Ronald Koeman

[MC11]

To be honest, I'm glad you disagree because you're serially wrong on pretty much everything that has to do with football.

Thanks mate. Maybe you should follow someone in Finland because your knowledge is the same standard as the football over there.

[Makis]

Why shouldn't we be competing with those teams. We were up there before Mongo took over. End of the day there's very good players in our side, if we add two or three first teamers there's no reason why we shouldn't be able to compete for a top 6 spot.

We finished fifth (Martinez) and sixth, true, but before that twice seventh and eight before that. Bear in mind, Spurs have got their act together and at the moment their squad is much better than ours (with money to spend this summer, too). Liverpool has also been a mess, now Klopp has had a full season and I think most people expect them to improve. Beating Rodgers's Liverpool is a bit different than beating Klopp's Liverpool. Manchester clubs have arguable the two best managers in the world now and both will spend heavily in the transfer market - much more than we will even with Moshiri's money. Arsenal has a much stronger squad and they already spent 40 million to further improve it. Chelsea will also improve and Conte has a reputation of making teams better.

 

But to finish higher than 7th at least one of those teams must fail - let's face it, them finishing 7th or worse would be a much bigger fail for them than for us.

[Makis]

Thanks mate. Maybe you should follow someone in Finland because your knowledge is the same standard as the football over there.

Ha ha. Says the man who would take De Boer over all the other candidates just because. You have offered no reasons at all. This is understandable because there are none.

[MC11]

We finished fifth (Martinez) and sixth, true, but before that twice seventh and eight before that. Bear in mind, Spurs have got their act together and at the moment their squad is much better than ours (with money to spend this summer, too). Liverpool has also been a mess, now Klopp has had a full season and I think most people expect them to improve. Beating Rodgers's Liverpool is a bit different than beating Klopp's Liverpool. Manchester clubs have arguable the two best managers in the world now and both will spend heavily in the transfer market - much more than we will even with Moshiri's money. Arsenal has a much stronger squad and they already spent 40 million to further improve it. Chelsea will also improve and Conte has a reputation of making teams better.

 

But to finish higher than 7th at least one of those teams must fail - let's face it, them finishing 7th or worse would be a much bigger fail for them than for us.

Last season was the most open season in years. Nobody has got their act together.... That's why Leicester won the league. The EPL is so open at the moment anybody can break that top 6.

[MC11]

Ha ha. Says the man who would take De Boer over all the other candidates just because. You have offered no reasons at all. This is understandable because there are none.

There are no reasons why Everton should hire De Boer? That makes sense. End of chat. You're clueless.

[Makis]

Things will be different next season. City destroyed their season when they announced Guardiola. Van Gaal was miserable and lost the dressing room. Klopp had just gone to the RS and the squad was a mess (I expect them to improve it this summer). Mourinho likewise had lost the dressing room at Chelsea. There were so many things happening at once.

[Makis]

There are no reasons why Everton should hire De Boer? That makes sense. End of chat. You're clueless.

No, there are no reasons why De Boer would be better than, say, Emery.

[MC11]

No, there are no reasons why De Boer would be better than, say, Emery.

Can you please refrain from talking bollocks? Whilst Emery is a good candidate he's won 3 Europa League titles and nothing else (so we can say he's a cup specialist - for now). I like him but I prefer De Boer. That's my opinion right now. De Boer won four league titles on the spin. That's enough for me. 4 in a row proves he's no bluffer. De Boer is also a bigger name than Emery. He could attract better player IMO and bring in top back room staff.

Edited May 23, 2016 by MC11

[Makis]

Neil Lennon won the title three times which probably makes him a good candidate in your papers.

 

As a reminder, Emery has managed teams that need to sell their best players sgainst Barca, Real and Athletico. Just just spout shite when you think einninh the Dutch league is somehow a bigger accomplishment. De Boer in fact managed to loose the last two titles. And McLaren has won the bloody Dutch title so maybe we should appoint him?

[Newty82]

Ha...it is a bit of a tarnish on the Dutch league that McClaren won it!!! Unfortunately!

 

No point arguing over the 2 candidates. I think, overall, Emery has a more reliable history. De Boer is still maybe a bit raw.

 

Given the 2...I'd have Emery.

 

Not long ago, I was well up for De Boer but I've had some uncomfortable readings on him. I think he needs to do what he planned and take a year out, travel around, see different set ups, then come back with new ideas.

 

But at the end of the day, both will be new to the PL which is a different beast to the other leagues.

 

Risk is all around!!!

[MikeO]

And as I said, this season was a blip.

Nineteen games is a very long blip.

 

On the logic that league form counts for little if you win a cup then presumably Roberto would still be in charge for us had he not (unfortunately in both cases) lost the two semis and gone on to win one of them.

 

Loads of Evertonians wanted us to lose in the cups because they wanted to be rid of our manager due to his league form being so poor.

 

Now people want to employ someone who will sacrifice league form to win a cup.

 

Don't get it.

 

He may come in and be totally brilliant, hope he is (if he gets the job) and I'll be 100% behind him, even if he has a shit away record and people turn on him for it, but that's just me.

[Hafnia]

What the fuck is a cup specialist??? Does a different game get played in the Cups?

 

Is it like American pool vs UK pool where the balls are bigger?

 

Forgive me for thinkin it's a game of football played over 90 minutes...

[Newty82]

Nineteen games is a very long blip.

 

On the logic that league form counts for little if you win a cup then presumably Roberto would still be in charge for us had he not (unfortunately in both cases) lost the two semis and gone on to win one of them.

 

Loads of Evertonians wanted us to lose in the cups because they wanted to be rid of our manager due to his league form being so poor.

 

Now people want to employ someone who will sacrifice league form to win a cup.

 

Don't get it.

 

He may come in and be totally brilliant, hope he is (if he gets the job) and I'll be 100% behind him, even if he has a shit away record and people turn on him for it, but that's just me.

The away thing is an unusual one really, isn't it? As you said earlier, it's hard to say what has gone on unless you follow LA Liga very closely.

 

But the away form is only half the story. They still finished a respectable 7th. And 5th for 2 years before.

 

Bit of a different scenario than with Martinez at Everton. He was wanted out based on 2 years of below expectation finishes. I think if Roberto had won the Europa 3 years on the run, got us 5th in the first 2 years then 7th with a shit away record...we'd be fine with that! I doubt anyone would call for his sacking based in that. With Martinez it's overall form for 2 years with nothing to show...with Emery it's shit away form for one season with 2 Europa Cups and CL qualification.

 

The calls for Roberto were an accumulation of elements not going the way they should or being as they could be.

 

Who knows how it would have turned out? Look at LVG, won the FA Cup...gets sacked 2 days later!

[MC11]

What the fuck is a cup specialist??? Does a different game get played in the Cups?

Is it like American pool vs UK pool where the balls are bigger?

Forgive me for thinkin it's a game of football played over 90 minutes...

Exactly wat it says on the tin, managers who have more success in one off knock out games than successive fixtures. There's plenty of mangers out there who have more success in these knockout games than they do over a competition that last a full campaign.

[Hafnia]

Exactly wat it says on the tin, managers who have more success in one off knock out games than successive fixtures. There's plenty of mangers out there who have more success in these knockout games than they do over a competition that last a full campaign.

I understand what it is... I just don't believe it.

[Lowensda]

How far we've come.

Everton next manager betting
2013
Martinez 7/4
Lennon 3/1
Neville 6/1
Mackay 8/1

2016
Pellegrini 7/4
Emery 5/2
De Boer 4/1
Koeman 5/1

Edited May 24, 2016 by Lowensda

[London Blue]

How are we've come.

 

Everton next manager betting

2013

Martinez 7/4

Lennon 3/1

Neville 6/1

Mackay 8/1

 

2016

Pellegrini 7/4

Emery 5/2

De Boer 4/1

Koeman 5/1

It's amazing what a billionaire investor can do for you.

[RuffRob]

It's the massive TV money pot and massive wages that is bring Europe's elite managers to the premiership. I am not sure a billionaire investor is going to elevate our relative spending power that much, most clubs now have one. I think our new investor will be on to a massive winner if the Commonwealth stadium scenario comes off. Our investor has a foot in the door, this stadium may make the difference between it being swung open, or the foot being pulled out. Seems a strange coincident finally the sale of club shares to an investor and talk of a commonwealth stadium.

 

My hope is that Moshiri is basically paving the way for the main investment of his big mate Alisher Usmonov who doen't apper as if he will ever get control of Arsenal. i.e Moshiri will test the water with Everton to ensure its going be worth Usmonov selling his Arsenal stake and commiting to a full Everton buy out. Try before you buy so to say. I can't understand why Usmonov would want to stay invested in Arsenal if there is anothr shareholder calling all the shots. If you are the richest Russian in the world, would you really be happy being controlled by and American shareholder.

 

I think this TV money is going to be a massive leveller of teams, but that works both ways. Yes, we could level up with teams above us, but just as likely teams below could level up with us?

 

In these changing times, if the foxes and spur are battling it for the league title and Chelsea finish mid table, there may be a much finer line between challenging for a European place and fighting relegation.

 

This summers appointments and changes at the club are going to be massive. This time three years ago, our new manager inherited a very good team with great spirit, something to build from. That is not the case this time.

[chalkpie]

Can you feel the love tonight?

 

Not on this fuckin thread

[markjazzbassist]

How are we've come.

 

Everton next manager betting

2013

Martinez 7/4

Lennon 3/1

Neville 6/1

Mackay 8/1

 

2016

Pellegrini 7/4

Emery 5/2

De Boer 4/1

Koeman 5/1

To be candid Martinez was the best of that bunch and I did want him. Sad he didn't pan out well.

 

Loving the bottom 4 (except de boer).

[EFC-Paul]

It's the massive TV money pot and massive wages that is bring Europe's elite managers to the premiership. I am not sure a billionaire investor is going to elevate our relative spending power that much, most clubs now have one. I think our new investor will be on to a massive winner if the Commonwealth stadium scenario comes off. Our investor has a foot in the door, this stadium may make the difference between it being swung open, or the foot being pulled out. Seems a strange coincident finally the sale of club shares to an investor and talk of a commonwealth stadium.

 

My hope is that Moshiri is basically paving the way for the main investment of his big mate Alisher Usmonov who doen't apper as if he will ever get control of Arsenal. i.e Moshiri will test the water with Everton to ensure its going be worth Usmonov selling his Arsenal stake and commiting to a full Everton buy out. Try before you buy so to say. I can't understand why Usmonov would want to stay invested in Arsenal if there is anothr shareholder calling all the shots. If you are the richest Russian in the world, would you really be happy being controlled by and American shareholder.

 

I think this TV money is going to be a massive leveller of teams, but that works both ways. Yes, we could level up with teams above us, but just as likely teams below could level up with us?

 

In these changing times, if the foxes and spur are battling it for the league title and Chelsea finish mid table, there may be a much finer line between challenging for a European place and fighting relegation.

 

This summers appointments and changes at the club are going to be massive. This time three years ago, our new manager inherited a very good team with great spirit, something to build from. That is not the case this time.

Usmanov has already stated his intentions on staying at Arsenal after buying Moshiri's shares

 

He deems them a successful "sports business project" which they are and they dwarf us in terms of revenue's and profit hence why he's very likely to stay put sadly as I'd love it to happen but I just can't see it

[Chach]

Usmanov has already stated his intentions on staying at Arsenal after buying Moshiri's shares

 

He deems them a successful "sports business project" which they are and they dwarf us in terms of revenue's and profit hence why he's very likely to stay put sadly as I'd love it to happen but I just can't see it

 

I wouldn't place too much weight on what Usmanov said publicly, can't see how much longer he would want to own 30% of a club he has zero control over, he doesn't seem to see eye to eye with the rest of the board and he could get a way better better ROI if he put the rest of that 300 mill + into EFC.

Edited May 24, 2016 by Chach

[Paddock]

 

Bit of a different scenario than with Martinez at Everton. He was wanted out based on 2 years of below expectation finishes. I think if Roberto had won the Europa 3 years on the run, got us 5th in the first 2 years then 7th with a shit away record...we'd be fine with that! I doubt anyone would call for his sacking based in that. With Martinez it's overall form for 2 years with nothing to show...with Emery it's shit away form for one season with 2 Europa Cups and CL qualification.

!

Yep, spot on. If we finished 5th 5th and 7th over next 3 season and won EL 3 on the spin the fella would have a stand named after him. It's that simple. Shit away record or not.

[Paddock]

Can you feel the love tonight?

 

Not on this fuckin thread

Everyones scrapping, it's funny isn't it. It's always so civil unless MC, myself or Newrty are having handbags at dawn. It's like a mass brawl in here

[Newty82]

Everyones scrapping, it's funny isn't it. It's always so civil unless MC, myself or Newrty are having handbags at dawn. It's like a mass brawl in here

Haha.

 

I took myself away to Tesco for some milk and kitchen roll...came fresh and calm.

 

I'm feeling the love now.

[Paddock]

Haha.

 

I took myself away to Tesco for some milk and kitchen roll...came fresh and calm.

 

I'm feeling the love now.

I fancied u to be the type of fella who shops in Waitrose Newty.

[RuffRob]

Exactly, he is not going to say anything different than he is fully behind Arsenal.

 

Usmanov is the richest Russian in the world, has he really bought it to the Premiership to make a few £100M from his investment. I think he now knows he is NEVER going to get majority control of Arsenal. Would Usmanov like to take over a club and knock Arsenal and Cheslea etc down a peg or two? fingers crossed.

 

The fact Moshiri is at Goodison, it shows intent for Everton of selling the controlling percentage of the club, it could also allow Moshiri (maybe Usmanov in future) to show they are buying Everton with intent of a proper investment in infrastructure and squad development. Kenwright has been very careful in ensuring the 'right' investor buys Everton - if something like this is the case, you would have to say it would be a bit of a masterstroke. - How's that for positive!!!

[StevO]

Maybe Moshiri is just a proxy for Usmanov? Buy the shares at a reasonable price, get his foot in the door, buy Bill and Woods out at a pre agreed price then sell half of it to his mate under the radar.

 

In terms of management, I don't buy any idea that Emery forfeited league games for cup games, he didn't do it in his previous seasons looking at the stats. Maybe it was just a season of poor away form.

I still like the idea of De Boer too, but only with him bringing Stam and Bergkamp, but I keep hearing they aren't coming with him. That's sort of putting me off him a bit, I think as a package deal they look ideal.

I'd rather a blood and thunder style of play, I'd expect that more with Emery.

 

Biggest summer in our recent history I think, very excited either way. We've seen other clubs bring in five or six players while we pick up one on deadline day, we never dropped behind in terms of league place, but we rarely got that excitement. I think we will this year. I'll be just as excited to see players leave as I will to see them arrive. Can't wait until it all starts.

[JoeQuince]

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/david-moyes-tells-alan-stubbs-11376217

 

Please, God, no. If Kenwright forces Moyes back in, I can see a fan revolt.

[Romey 1878]

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/david-moyes-tells-alan-stubbs-11376217

Please, God, no. If Kenwright forces Moyes back in, I can see a fan revolt.

No, no, no, NO!