Anthony Gordon

[markjazzbassist]

3 hours ago, StevO said:

Barkley said he was a forward, that’s not necessarily a striker. He played on the right of a front three many times for Koeman. He just didn’t see himself as a midfielder, probably with most of his strengths being attack minded.

Walcott spent most of his youth as a striker, he went to Arsenal hoping to follow in Henry’s footsteps and become a striker there. It just didn’t work out that way and he’s become accustomed to being a winger. 
Probably in a similar way to Gareth Bale always being a left back, before things changed and he got the opportunity to try something different and excelled at it. 

So when Barkley plays 3 times as a forward and the rest as a mid, it’s ok to call him a forward.  But when Gordon plays every match so far in the first team as a winger it’s not ok to call him a winger?  The logic of that is baffling

[Palfy]

1 hour ago, markjazzbassist said:

So when Barkley plays 3 times as a forward and the rest as a mid, it’s ok to call him a forward.  But when Gordon plays every match so far in the first team as a winger it’s not ok to call him a winger?  The logic of that is baffling

I think what there getting at is if you play in a wide position in the MF doesn’t mean you are a natural winger. When he plays there you don’t see him taking on the RB to get to the line to put a cross in, he’s like Pienaar when he played there he wasn’t a winger, they try to link up with the LB so they can get to line, or they cut in and drive towards the middle of the area. 

[Romey 1878]

2 hours ago, markjazzbassist said:

So when Barkley plays 3 times as a forward and the rest as a mid, it’s ok to call him a forward.  But when Gordon plays every match so far in the first team as a winger it’s not ok to call him a winger?  The logic of that is baffling

He’s been playing on the left and right of midfield but he hasn’t been playing as a winger. 

[DownUnderToff]

On 19/07/2020 at 21:30, markjazzbassist said:

Ross Barkley considered himself a striker. Walcott for years at arsenal said he was a center forward.  Yet another reason to trust the manager and not the footballers

There's a quote, a number of posts back, from Carlo saying that; he did well on the left, could be a midfielder, and thinks he'd be good in the #10.  Unsworth has also said he thought he should be a #9.

[Btay]

10 hours ago, DownUnderToff said:

There's a quote, a number of posts back, from Carlo saying that; he did well on the left, could be a midfielder, and thinks he'd be good in the #10.  Unsworth has also said he thought he should be a #9.

Hopefully he doesn't become a victim of versatility. Get him in and settle - then coach some more roles into him. Fantastic talent regardless. 

[markjazzbassist]

11 hours ago, DownUnderToff said:

There's a quote, a number of posts back, from Carlo saying that; he did well on the left, could be a midfielder, and thinks he'd be good in the #10.  Unsworth has also said he thought he should be a #9.

he is a thin little thing, not much bigger than bernard.  if he plays anywhere in the middle he will get bullied all day long.  left or right wing the only place he stands a chance.  

[Romey 1878]

No one saw the work he was putting in over the lockdown? He basically went on an army camp and built his muscle up massively from where he was at previously.

This is a kid that knows he needs to work on that aspect, so I'm sure he'll be putting even more into that over the short off season and into pre-season. He's not going to be a huge lad in terms of strength but I think some of you are doing him a disservice.

I want to see him in a position where he can showcase his talents, and that involves making things happen and trying things. He can do a job out wide (that's not as a winger), and I'm sure we'll see him there again when the tactics call for it and to give him game time, but he's a player that wants to impact on the game and he'll do that from a more central position.

[c1982]

13 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said:

No one saw the work he was putting in over the lockdown? He basically went on an army camp and built his muscle up massively from where he was at previously.

This is a kid that knows he needs to work on that aspect, so I'm sure he'll be putting even more into that over the short off season and into pre-season. He's not going to be a huge lad in terms of strength but I think some of you are doing him a disservice.

I want to see him in a position where he can showcase his talents, and that involves making things happen and trying things. He can do a job out wide (that's not as a winger), and I'm sure we'll see him there again when the tactics call for it and to give him game time, but he's a player that wants to impact on the game and he'll do that from a more central position.

Reading above, I was about to post the same thing... he was so dedicated over lockdown and has reaped the reward since with much more game time. Well deserved and to be fair, he looks as good, if not better, than any other midfielder we have currently.

[Romey 1878]

As expected, he's still putting in the hard work

 

 

[Haiku]

Good for him. Think he needs to bulk up a little, looks a bit skinny, but still he's so young.

[Aidan]

 

[Romey 1878]

4 minutes ago, Aidan said:

 

https://www.evertonfc.com/news/1800949/gordon-signs-new-five-year-everton-deal

Great news,

[Romey 1878]

https://www.evertonfc.com/news/1800951/teenager-gordon-explains-how-he-can-excite-evertonians

I love his mindset. I also really appreciate that he knows he's got to deliver as an attacking player and doesn't shy away from it.

[Bailey]

4 hours ago, Romey 1878 said:

https://www.evertonfc.com/news/1800951/teenager-gordon-explains-how-he-can-excite-evertonians

I love his mindset. I also really appreciate that he knows he's got to deliver as an attacking player and doesn't shy away from it.

He definitely has a great attitude. Hopefully this season he can kick on.

Interesting comments about Ferguson too.

[Romey 1878]

https://www.evertonfc.com/news/1833103/gordon-reveals-key-factor-behind-electric-salford-display

[Hafnia]

3 hours ago, Romey 1878 said:

https://www.evertonfc.com/news/1833103/gordon-reveals-key-factor-behind-electric-salford-display

You could tell they were scared of him. They fouled him non stop

[FairWooney]

A decent league cup run would do him good, getting first team matches every week for a few weeks.

I'd like to see him get onto the bench and get some game time like he did last season.

(Nothing to do with me putting him in as the cheapy in my fantasy football team!)

[SpartyBlue]

32 minutes ago, FairWooney said:

A decent league cup run would do him good, getting first team matches every week for a few weeks.

I'd like to see him get onto the bench and get some game time like he did last season.

(Nothing to do with me putting him in as the cheapy in my fantasy football team!)

I did notice him not tracking runs a couple of times defensively. If you’re gonna not gonna be great in that area of the game you’d better be real dangerous going forward. Can’t wait to see him in 2-3 years if he can work on his weak points. 

[Romey 1878]

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/anthony-gordon-everton-carlo-ancelotti-18977025

[Aidan]

'Tell me what I need to do to get into the line up' kinda attitude, love it. 

[pete0]

Wonder what Carlo will say when Bolasie comes knocking... 

[Matt]

33 minutes ago, pete0 said:

Wonder what Carlo will say when Bolasie comes knocking... 

That won’t happen. 

[Romey 1878]

57 minutes ago, pete0 said:

Wonder what Carlo will say when Bolasie comes knocking... 

We may have a new “who?” meme. 

[Aidan]

3 hours ago, pete0 said:

Wonder what Carlo will say when Bolasie comes knocking... 

Hide under his desk! 

[Romey 1878]

Good to see him doing his job of creating once he came on tonight by adding another assist to his tally. Now I'm just hoping for a goal from him soon.

[Vranny]

7 hours ago, Romey 1878 said:

Good to see him doing his job of creating once he came on tonight by adding another assist to his tally. Now I'm just hoping for a goal from him soon.

Likewise. It seems like he’s desperate to get his first on the board for the club after missing some close chances last week.

Fingers crossed he can start impressing enough on the training field to earn his spot back on the  bench in league games too. 

[Bailey]

It was good to see him do well off the bench and add the quality he has been missing in some of his games. 

He needs to do that when he gets the chance in the big league now. 

It is good to see that he is clearly better than League 1 and 2 players. If he plays and does well against West Ham he will prove he is better than Championship players too

[SpartyBlue]

43 minutes ago, Bailey said:

It was good to see him do well off the bench and add the quality he has been missing in some of his games. 

He needs to do that when he gets the chance in the big league now. 

It is good to see that he is clearly better than League 1 and 2 players. If he plays and does well against West Ham he will prove he is better than Championship players too

For me he’s been dangerous whenever he’s gotten an opportunity. What he currently lacks is a defensive awareness and a bit of size imo. I think the quality is there.

[Shukes]

I wouldn't mind seeing him in the premier at all. He looks very determined and definitely has the ability.

[Romey 1878]

https://www.evertonfc.com/news/1878880/everton-forward-gordon-opens-up-on-ancelotti-conversation?fbclid=IwAR2oI7pTrKK1eSty1_dWqoRQc_Dn31dUjLEFGb_N6ekzm7pQOdccpbD-F5w

Another youngster with maturity it seems.

I hope he plays on Sunday in place of Iwobi, he couldn't possibly be any worse.

[markjazzbassist]

yeah he needs a full run out, just see what he's got and can offer, iwobi and bernard are not the answers.  maybe this kid is.

[Btay]

On 29/10/2020 at 19:27, Romey 1878 said:

https://www.evertonfc.com/news/1878880/everton-forward-gordon-opens-up-on-ancelotti-conversation?fbclid=IwAR2oI7pTrKK1eSty1_dWqoRQc_Dn31dUjLEFGb_N6ekzm7pQOdccpbD-F5w

Another youngster with maturity it seems.

I hope he plays on Sunday in place of Iwobi, he couldn't possibly be any worse.

Reminds me of Richarlison in a few ways but ultimately also seems so humble and grounded.

We play him and he could put in a bad performance or two but I really think he would look at them and work on his game to better himself. Real talent 

[Bailey]

On 29/10/2020 at 13:12, markjazzbassist said:

yeah he needs a full run out, just see what he's got and can offer, iwobi and bernard are not the answers.  maybe this kid is.

In some ways this is part of the problem as all of these players are in and out of the starting 11 all the time or just coming off the bench when it is hard to get up to speed. Players out of the side low on confidence then try and "perform" when they get the chance and it backfires. I just want one of them, and I don't particularly care who it is, to be able to come in and do the basics, play solidly and help the team get a result.

 

[markjazzbassist]

56 minutes ago, Bailey said:

In some ways this is part of the problem as all of these players are in and out of the starting 11 all the time or just coming off the bench when it is hard to get up to speed. Players out of the side low on confidence then try and "perform" when they get the chance and it backfires. I just want one of them, and I don't particularly care who it is, to be able to come in and do the basics, play solidly and help the team get a result.

 

And yet carlo himself said top players don’t need to do that. They just come in and perform, like James and Allan when we bought them 2 or 3 days before a match.  They did well.  Gordon isn’t there yet but bernard and iwobi have been given plenty of chances and done fuck all

[Bailey]

2 hours ago, markjazzbassist said:

And yet carlo himself said top players don’t need to do that. They just come in and perform, like James and Allan when we bought them 2 or 3 days before a match.  They did well.  Gordon isn’t there yet but bernard and iwobi have been given plenty of chances and done fuck all

Well a lot of good players do, especially young players in Gordon's case. 

Neither Iwobi nor Bernard have had a run under Carlo. When Bernard did under Silva he played well consistently. 

Ideally you do want player who can come in, play their part, and then go back to being on the fringes but there are lots of players who just can't do that. I would say when both Rooney and Kane aren't sharp they would both be very average, especially the former. They were/are both excellent players. 

It is something you see at all levels of sport. Some people need to have games under their belt to be at their best. Some are straight at it from the first minute. It's all about that funny thing between our ears.

 

[c1982]

He needs to start against Man U - he’s the nearest thing we have to Richarlison (albeit nowhere near as good) and will put the graft in tracking back that Iwobi and Bernard lack. Very disappointed that he didn’t start over Gomes or Gylfi today.

[Romey 1878]

35 minutes ago, c1982 said:

He needs to start against Man U - he’s the nearest thing we have to Richarlison (albeit nowhere near as good) and will put the graft in tracking back that Iwobi and Bernard lack. Very disappointed that he didn’t start over Gomes or Gylfi today.

It was criminal that he didn't even get on.

[Bailey]

I'm not necessarily his biggest fan but I am also amazed he didn't get on the pitch. 

He could offer the width, pace and drive that we sorely lacked. 

[Romey 1878]

Nice little assist for him for the U23s today.

[Aidan]

Needs a loan in January if we can get him one. See how he gets on in the Championship. Don't think carlo wants to risk playing him at the minute. 

[Btay]

I cant see how he hasn't got minutes with Richarlison out & Bernard/Iwobi only offering 15/20 minutes performances when they are starting. 

[Bailey]

17 hours ago, Btay said:

I cant see how he hasn't got minutes with Richarlison out & Bernard/Iwobi only offering 15/20 minutes performances when they are starting. 

I am surprised. It's not as if anyone has come in and staked a claim and is keeping Gordon out of the side.

[Btay]

5 hours ago, Bailey said:

I am surprised. It's not as if anyone has come in and staked a claim and is keeping Gordon out of the side.

Exactly, i like Bernard but for one of his positives he has a negative. Iwobi is absolutely frustrating because the moment he shows a glimpse of what he could be he reverts back to his "usual" self.

Gordon is just a direct winger, he might come in and not perform but his ceiling is not set yet and the more opportunity we give him now the higher that ceiling goes in my opinion.

[Shukes]

The manager might be seeing something missing at the moment. Is he listening? Is he training hard? Is his mental state ready? 
 

It’s strange that he isn’t even making the squad at times.

[Romey 1878]

51 minutes ago, Shukes said:

The manager might be seeing something missing at the moment. Is he listening? Is he training hard? Is his mental state ready? 
 

It’s strange that he isn’t even making the squad at times.

I can't see it being either of the first two. The last one maybe, but even that would be a surprise going off what we know about him so far.

Like Bailey said somewhere earlier in the thread; I haven't been entirely blown away by what he's shown on the pitch but there have been flashes and the other options that have been given chance after chance have been terrible for the most part. So it's all a bit odd.

[Bailey]

18 hours ago, Btay said:

Exactly, i like Bernard but for one of his positives he has a negative. Iwobi is absolutely frustrating because the moment he shows a glimpse of what he could be he reverts back to his "usual" self.

Gordon is just a direct winger, he might come in and not perform but his ceiling is not set yet and the more opportunity we give him now the higher that ceiling goes in my opinion.

I completely agree with that second paragraph as well. Iwobi, Bernard, Gylfi etc all play in the space but link play more than get at teams. I think it was probably a shock to see Bernard score the way he did because normally he changes his mind about 5 times and then gives the ball away. 

When you think about Richarlison, the first thing that comes to mind is his aggression and directness. Gordon might not have the physical presence Richarlison has but he still wants to get at players and teams in the same way and therefore he would appear to be the most like for like replacement. 

[FairWooney]

Obviously Carlo doesn't see him as quite ready yet despite giving him a fair bit of game time at the end of last season.

This weekend I'd say he didn't make the squad because he'd rather see him get 90 minutes in an u23 game than sit on the bench for most of first team game.

I think his time will come, as someone mentioned a loan might be a great move for him.  Give him some regular first team experience in a championship side, against slightly easier opposition that just helps him develop a bit and be ready to step up and come back into the first team.

[Bailey]

I was a little disappointed with him today. It is never going to be easy to come in and impress in a game like today's but he has to do more of the basics better. 

He played as though he needs games under his belt.

[Romey 1878]

25 minutes ago, Bailey said:

I was a little disappointed with him today. It is never going to be easy to come in and impress in a game like today's but he has to do more of the basics better. 

He played as though he needs games under his belt.

I don't really think we go him the ball enough to judge him too harshly. It's got to be hard coming in when the manager has barely given you a sniff and the games you're coming in for we're set up very negatively.

[Matt]

2 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said:

I don't really think we go him the ball enough to judge him too harshly. It's got to be hard coming in when the manager has barely given you a sniff and the games you're coming in for we're set up very negatively.

I mostly agree but the issue I had was that he didn’t have the courage to try and make an impact. He had his 1 game (a rough one to be fair) to send a message by doing something special, but instead just filled some boots and made a couple of passes. He needs confidence based on what I saw this evening, I’m hoping he gets a loan in January. 

[Romey 1878]

5 minutes ago, Matt said:

I mostly agree but the issue I had was that he didn’t have the courage to try and make an impact. He had his 1 game (a rough one to be fair) to send a message by doing something special, but instead just filled some boots and made a couple of passes. He needs confidence based on what I saw this evening, I’m hoping he gets a loan in January. 

I can understand but he's a baby and I think he's been treated a bit harshly by Carlo this season, and it looks like it may have hit him a bit. I agree about hoping he gets a loan move in January - a different environment and plenty of games should do him the world of good.

[MC11]

Showed nothing to suggest he should be playing. Big chance for him tonight which he didn’t take. Bernard should be ahead of him. 

[StevO]

1 hour ago, Romey 1878 said:

I can understand but he's a baby and I think he's been treated a bit harshly by Carlo this season, and it looks like it may have hit him a bit. I agree about hoping he gets a loan move in January - a different environment and plenty of games should do him the world of good.

My worry, if that is the case, is he tough enough to make it?
He may feel he should have played more, but when he comes in I want him to try to show why that is. All he’s done tonight is probably put Bernard back in front of him In the pecking order. 

Hopefully he does get a loan. I’d like to see us buy a winger though.
We need more options when Richarlison and James are out. As good as Iwobi has been lately I want to see it over a longer period before I think he’s the answer. 

[Hafnia]

Like I said before the match... I hope he does well but it isn't at the cost of people questioning why Carlo didn't put him in sooner.

The reality is that he's a talented kid but the clamour for him to play and questioning Carlo like we had a young lionel Messi was a bit of a joke. 

If he was good enough Carlo would have played him...

[Romey 1878]

56 minutes ago, StevO said:

My worry, if that is the case, is he tough enough to make it?
He may feel he should have played more, but when he comes in I want him to try to show why that is. All he’s done tonight is probably put Bernard back in front of him In the pecking order. 

Hopefully he does get a loan. I’d like to see us buy a winger though.
We need more options when Richarlison and James are out. As good as Iwobi has been lately I want to see it over a longer period before I think he’s the answer. 

I think it would probably hit most young players to come in at the end of last season and do reasonably well and then come the next season he’s not even getting a look in.

I want him to show why that is but I don’t feel like we really gave him the ball enough for him to do that. It would be a shame if this one performance sees him go back to not getting a look in. 

[Btay]

Wouldn’t look into it too much. More experienced, older players have taken time to settle. He really needs a run of games before we can judge him too harshly. Hopefully he starts the cup game.

[Hafnia]

1. He's nowhere near strong enough yet

2. Has great technical ability and control with some sharp pace about him but he needs to know when to attack and when to pass. Got caught a couple of times leading to counter attacks.

3. He's 19.  Very young and not physically up to the levels required.  Far too much expectations on him already.

4. Trust in Carlo

 

[London Blue]

He needs a loan, needs game time to get used to the rigours of competitive football. But we need better competition for Richy its one area's we need to strengthen in.

[Hafnia]

He just needs the squad to be in a place whereby fans aren't treating him as some sort of undiscovered gem that Carlo needs to use in order for us to transform.

Our fans aren't the most patient with young homegrown talent so he needs to be a support act who grows with the team rather than become a Tom Davies where he is used as a replacement for expensive misfiring players.... Then because of expected ups and downs he gets lumped with "not good enough" tags. 

[London Blue]

1 hour ago, Hafnia said:

He just needs the squad to be in a place whereby fans aren't treating him as some sort of undiscovered gem that Carlo needs to use in order for us to transform.

Our fans aren't the most patient with young homegrown talent so he needs to be a support act who grows with the team rather than become a Tom Davies where he is used as a replacement for expensive misfiring players.... Then because of expected ups and downs he gets lumped with "not good enough" tags. 

I agree, we do put too much pressure on our young players. We believe the hype then get angry when they do not play like Messi from the get go.

But I just think that players of his age need first team football, at a good level. If he were playing week in and out at a prem team like Brighton, Fulham, Palace or even Norwich, Swansea or Bournemouth in the Championship he would have a better chance to develop than if he were a rarely used squad player with us.