sydneyneil Posted December 4, 2018 Report Share Posted December 4, 2018 Gueye's a good defensive midfielder. He didn't have a good game in the Derby but overall he's been good this season. He just doesn't have the quality on the ball required to get to the next level. It's more obvious with Gomes alongside him too. There's nothing more frustrating than giving the ball away under no pressure and he can epitomise that sometimes. The difference in quality players (or someone like Gomes) is that they keep the ball when they are under pressure. Unfortunately Gueye will never possess this quality but he is definitely the best we have right now and he will suffice for a push to the top 6. Beyond that though, we need an upgrade. Palfy, Sev and Bailey 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted December 4, 2018 Report Share Posted December 4, 2018 1 hour ago, hafnia said: I didn't point out anything good he done all game.... I actually pointed out he played mane through in second half. I'm writing it off as a bad game where you had already written him off as a bad player. That's the issue. Not so much bad just not good enough to get us where we want to be, the good thing about having Gomes in the team is he raises the bench mark and highlights the difference between good and average players, but he can’t get us there on his own we need people playing with him who can match him or we don’t move on, and wasn’t it you who said with Gomes we could be pushing for 2nd in the league we could but not with Gana by his side. In my opinion he has to many flaws in his game to take us to the next level, in your opinion he doesn’t great crack on I’m not upset by that I respect you views even though they differ from mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted December 5, 2018 Report Share Posted December 5, 2018 10 hours ago, Palfy said: Not so much bad just not good enough to get us where we want to be, the good thing about having Gomes in the team is he raises the bench mark and highlights the difference between good and average players, but he can’t get us there on his own we need people playing with him who can match him or we don’t move on, and wasn’t it you who said with Gomes we could be pushing for 2nd in the league we could but not with Gana by his side. In my opinion he has to many flaws in his game to take us to the next level, in your opinion he doesn’t great crack on I’m not upset by that I respect you views even though they differ from mine. Horses for courses simple as that. I dont expect Gomes to produce the same ball winning stats as Gana and I don't expect gana to show the same creativity and skills as Gomes. It's whether you see the necessity for a ball winner - I do. There will be a game soon where Gomes gives the ball away a lot more than we are used to seeing, where nothing goes right. Are We gonna write off Gomes? No. I'm more bothered about how our players react to bad games. Lukaku (sorry) used to hide and seemingly blame others. Gana doesn't hide.... nor do I think Gomes will just like Digne and Richarlison won't. Chach and Romey 1878 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted December 5, 2018 Report Share Posted December 5, 2018 Who is everyone back here. I posted weeks ago that they are waiting for him to have a bad game to justify their points. This is all expected. Pickford gives away a howler.... that not only gave away a clear chance, but also a goal, and also the points... along with bragging rights and more hurt. But we all knew this would be the busiest thread, as they have been able to scrape a tiny bit of egg of their faces. Let it go. Let it go. Blah blah blah! edit: to be fair Haf... Gomes had an awful start to the game and gave away their first chance. He gave the ball away four times in the opening ten minutes. But then he upped his game and turned in a masterful appearance. Gana had a truly awful first half. Mainly passing the ball forward. But had a decent second half and snuffed it two clear chances for them. Hafnia and Matt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted December 5, 2018 Report Share Posted December 5, 2018 Wake me up so I don’t miss the game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted December 5, 2018 Report Share Posted December 5, 2018 1 minute ago, Palfy said: Wake me up so I don’t miss the game Ye you go to sleep.... I’ll wake you... honestly. This thread wouldn’t be what it is without you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted December 5, 2018 Report Share Posted December 5, 2018 Good how this thread has progressed in the last twelve months though. Gana isn’t a premier league player. Ok he is now, but he won’t get us any higher. Ok he has got us higher but he can’t play against top six teams. Ok he can now, he’s proved that but he isn’t good enough to get us into Europe. ok we’re heading there now, but once Gomes plays he’ll be out the team. Ok he’s been credited with being integral with Gomes but he isn’t good enough to get us second! See we told you so! next it will be.... we told you he would never win the Ballon Dor! So he’s not good enough for us. Matt, MikeO and Hafnia 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted December 5, 2018 Report Share Posted December 5, 2018 29 minutes ago, Shukes said: Ye you go to sleep.... I’ll wake you... honestly. This thread wouldn’t be what it is without you Cheers mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted December 5, 2018 Report Share Posted December 5, 2018 Shukes mate you need to take a breath rewind and have a look at the post to see who started this shit storm again, and let me tell you something it wasn’t me or PeteO, so before you go making accusations because you’ve come in near the end go back 9 or 10 posts, because your very wrong with I said weeks ago if he had a bad game they would start. I do except apologies but I’m not going to hold my breath till I get one but in future please follow the whole picture, and you could help the planet with our carbon footprint if you get my meaning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted December 5, 2018 Report Share Posted December 5, 2018 I do apologise if I missed who started it. I’ll be honest, I didnt read all the way back as it was just a rehash if what’s been said a million times. But I do appologise if that’s the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted December 5, 2018 Report Share Posted December 5, 2018 Hmm you tricked me there again Palfy. I read back to the first post after the match. Ye it was you mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted December 7, 2018 Report Share Posted December 7, 2018 markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted December 7, 2018 Report Share Posted December 7, 2018 To me that just highlights how bad we are as a team, you don’t see any players from the top teams there have you ever wondered why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MikeO Posted December 7, 2018 Popular Post Report Share Posted December 7, 2018 33 minutes ago, Palfy said: To me that just highlights how bad we are as a team, you don’t see any players from the top teams there have you ever wondered why. This probably explains why Leicester were so shit in 15/16! markjazzbassist, Hafnia, Shukes and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted December 7, 2018 Report Share Posted December 7, 2018 Since then Azpilicueta, Lucas Leiva, Fernandinho, Kanté (for Chelsea), James Milner, Nacho Monreal, Victor Wanyama and Kanté (again) have been in the top ten tacklers in the league over a season. Shukes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted December 7, 2018 Report Share Posted December 7, 2018 41 minutes ago, Palfy said: To me that just highlights how bad we are as a team, you don’t see any players from the top teams there have you ever wondered why. Kante? Every top team has a ball-winner. Stat must be wrong though, no way he could make that amount of tackles as he has no positional sense apparently... Shukes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted December 7, 2018 Report Share Posted December 7, 2018 1 hour ago, Matt said: Kante? Every top team has a ball-winner. Stat must be wrong though, no way he could make that amount of tackles as he has no positional sense apparently... So why aren’t those teams in the pic posted in the top six 3 aren’t even in the top half, the reason being the top 6 don’t want that enviable position of constantly having to win the ball back they prefer to have players with better ability who don’t constantly give the ball away so aren’t relying on someone who is just a ball winner, to me that’s not a stat to be proud of the one to be proud of is not giving the ball away so much and having good the best possession, against Newcastle Gana was a bystander contribution 0 because we had so much possession he had fuck all to offer he was a waste of a player. Yeah great have him on when we need a ball winner against the better clubs he should then be able to make a contribution, but to have him on against teams that we are going to dominate possession in then we don’t need him he has got the ability to be a play maker so becomes obsolete as was proven against Newcastle I think it was Haf who said we would have been better off with Davies in place of Gana and I totally agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted December 7, 2018 Report Share Posted December 7, 2018 1 hour ago, MikeO said: This probably explains why Leicester were so shit in 15/16! Ok Mike what’s the comparison between the Leicester team that won the league and us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted December 7, 2018 Report Share Posted December 7, 2018 1 hour ago, MikeO said: Since then Azpilicueta, Lucas Leiva, Fernandinho, Kanté (for Chelsea), James Milner, Nacho Monreal, Victor Wanyama and Kanté (again) have been in the top ten tacklers in the league over a season. And all of them possess more ability with the ball when in possession he’s a one trick pony he can tackle end of that’s it done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted December 7, 2018 Report Share Posted December 7, 2018 Ffs this thread is tiring. Gana is a fuckin ball winner ... he isn'tt the most gifted footballer in the team.... he gets picked cos he wins possession. Would I have played a more creative player ahead of him against a park the bus side? Yes. But why the fuck are we talking about gana again??? Why not take it to the Marco Silva thread.... Gana doesn't pick himself - blame the shitty manager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted December 7, 2018 Report Share Posted December 7, 2018 43 minutes ago, Palfy said: Ok Mike what’s the comparison between the Leicester team that won the league and us. I wasn't making one, you just asked "have you ever wondered why" there were no players from decent teams making a lot of tackles and so I just pointed out in two posts that that question was based on an inaccurate assumption. So then you move the goalposts and talk about his ability with the ball. No he's never going to beat seven men and score a worldie but he might just make a challenge and give it to someone who can. nyblue23 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnh Posted December 7, 2018 Report Share Posted December 7, 2018 5 minutes ago, MikeO said: I wasn't making one, you just asked "have you ever wondered why" there were no players from decent teams making a lot of tackles and so I just pointed out in two posts that that question was based on an inaccurate assumption. So then you move the goalposts and talk about his ability with the ball. No he's never going to beat seven men and score a worldie but he might just make a challenge and give it to someone who can. Mike, I agree with the general principal of what you say but the problem is, there is no one to give it to who can. Maybe Siggy, occasionally , but that's it. Last game, 18 attempts on goal, 14 corners (don't know how many free kicks) and 1 goal. Stats that are getting very familiar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted December 7, 2018 Report Share Posted December 7, 2018 1 minute ago, johnh said: Mike, I agree with the general principal of what you say but the problem is, there is no one to give it to who can. Maybe Siggy, occasionally , but that's it. Yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted December 7, 2018 Report Share Posted December 7, 2018 1 hour ago, Palfy said: So why aren’t those teams in the pic posted in the top six 3 aren’t even in the top half, the reason being the top 6 don’t want that enviable position of constantly having to win the ball back they prefer to have players with better ability who don’t constantly give the ball away so aren’t relying on someone who is just a ball winner, to me that’s not a stat to be proud of the one to be proud of is not giving the ball away so much and having good the best possession, against Newcastle Gana was a bystander contribution 0 because we had so much possession he had fuck all to offer he was a waste of a player. Yeah great have him on when we need a ball winner against the better clubs he should then be able to make a contribution, but to have him on against teams that we are going to dominate possession in then we don’t need him he has got the ability to be a play maker so becomes obsolete as was proven against Newcastle I think it was Haf who said we would have been better off with Davies in place of Gana and I totally agree. Because the season is only a third old? Are you ignoring that Kanté has 2 titles to his name in 4 years in the Premier League?! Riddle me this... if the ball is lost in midfield, and no team is infallible, how do teams win? There is a logic in the best teams don’t lose the ball, but it’s a false logic. The real proof is how quickly the ball is won back so they can attack again. Gana does that for us, just like Kante does for Chelsea. Just like Kante doesn’t score the goals for the points, but rather gets the ball back so others can. Our problem is putting the ball in the net, not winning the ball back. What is it with this forum expecting specialists in their field to be something they’re not?! MikeO, markjazzbassist and Romey 1878 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted December 7, 2018 Report Share Posted December 7, 2018 Slowly but surly im getting the same feeling before I click on this thread that I had with the Lukaku thread before it was moved to the depths of toffeetalk. Bailey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted December 8, 2018 Report Share Posted December 8, 2018 12 hours ago, Aidan said: Slowly but surly im getting the same feeling before I click on this thread that I had with the Lukaku thread before it was moved to the depths of toffeetalk. It does reemerge every now and then with me doing some top notch piss taking. If I could I would change the lukaku thread to "haf told you so..." StevO and aaron 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted December 8, 2018 Report Share Posted December 8, 2018 21 hours ago, Matt said: Kante? Every top team has a ball-winner. Stat must be wrong though, no way he could make that amount of tackles as he has no positional sense apparently... Kante is a ball winner. Whereas Gana is a disruptor, when he takles it's 50/50 whether we get possession. He'd be better off holding position and being smarter in his tackling. Kante also isn'tt scared of the ball and helps move it forward. Kante's best attribute is that he reads the play the danger. Gana doesn't do that, Gana is more headless chicken. Chelsea scouts must have seen this difference otherwise why spend £40m when you could have got Gana for £6m. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted December 8, 2018 Report Share Posted December 8, 2018 1 hour ago, hafnia said: It does reemerge every now and then with me doing some top notch piss taking. If I could I would change the lukaku thread to "haf told you so..." Hahahahahahahahaha Matt, pete0 and Bailey 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted December 8, 2018 Report Share Posted December 8, 2018 4 hours ago, hafnia said: It does reemerge every now and then with me doing some top notch piss taking. If I could I would change the lukaku thread to "haf told you so..." What did you tell? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted December 8, 2018 Report Share Posted December 8, 2018 4 hours ago, hafnia said: It does reemerge every now and then with me doing some top notch piss taking. If I could I would change the lukaku thread to "haf told you so..." Irony being you seem to be just as pompous as Lukaku. Palfy, StevO and Matt 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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