markjazzbassist Posted November 20, 2017 Report Share Posted November 20, 2017 Unsy has shown the players now have the drive and fight to come back 2 times in a row. He has the players behind him, he just needs to get the lineup and tactics right off the bat. 4 points in 2 matches is a good return. The next couple of matches are winnable as well, west ham and soton and huddersfield. 5 points acceptable but would prefer 6+ points from those 3 matches. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted November 20, 2017 Report Share Posted November 20, 2017 53 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said: Unsy has shown the players now have the drive and fight to come back 2 times in a row. He has the players behind him, he just needs to get the lineup and tactics right off the bat. 4 points in 2 matches is a good return. The next couple of matches are winnable as well, west ham and soton and huddersfield. 5 points acceptable but would prefer 6+ points from those 3 matches. We have been awful, and sadly for the reasons I stated earlier I don't see Unsworth as being able to solve our problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted November 20, 2017 Report Share Posted November 20, 2017 30 minutes ago, London Blue said: We have been awful, and sadly for the reasons I stated earlier I don't see Unsworth as being able to solve our problems. koeman last 5 matches 2 points, unsy 4 matches 4 points. my point being is if we are awful and unsy can get those points, imagine what we will do when we play well. it's going to happen, players seeing the vision, seeing the results, confidence is coming back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted November 20, 2017 Report Share Posted November 20, 2017 3 hours ago, London Blue said: OOOkkkk, I don't think Silva's nationality has anything to do with this, nor should it. When Silva took over Hull they had sold all their best players, had lost many games and were playing like a team already relegated. They were considered to be one of the weakest teams in the history of the premier league. Silva got them playing much better, they got results and almost stayed up which would have been the greatest escape in footballing history. At Sporting he won them their first cup in almost 7 years. At Olympiacos he engineered their longest winning run and won them the title, beat Arsenal in Europe. Watford, he has got them playing like a top 10 team, they were 17th last season. All in all a impressive record. I don't disagree with most of that but Phelan had also done well with what he had at Hull. They weren't playing like a team that were already relegated but Silva did make them much better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted November 20, 2017 Report Share Posted November 20, 2017 59 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said: koeman last 5 matches 2 points, unsy 4 matches 4 points. my point being is if we are awful and unsy can get those points, imagine what we will do when we play well. it's going to happen, players seeing the vision, seeing the results, confidence is coming back. I agree, Koeman was terrible and Unsy inherited a shambles, but in those matches we played a struggling Leicester, and a bottom of the table Palace. 6 points is the minimum I would have wanted from those fixtures. I don't see us playing well under Unsy, I don't think he has the respect of the "non-everton" senior players, buy that I mean those who have only been here a few seasons. He does not have the experience of managing experienced players. In all the games he has managed so far I have not seen an evolution in our play, I don't think he has a vision or preferred system he wants us to use. I hope I am wrong as I genuinely respect him and like him as a person from what I have seen and read about him. I want him to succeed but I just believe he is not ready yet and wont be till he manages his own club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sydneyneil Posted November 20, 2017 Report Share Posted November 20, 2017 The first thing that the manager should do when taking over a side that is leaking goals is shore up the defence. Unfortunately, we have conceded at least 2 goals in every one of Unsworth's games. We leaked two goals against a Palace side that is struggling to score, and that was with 2 defensive midfielders. Granted we hardly have Franco Baresi at the back, but a good manager would come in and get things tighter. I dont see any improvement in our defence or shape since Unsworth has come in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted November 20, 2017 Report Share Posted November 20, 2017 5 minutes ago, sydneyneil said: The first thing that the manager should do when taking over a side that is leaking goals is shore up the defence. Unfortunately, we have conceded at least 2 goals in every one of Unsworth's games. We leaked two goals against a Palace side that is struggling to score, and that was with 2 defensive midfielders. Granted we hardly have Franco Baresi at the back, but a good manager would come in and get things tighter. I dont see any improvement in our defence or shape since Unsworth has come in. For me it's because he's picking the same players for defensive positions as Koeman, granted there aren't a lot of options available in the back four with no one who can replace Baines Kenny looks the best option available at RB and CBs any two from four, but were he can make a significant change is in the defensive midfielders positions by dropping Gana and Schneiderlin they are offering no protection to the back four every team with played so far are walking through them like there not on the pitch, sort the middle out and that will help the defence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted November 20, 2017 Report Share Posted November 20, 2017 6 hours ago, Wiggytop said: So do we bring Cleverly back,? he's been one of Watfords best midfielders this season Great at penalties, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted November 20, 2017 Report Share Posted November 20, 2017 6 hours ago, markjazzbassist said: Unsy has shown the players now have the drive and fight to come back 2 times in a row. He has the players behind him, he just needs to get the lineup and tactics right off the bat. 4 points in 2 matches is a good return. The next couple of matches are winnable as well, west ham and soton and huddersfield. 5 points acceptable but would prefer 6+ points from those 3 matches. No matter who's managing over the next few weeks, we should get 7 points from these three games. That should put us back in the top half. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted November 20, 2017 Report Share Posted November 20, 2017 BTW, there's another reason why Unsworth deserves credit: He's had the guts to drop Rooney. markjazzbassist, Matt and London Blue 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted November 21, 2017 Report Share Posted November 21, 2017 21 minutes ago, Cornish Steve said: BTW, there's another reason why Unsworth deserves credit: He's had the guts to drop Rooney. Yep that was a good move by Unsy and showed allot of courage and clarity of thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted November 21, 2017 Report Share Posted November 21, 2017 23 minutes ago, Cornish Steve said: BTW, there's another reason why Unsworth deserves credit: He's had the guts to drop Rooney. Great point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted November 21, 2017 Report Share Posted November 21, 2017 6 hours ago, Cornish Steve said: BTW, there's another reason why Unsworth deserves credit: He's had the guts to drop Rooney. Shame he never when it came to Gana but I live in hope that he or the next man in charge will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Paddock Posted November 21, 2017 Popular Post Report Share Posted November 21, 2017 I don’t get the slating of Rooney- his goals along with Niasse and Baines are why we aren’t bottom- at least he tries, he covers every blade of grass and plays with passion- he’s dropping deep because he’s desperate to get into the game but can’t because we’re shit- he’s being played in muliple positions wnd has no aettled roll- it’s not his fault we have 6 number 10s playing at the same time. StevO, Matt, aaron and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted November 21, 2017 Report Share Posted November 21, 2017 9 hours ago, Cornish Steve said: No matter who's managing over the next few weeks, we should get 7 points from these three games. That should put us back in the top half. And if we don't? Because the way we're playing there's every chance we'll take something like 2 points. Will you then just shift on to the next three games and rinse, repeat? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted November 21, 2017 Report Share Posted November 21, 2017 If he dropped Rooney and we started winning then fine, but results have been shit with and without him. For me he plays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted November 21, 2017 Report Share Posted November 21, 2017 18 minutes ago, StevO said: If he dropped Rooney and we started winning then fine, but results have been shit with and without him. For me he plays. Won't have a choice with Niasse suspended Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted November 21, 2017 Report Share Posted November 21, 2017 4 hours ago, Romey 1878 said: And if we don't? Because the way we're playing there's every chance we'll take something like 2 points. Will you then just shift on to the next three games and rinse, repeat? Since the following three games are against tougher teams, no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted November 21, 2017 Report Share Posted November 21, 2017 16 minutes ago, Cornish Steve said: Since the following three games are against tougher teams, no. Then it’ll be those three games were hard, we’ll ignore them and look to them he ones after that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 Anyone still want him? Absolute fucking joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sydneyneil Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 I actually think we could be getting worse defensively under Unsworth. The amount of goals we are shipping is embarrassing. We need to end the "Unsworth til the end of the season" comments now. We will 100% go down with this guy in charge. He has no experience and every game that passes is throwing points away. We have no organisation and cant even do the basics. Where are we going to get 28 points from.......seriously Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 We can’t give the job to Unsworth. We just couldn’t be that stupid... I hope. Quinn31 and Swarzy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sydneyneil Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 Just now, Paddock said: Anyone still want him? Absolute fucking joke. He gets us though apparently...... Paddock, Lowensda, Romey 1878 and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 It’s absolutely ridiculous to even contemplate it- we’re so fucking bad it’s unreal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quinn31 Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 2 minutes ago, sydneyneil said: He gets us though apparently...... He loves the club and we can love it with him all the way down to League One! Then our brilliant youngsters will look world class. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sydneyneil Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 People have been saying it will be OK with these apparent easier fixtures coming up. Theyre watching a different game to me. We are 2-0 down before we even start. We cant have him in charge Sunday. We need to break the bank for Silva or get someone else in asap. aaron and Romey 1878 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badaids Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 We need to accept the situation we are in. Serious fucking shit. We are not above any manager who can sort the team, no matter how unfashionable they are. I don't care if we get Pulis, or Silva or whoever as long as they come in NOW and stop the ship from sinking. Unsworth has been given a fair enough crack. He has shown nothing to suggest that he can reverse the terrible situation we are in. Quinn31, Romey 1878 and Swarzy 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 10 minutes ago, sydneyneil said: He gets us though apparently...... Yeah, he gets us beat Sorry, if I don’t laugh I’ll cry. aaron 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted November 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 Disappointed in the team he played, exactly what I didn't want and he's paid the price. That's another soul destroying hammering going into an away premier league game, that's a real confidence booster isn't it. That's what happens when people want him to leave out players, it could have been 7 or 8 against us. Think that decision has lost him any chance he had of getting the job permanently. nogs, Swarzy, MikeO and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nogs Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 I've backed Unsworth because I don't see anyone we've been linked with being right for us. But I can't defend him now. It doesn't matter who it is, they just have to have the strength to get rid of the 6, 7, 8 players who are crippling us. We're that rotten I'm half starting to think getting relegated might be the only way to sort this shit out. Walsh needs to go along with most of the signings he's made. It's such a fucking mess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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