unless he's up top with DCL which isn't a goer unless he plays a number 10 kind of role behind DCL. I can't really find any side that looks good in honesty!! I'd like to see Mills on the bench as an option at least on the wing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formby Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 7 minutes ago, FairWooney said: @Formby what team would you pick instead? Apart from changing defenders and adding Gray there's not a lot of option really. I can't really find any side that looks good in honesty!! I agree with your last comment but there is no one in that midfield capable of running on to DCL's flicks, even if he gets them. He has to play two forwards for me. Would play Godfrey at LB as he has pace and power. Gray has pace, which he wants, so must start. I would consider playing Holgate at RB, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formby Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 24 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said: Really? It won't be a surprise in the slightest. Can I just cry anyway? Sibdane and Romey 1878 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuffRob Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 Not to much pressure in this game. Think he might go tight at the back and feel under no pressure to try and play against Arsenal Pickford Godfrey, Coady, Tarks, Mykolenko Gana Iwobi Onana Doucoure Grey DCL Think we might have to have Grey in as at least some sort of counter attacking threat. MikeO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWooney Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 48 minutes ago, Formby said: I agree with your last comment but there is no one in that midfield capable of running on to DCL's flicks, even if he gets them. He has to play two forwards for me. Would play Godfrey at LB as he has pace and power. Gray has pace, which he wants, so must start. I would consider playing Holgate at RB, too. Agree on support for DCL. I'd say potential options are Maupay, Gray or Iwobi at the moment with potential for Simms also. I'm really open to what team put out as to whoever comes through a week of training and adaptation a to how Dyche wants them to play. If Davies has a great week, works well and buys into how Dyche wants to play then i'm happy for him to start. Like wise someone like Doucoure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPG Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 1 hour ago, Formby said: If he plays that team, I will cry - first from despair and then from incredulity! Not saying that would be my team but that is what I think Dyche might do. But if Gueye has learned his lessons from previous errors then I would say its a solid team but we would probably need to score first and hold on if we are to get any result as there isn't much attacking threat there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwlad all over Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 Take this game for what it is, first under a new manager and coaching staff and against the league leaders. new manager bounce and from his press conference it seems he's trying to instill confidence which has been sorely lacking. Whatever the result he will gain a lot from this game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 If Dyche goes for his trusted 4-4-2 I actually think DCL and Maupay could work going forward Btay and Matt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 Listening to the various places where Dyche has talked about his tactics I don't see him playing a single pivot. I think he is more likely to want to play a second striker / number 10 that will sit on the deepest Arsenal midfielder, although that is pretty difficult in itself because of their rotation with the full backs and wingers. Btay 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 2 minutes ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said: If Dyche goes for his trusted 4-4-2 I actually think DCL and Maupay could work going forward I agree. Maybe not so much this weekend but going forward it will suit his style. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 32 minutes ago, Bailey said: Listening to the various places where Dyche has talked about his tactics I don't see him playing a single pivot. I think he is more likely to want to play a second striker / number 10 that will sit on the deepest Arsenal midfielder, although that is pretty difficult in itself because of their rotation with the full backs and wingers. He likes to pin both centre halves and this means if the opposition has a single pivot then one passing lane can get cut off. I have the feeling Ben white will be used to help if that’s the case. Onana is gonna play a huge part in us going forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 8 minutes ago, Hafnia said: He likes to pin both centre halves and this means if the opposition has a single pivot then one passing lane can get cut off. I have the feeling Ben white will be used to help if that’s the case. Onana is gonna play a huge part in us going forward. This is the problem, Arsenal dont have a single pivot and the is a lot of rotation between Zinchenko / Xhaka / Martinelli on one side and then White / Partay or Odegaard / Saka on the other. Whatever you try and do with a front two, Arsenal will outnumber the defenders. Im not sure how Dyche can really tackle this Arsenal side with the players he has bar getting a bit lucky along the way. Ill be most interested in seeing how we do put our attacks together from a defensive position as the best way to keep top teams honest is to give them enough to worry about at the back so that they don't steamroll over you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 3 hours ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said: If Dyche goes for his trusted 4-4-2 I actually think DCL and Maupay could work going forward This is what I’m expecting - Maupay to drop a bit deeper off the ball. I’m expecting Gray & Mcneil out wide with Onana/Iwobi centrally. Maybe Iwobi up with DCL and Gana in central midfield. What ever he does though the 2 CM’s are going to need to get through a mountain of work! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 4 hours ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said: If Dyche goes for his trusted 4-4-2 I actually think DCL and Maupay could work going forward Finally! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted February 3 Report Share Posted February 3 If we go 442 then Gana has to be the one to make way for the extra striker, he has offered very little since his arrival and imo disrupts the balance of the team. I would also give Coady a kick up the arse he's been poor for weeks a shadow of the player who first joined, I would go with . Pickford Coleman. Tarkowski. Godfrey. Mykolen Gray. Iwobi. Onana McNeil DCL. Maupay. Matt and Btay 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted February 3 Report Share Posted February 3 I really don't think Iwobi has the discipline for a central midfielder in a 442. He gets caught out in a 451 too often but at least then he has more cover. It's not like Dyche is known for his creative players in midfield so I think we will see him line up wider for the rest of the season. dunlopp9987, AlbanyNYToffee and duncanmckenzieismagic 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted February 3 Report Share Posted February 3 40 minutes ago, Bailey said: I really don't think Iwobi has the discipline for a central midfielder in a 442. He gets caught out in a 451 too often but at least then he has more cover. It's not like Dyche is known for his creative players in midfield so I think we will see him line up wider for the rest of the season. Which will be a shame if he does. We really need to be playing to strengths which is what he said he'll try and do. We'll see I guess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlbanyNYToffee Posted February 3 Report Share Posted February 3 Im grasping at straws now just looking for any glimmer of hope but I genuinely believe 4-4-2 suits our squad best. Our fullbacks are limited going forward. Our centerbacks can't play in space. Gueye is past it so he can sit deeper and disrupt. Onana wants to do more but often lacked space in the middle 3. Iwobi is versatile. Maupay is only successful when he has support. DCL could use some too since he hasn't been a threat in a year now. Pickford Coleman Pick 2 CBs Mykolenko Gray Onana Gana Iwobi Maupay DCL I would prefer Maupay never play again but at the very least this is giving him a chance to show what he can do despite all the obvious limitations in his game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted February 3 Report Share Posted February 3 For me Onana and Gana might rhyme but as a pair they definitely don't chime. Thank you Shukes, Matt, Wall Writer and 1 other 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted February 3 Report Share Posted February 3 2 hours ago, Matt said: Which will be a shame if he does. We really need to be playing to strengths which is what he said he'll try and do. We'll see I guess Dont forget that a Dyche 442 will be very different to Iwobi playing as a winger. It will be more like a wide central midfielder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted February 3 Author Report Share Posted February 3 3 hours ago, Palfy said: For me Onana and Gana might rhyme but as a pair they definitely don't chime. Thank you Sublime. Shukes, Palfy and Matt 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MikeO Posted February 3 Popular Post Report Share Posted February 3 4 hours ago, Palfy said: For me Onana and Gana might rhyme but as a pair they definitely don't chime. Thank you 21 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said: Sublime. A crime. Wall Writer, Romey 1878, London Blue and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted February 4 Report Share Posted February 4 I can't see how in the current state we are in Dyche refuses to play Gray who is the most likely to make something happen, especially when given space to run in to. I'd much prefer to see Iwobi behind DCL, but given his work rate and better defensive ability when compared to Gray, I think it would make more sense to see him on the right, giving more of a balance to the team. It's anybody's guess, but here's what I think Dyche will go for: Pickford Coleman Coady Tarks Mykolenko/Holgate Iwobi Onana Gueye McNeil Gray DCL It wouldn't surprise me to see Godfrey back at LB when he is fit. I think Dyche will prefer Coleman/Godfrey in the future or Holgate/Mykolenko. I can't see Patterson getting much game time. I doubt very much we will get anything against a very strong Arsenal team, despite the new manager bounce. I'm more interested to see who Dyche chooses as his starting XI and I'm looking forward to seeing a much more direct philosophy. Not something I'd normally say, but I'd absolutely take a point right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted February 4 Report Share Posted February 4 After reading some of the posts on here, I'd bet good money that Iwobi will not be playing in a central midfield pairing, and we won't be playing a single pivot in midfield, it's not how Dyche sets up his team's. He can't play all of Iwobi, Gray, Maupay, McNeil and DCL in the same starting XI. For me Maupay or McNeil has to make way and I think it'll be Maupay who misses out at least for this game, especially given how Arsenal set up with Partay and now maybe even Jorginho - 4411 makes sense to me for this one. I'm not sure Dyche will be a big fan of the Gana Onana pairing in midfield either, but IMO I don't think he will find a better one. Onana for me will be a big player under Dyche, but I can't see Gana being replaced by Davies or Doucoure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted February 4 Report Share Posted February 4 9 hours ago, MikeO said: A crime. No isn’t the time! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted February 4 Report Share Posted February 4 Nervous about this one. Just hope we go out there and really get at them, high intensity and relentless pressing. Just don’t Everton this and get flogged before the derby… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chicagoblue Posted February 4 Report Share Posted February 4 Match is at 4am my time. Normally I wouldn't be up that early, even for Everton, but really don't want to miss the first match of the new era. I'll be giving waking up a real effort. Wish me luck lads. RPG 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPG Posted February 4 Report Share Posted February 4 15 hours ago, Palfy said: For me Onana and Gana might rhyme but as a pair they definitely don't chime. Thank you How about Onana and Garner? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPG Posted February 4 Report Share Posted February 4 38 minutes ago, chicagoblue said: Match is at 4am my time. Normally I wouldn't be up that early, even for Everton, but really don't want to miss the first match of the new era. I'll be giving waking up a real effort. Wish me luck lads. I used to do the same whenever I was in Chicago. Only snag was that I would be staying in a hotel so I had to get to 'The Globe' bar which would open at 6-00am if necessary to show all the footie and serve a great breakfast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted February 4 Report Share Posted February 4 This game couldnt be at a worse time for me today. Hopefully I can catch some of the first half although to be fair that might be enough! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted February 4 Report Share Posted February 4 I want to see a Doucoure and Onana partnership if not today then against the shite, for me they are both full of physical strength and have great engines and they thrive in the battle, and boy are we in a battle, so it makes sense to put these two together in the heart of the team and allow them to lead the fight by example. Bill 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted February 4 Report Share Posted February 4 My family are a family of Evertonians. 4 years ago we said goodbye to my Grandad. That weekend we played Arsenal. At the post funeral wake I got me and my boy tickets and we won a good game 1-0. Yesterday, we said goodbye to my Nan. You know the rest! Tried to get tickets last night but no joy. Not a believer in omens and all that but if we win today...I'll well and truly shit my pants!!! Aidan, chicagoblue, AlbanyNYToffee and 1 other 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted February 4 Report Share Posted February 4 44 minutes ago, Palfy said: I want to see a Doucoure and Onana partnership if not today then against the shite, for me they are both full of physical strength and have great engines and they thrive in the battle, and boy are we in a battle, so it makes sense to put these two together in the heart of the team and allow them to lead the fight by example. If Doucoure had even the slightest inclination of a first touch and passing ability I would agree but I feel he would get swamped in a 2 man midfield. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wall Writer Posted February 4 Report Share Posted February 4 Quite excited for this game. An unusual feeling of late, admittedly. Really interested to see how we turn out, and am surprisingly optimisic. Hoping to see a revitalised team, playing with energy, for the shirt and with a plan. We can lose, but if I see these things, I'll be happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted February 4 Report Share Posted February 4 39 minutes ago, Newty82 said: My family are a family of Evertonians. 4 years ago we said goodbye to my Grandad. That weekend we played Arsenal. At the post funeral wake I got me and my boy tickets and we won a good game 1-0. Yesterday, we said goodbye to my Nan. You know the rest! Tried to get tickets last night but no joy. Not a believer in omens and all that but if we win today...I'll well and truly shit my pants!!! Sorry to hear that mate. Best wishes to you and your family Newty82 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted February 4 Report Share Posted February 4 47 minutes ago, Newty82 said: My family are a family of Evertonians. 4 years ago we said goodbye to my Grandad. That weekend we played Arsenal. At the post funeral wake I got me and my boy tickets and we won a good game 1-0. Yesterday, we said goodbye to my Nan. You know the rest! Tried to get tickets last night but no joy. Not a believer in omens and all that but if we win today...I'll well and truly shit my pants!!! Thoughts are with you and your family mate Newty82 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted February 4 Report Share Posted February 4 4-3-3 it is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted February 4 Report Share Posted February 4 Iwobi back to an attacking role. Nice line up to be fair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted February 4 Report Share Posted February 4 6 minutes ago, Newty82 said: Iwobi back to an attacking role. Nice line up to be fair. Gray’s a bit unlucky miss out but it seems Dyche has gone for work rate & McNeil Newty82 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPG Posted February 4 Report Share Posted February 4 I'm not sure that it is 4-3-3. It could be a 4-1-4-1 Pickford Coleman Coady Tarkowski Mykolenko Gueye Iwobi Doucoure Onana McNeil DCL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoo 2.0 Posted February 4 Report Share Posted February 4 Impressive numbers for the protest, well done to all that are marching. Shame that the coward's won't see it in person, but it'll be all over social media. Hafnia and Newty82 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoo 2.0 Posted February 4 Report Share Posted February 4 First thing I see on the TV as I walk into the ground is SSN reporting on the protest, top job. Newty82 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted February 4 Report Share Posted February 4 32 minutes ago, Btay said: 4-3-3 it is Absolutely, the last thing I thought Dyche would do and I was way off the mark. Let's see how it's set up then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted February 4 Report Share Posted February 4 I hope it's a 442 with Onana up top like a Fellaini throwback. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted February 4 Report Share Posted February 4 Ouch!!!! The board are getting absolutely twatted, coverage of protest on BT. Stubbs doing a fantastic job of saying that there did absolutely no question that the fans are behind the players and that narrative is so wrong. Btay 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted February 4 Report Share Posted February 4 26 minutes ago, RPG said: I'm not sure that it is 4-3-3. It could be a 4-1-4-1 Pickford Coleman Coady Tarkowski Mykolenko Gueye Iwobi Doucoure Onana McNeil DCL You say tomatoes I say tomatoes really RPG 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted February 4 Report Share Posted February 4 7 minutes ago, Aidan said: Absolutely, the last thing I thought Dyche would do and I was way off the mark. Let's see how it's set up then I’m just hoping we are compact and organised. Let’s get at them and get Goodison rocking! Aidan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted February 4 Report Share Posted February 4 Coyb!!! At these nice and sharp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted February 4 Report Share Posted February 4 Watching in a bar in Spain only 19 degrees and not a cloud in the sky. COYB Btay and Newty82 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted February 4 Report Share Posted February 4 6 minutes ago, Palfy said: Watching in a bar in Spain only 19 degrees and not a cloud in the sky. COYB Jealous of that mate. Been mid to high 30’s here and humid as anything Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunlopp9987 Posted February 4 Report Share Posted February 4 Well there's our plan, laid out for all to see within the first 7 minutes. Crosses into the box with Onana joining DCL badaids 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badaids Posted February 4 Report Share Posted February 4 Well, we dont look too bad so far, but if we are going to ping these balls into the box from deep we need someone outside the box to challenge or they are going to clean up. dunlopp9987 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badaids Posted February 4 Report Share Posted February 4 Difference between them and us on the break is chalk and cheese. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunlopp9987 Posted February 4 Report Share Posted February 4 Just now, badaids said: Difference between them and us on the break is chalk and cheese. Always was going to be though, wasn't it. So far nothing surprising about this in the least Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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