Shukes Posted October 1, 2019 Report Share Posted October 1, 2019 42 minutes ago, nogs said: So we're either signing the wrong type of characters or our last three managers have been utterly uninspiring Not sure which one it is either, but there is something not right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted October 1, 2019 Report Share Posted October 1, 2019 8 hours ago, nogs said: But what does the last 5 years matter? I'm talking about now and the fact that young players can't get in our side even though we're not very good! Leicester - Chilwell, Barnes, Choudary Chelsea - Abrahams, Mount, Tomori, Loftus-Cheek Man Utd - Rashford, Lingard, McTominay, Tuanzebe, Greenwood, (Pogba) Arsenal - Maitland-Niles, Nelson, Willock, Saka have all played in the Prem this year. I cba looking up West Ham but when you add Liverpool, City and Spurs, that's 7 clubs. Anyway, my point is not to get drawn into a debate about whether our current youngsters are good enough for the Prem. IMO we are stood still as a club atm, potentially in danger of going backwards, and two key areas I think always need looking at when that happens is youth development and recruitment. For one thing, I don't think there's enough competition for places in our squad to keep certain 'senior pros' on their toes, and for that reason alone I'd like to see more youngsters coming through. I use the 5 year analogy because I am looking at the most recent young lads to come through at a time when more and more money is coming into the game. I also said week in week out regular starters over a period of years. You have Chilwell and Rashford. McTominay is on the cusp under Solksjear but he wont play when they sign more players. The rest are just like Davies and Kenny and what may or may not be Dowell next season. When you consider we had Barkley come through before that its not shabby at all. Its in line with all of those clubs you have mentioned. Where do you also draw the line for competition for places. We signed 3 number 10's a couple of seasons back! I would agree about some lopsided recruitment and I think Brands is addressing that issue. We are stood still because the players and the managers that we have signed over the last few years haven't bee good enough and that is the bottom line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nogs Posted October 1, 2019 Report Share Posted October 1, 2019 38 minutes ago, Bailey said: I use the 5 year analogy because I am looking at the most recent young lads to come through at a time when more and more money is coming into the game. I also said week in week out regular starters over a period of years. You have Chilwell and Rashford. McTominay is on the cusp under Solksjear but he wont play when they sign more players. The rest are just like Davies and Kenny and what may or may not be Dowell next season. When you consider we had Barkley come through before that its not shabby at all. Its in line with all of those clubs you have mentioned. Where do you also draw the line for competition for places. We signed 3 number 10's a couple of seasons back! I would agree about some lopsided recruitment and I think Brands is addressing that issue. We are stood still because the players and the managers that we have signed over the last few years haven't bee good enough and that is the bottom line. Barnes is playing every game for Leicester. McTominay has played loads for Man Utd over the past year plus and has been widely rated as one of their better players through a generally shit period. Mount, Abraham aren't going anywhere. Anyway, you make my point for me. "The players we have signed have not been good enough" - so why are we sticking with them rather than blood youngsters? And using the three 10s we signed is a strange point to make coz two of them have been shipped out because they are shit and the mega bucks star should be dropped coz he is badly out of form, but we apparently don't have anyone else! I agree that recruitment has been a massive problem. And I go back to the point Shukes makes, for whatever reason we're not signing players with the hunger or personality to improve us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUnderToff Posted October 2, 2019 Report Share Posted October 2, 2019 The 18-20yr old players that make it into a top half premier league team are pretty rare (or in an "unsexy" position). Take a look at where the majority of our current starters were at 18 - 20. They were playing regularly, in lower leagues/teams. Richarlison's are rare enough, but even he went via Fluminense and Watford. Mount and Tomori spent 2-3 years on loan. Sancho had to leave. Regular, senior, competitive football is a critical part of their development. We're holding on to kids for too long in u18s & u23s. If we think they're potentially good enough but aren't willing to risk playing/developing them, then we need to be loaning them out. Whether you think he's good enough or not, don't think anyone can argue that DCL hasn't improved since getting increased senior minutes. Sibdane 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted October 2, 2019 Report Share Posted October 2, 2019 On 01/10/2019 at 21:37, nogs said: Barnes is playing every game for Leicester. McTominay has played loads for Man Utd over the past year plus and has been widely rated as one of their better players through a generally shit period. Mount, Abraham aren't going anywhere. Anyway, you make my point for me. "The players we have signed have not been good enough" - so why are we sticking with them rather than blood youngsters? And using the three 10s we signed is a strange point to make coz two of them have been shipped out because they are shit and the mega bucks star should be dropped coz he is badly out of form, but we apparently don't have anyone else! I agree that recruitment has been a massive problem. And I go back to the point Shukes makes, for whatever reason we're not signing players with the hunger or personality to improve us. Last season DCL was playing every game for us. Davies was playing every game a couple of seasons ago. Just because they are playing now it doesn't mean they are going to make a career at that club. Most youngsters come in, do well and then fade out. Look at Winks, playing roughly every other game for Spurs but their fans are turning on him now. Utd fans wouldn't want McTominay if they had a half decent player to replace him with. Rashford is probably the same. Mount and Abraham might have great careers at Chelsea but they could just as easily end up at West Ham in a couple of seasons. All of our young lads have had a decent amount of first team action and I don't think any of them are good enough to be high end Premiership footballers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted October 11, 2019 Report Share Posted October 11, 2019 https://www.evertonfc.com/news/1414567/watch-evertons-davies-in-emotional-meeting-with-liverpool-fan StevO and MikeO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 Captained England U21s to 5-1 win tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted October 16, 2019 Report Share Posted October 16, 2019 12 hours ago, MikeO said: Captained England U21s to 5-1 win tonight. Played the entire match and ran the midfield. Shukes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plaidharper Posted October 19, 2019 Report Share Posted October 19, 2019 https://twitter.com/dogmaticdavies/status/1185526130452942848?s=21 Don’t see them as the same types of players but that tweet made me lol. Sibdane, Bailey and pete0 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted October 19, 2019 Report Share Posted October 19, 2019 Thought he did very well today, finish aside. Always turning and looking forward, working hard and some good one touch play. Wasn’t a perfect performance by any means but it was miles better than the other 2 that have sat in the middle MikeO, Shukes and StevO 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted October 19, 2019 Report Share Posted October 19, 2019 I agree. He was definitely on the same level as Morgan and Delph. Deserves to start next week Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted October 19, 2019 Report Share Posted October 19, 2019 2 hours ago, plaidharper said: https://twitter.com/dogmaticdavies/status/1185526130452942848?s=21 Don’t see them as the same types of players but that tweet made me lol. Declan Rice is overrated pap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post London Blue Posted October 19, 2019 Popular Post Report Share Posted October 19, 2019 I am a Davies fan and thought he played well, what I liked is his fast, accurate passing that always looked to get us going forward. He had one of the best records for both passes made and accuracy in the match. Much better than Morgan who takes an eternity to pass the ball, which usually involves a turn on the ball, a look around, then a pass back to a defender. His partnership with Gomes looks good with both taking turns getting forward while the other covered. Definitely deserves a run in the side. DownUnderToff, Wiggytop, Matt and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted October 22, 2019 Report Share Posted October 22, 2019 https://www.clubcall.com/premier-league/everton/2019/10/21/silva-reserves-special-praise-for-evertons-davies/ The West Ham game was probably only the second game I have ever thought "yeah, there's a player in there." I really hope that he goes on to prove me wrong about all I've said about him. I'd love nothing more than for a lad to come through the academy and be an integral player for us (and save us millions in the process). London Blue and barryj 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted October 22, 2019 Report Share Posted October 22, 2019 https://www.football365.com/news/premier-league-winners-and-losers-120 Quote It has been a rotten 2019 for Davies, who before Saturday had not started a Premier League match since February 6. The issue seemed to be one of circumstance rather than failure of effort or ability. Marco Silva describes him as an excellent box-to-box midfielder, but with three attacking midfielders behind a striker, Everton’s manager has preferred two more defensive midfielders to hold the fort. Saturday was evidence of why Davies could be so vital. So far this season, Everton have looked stunted in possession. Fabian Delph and Morgan Schneiderlin, with 11 league starts between them, might be effective screens for the defence but they are far less mobile and tend to both play safe, sideways passes. It’s all very well having four attacking players on the pitch, but if they have to drop so deep to pick up the ball that the opposition can easily get organised then it becomes counter-productive. Judging Everton on one performance would be hasty, particularly given how poor West Ham played, but Silva deserves credit for the success of his plan. Richarlison, Bernard, Theo Walcott and Alex Iwobi were told to press high up the pitch to win possession, meaning that Everton stopped inviting their opponents onto them as they have at times this season. Richarlison, Bernard and Walcott made nine tackles between them. Gylfi Sigurdsson was dropped, but still made the difference coming off the bench. Silva still needs to get the balance right. Andre Gomes and Davies were both booked and both are more progressive midfielders than holders. The loss of Idrissa Gueye and subsequent injury to Jean-Philippe Gbamin at least partly explains Everton’s poor form, and Gbamin is likely to be out until January. But there’s no doubt that Davies’ intensity gave Everton a lift, and his league start was long overdue. Would Silva consider switching to a 4-3-3 and playing three midfielders and wide forwards (Bernard and Iwobi) who had licence to drift infield and allow the full-backs to overlap? Matt and Sibdane 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted October 22, 2019 Report Share Posted October 22, 2019 13 hours ago, Romey 1878 said: https://www.football365.com/news/premier-league-winners-and-losers-120 I would love to see us play a 433 with a midfield of Gomes, Davies, and Gambin with a top 3 of Richarlison, Bernard and Iwobi. Competition from Walcott, Kean, DCL, Siggy, Delph, Morgan. We could really hurt allot of teams with that formation, IF we play with the same intensity and attitude as we did against West Ham. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryj Posted October 22, 2019 Report Share Posted October 22, 2019 14 hours ago, Romey 1878 said: https://www.clubcall.com/premier-league/everton/2019/10/21/silva-reserves-special-praise-for-evertons-davies/ The West Ham game was probably only the second game I have ever thought "yeah, there's a player in there." I really hope that he goes on to prove me wrong about all I've said about him. I'd love nothing more than for a lad to come through the academy and be an integral player for us (and save us millions in the process). I’m of exactly the same view. It was a strange game in that I don’t rate either Davies or Walcott particularly but both played really well. First game of the season (& maybe Wolves) where I sit that everyone around me was positive and there was a buzz after the game outside Goodson. I’ll be furious if Marco tinkers with that team for the next match unless there’s an injury. We need consistency and to send a message to the winning first 11 that if they play well and win then they’ll keep their place in the starting lineup next time out. Romey 1878 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted November 4, 2019 Report Share Posted November 4, 2019 Could be a make or break for Tom this next few months. With Gomes and Gbamin out he's bound to start a decent run of games. markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted November 5, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2019 I haven’t been his biggest fan but he has been great lately and I hope he continues to get better. We need a player like him playing for the shirt and not the paycheck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nogs Posted November 5, 2019 Report Share Posted November 5, 2019 He's going to have a huge amount of responsibility on his shoulders linking with the forward line if Silva goes with Schneiderlin and Delph, which seems likely. He deserves a run of games and I'll be fuming if Silva drops him to revert to the Delph-Schneiderlin-Sigurdsson abomination. Matt and London Blue 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nogs Posted November 5, 2019 Report Share Posted November 5, 2019 As an aside, I'm guessing one of the U23s will have to step up as cover as we're really short in midfield now. Beni seems most likely, but is he too similar to Delph/Schneiderlin? Anyone else with a bit more creativity who is ready for some game time from the bench? Evans, Charsley? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted November 5, 2019 Report Share Posted November 5, 2019 1 hour ago, nogs said: As an aside, I'm guessing one of the U23s will have to step up as cover as we're really short in midfield now. Beni seems most likely, but is he too similar to Delph/Schneiderlin? Anyone else with a bit more creativity who is ready for some game time from the bench? Evans, Charsley? Got to be Gordon, surely? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted November 5, 2019 Report Share Posted November 5, 2019 Apparently he was subbed off against Spurs because he was throwing up due to Gomes' injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nogs Posted November 5, 2019 Report Share Posted November 5, 2019 1 hour ago, Romey 1878 said: Got to be Gordon, surely? Though Gordon played as more of a forward? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted November 5, 2019 Report Share Posted November 5, 2019 29 minutes ago, nogs said: Though Gordon played as more of a forward? Just with you wanting creativity in there I was suggesting Gordon. Didn't we release Charsley in the summer but then gave him another year and have been letting him play with the U23s so he can showcase himself or something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nogs Posted November 5, 2019 Report Share Posted November 5, 2019 1 hour ago, Romey 1878 said: Just with you wanting creativity in there I was suggesting Gordon. Didn't we release Charsley in the summer but then gave him another year and have been letting him play with the U23s so he can showcase himself or something? I dunno the ins and outs of it but yeah he was released and re-signed. One things for sure if we get another injury in midfield before Xmas one of the kids will get a chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nogs Posted November 5, 2019 Report Share Posted November 5, 2019 2 hours ago, TallPaul1878 said: I can't see Tom coming in to replace Gomes. Honestly I think he would be better suited to spending a season abroad, like Lookman, but hopefully not leaving. If it were me I would be dropping Gylfi into centre mid alongside Delph/Schneids and playing Iwobi as the number 10 if we are gonna stick with 4-2-3-1. At least Gylfi will have a forward pass in him and is a hard worker I really don't see Sigurdsson playing a deeper role. I mean we might have to try it, but even then we'd need Davies as backup. I see him playing a lot of football for us the rest of this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted November 5, 2019 Report Share Posted November 5, 2019 3 hours ago, nogs said: I really don't see Sigurdsson playing a deeper role. I mean we might have to try it, but even then we'd need Davies as backup. I see him playing a lot of football for us the rest of this season. If he keeps playing balls like the one for Walcott in the second half against Spurs you’ll be right. That was sexy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted November 5, 2019 Report Share Posted November 5, 2019 What a pass this was btw MikeO, Romey 1878 and markjazzbassist 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted November 5, 2019 Report Share Posted November 5, 2019 4 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said: If he keeps playing balls like the one for Walcott in the second half against Spurs you’ll be right. That was sexy. Just now, duncanmckenzieismagic said: What a pass this was btw And you helpfully provide the proof Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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