Cornish Steve Posted November 24, 2017 Report Share Posted November 24, 2017 1 hour ago, Paddock said: I doubt you were when I was just a twinkle but the fact you supported us, changed to someone else moved elsewhere then started supporting us speaks volumes as to why you think it’s ok to just fuck about putting people like Rooney as assistant manager because if we liquidated tomorrow you can just stop supporting us again. Well, let's just consider my suggestion for a moment. Unsworth has had great success with the U-23s; hence, he knows many of today's first term players - from Davies to DC-L to Holgate to Kenny to Lookman and even to Niasse. No manager coming from the outside has such in-depth knowledge of key players. Rooney is one of England's greatest players in recent years and for all time. He's broken record after record and is a national icon. He knows how to score goals better than any manager coming from the outside. Both men know the Everton organization inside and out, have undeniable passion for the club, and would do all in their power to succeed. Would you prefer to be just another stepping stone for an ambitious foreign manager or held hostage by a manager who's not really interested but is willing to take a huge salary? I wouldn't. Would you prefer Pardew or Crooked Sam or maybe Pulis? I wouldn't. In my experience, a desire to succeed and total belief in the company/club/vision are far better gauges to success than bringing in an outsider who doesn't know or care about the culture. Culture clash over the last year or so came close to ruining this club. Thanks but no thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted November 24, 2017 Report Share Posted November 24, 2017 1 hour ago, Paddock said: I doubt you were when I was just a twinkle but the fact you supported us, changed to someone else moved elsewhere then started supporting us speaks volumes as to why you think it’s ok to just fuck about putting people like Rooney as assistant manager because if we liquidated tomorrow you can just stop supporting us again. Pad, the fact the Cornish Steve has put on nearly 7000 posts indicates hes not a "fair weather" supporter. You may not like what he has to say but he has the right to say it. Everyones opinion is just as valid. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted November 24, 2017 Report Share Posted November 24, 2017 25 minutes ago, London Blue said: But he got players that would fit into Koemans system, which did not work. I believe that Klaassen, Siggy and Martina were all Koeman influenced signings. Sandro, Vlasic, Keane and Pickford were more Walsh led signings. I still believe all but Martina will be good signings given time, even Klaassen. Walsh wanted Gana over Kante when at Leicester. Think he goes off stats rather than a keen eye. Walsh is paid enough to have influence on the players that come. He should have warned the board and found someone better. That's what dof's do at every other club. Vlasic was pure luck of the draw. Sandro is miles away from being a prem player, and we'd be lucky to get half the money back on Keane (which says a lot when we bought him with only a year left on his contract). Pickford has done well, but considering the defence we'd have been better off with a more experienced keeper. Koeman said there are no class Dutch players and barely gave Klaassen a chance so maybe he was a Walsh pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 37 minutes ago, pete0 said: Walsh is paid enough to have influence on the players that come. He should have warned the board and found someone better. That's what dof's do at every other club. Vlasic was pure luck of the draw. Sandro is miles away from being a prem player, and we'd be lucky to get half the money back on Keane (which says a lot when we bought him with only a year left on his contract). Pickford has done well, but considering the defence we'd have been better off with a more experienced keeper. Koeman said there are no class Dutch players and barely gave Klaassen a chance so maybe he was a Walsh pick. Koeman had final say. Sandro cost what 8 million, nothing in today's market. He will come good, he just needs time to adapt and not be playing in a team that is self destructing. Same is true for Klaassen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 23 minutes ago, London Blue said: Koeman had final say. Sandro cost what 8 million, nothing in today's market. He will come good, he just needs time to adapt and not be playing in a team that is self destructing. Same is true for Klaassen. Moshiri had final say. He trusted Walsh and Koeman. We needed players for now though as well. Looking at the team we need an experienced centre half, a left back, DM, cm, 10, and a striker. Maybe even a winger. That's nearly a whole new team. Not including Barkley and Mori the only players who are top 7 worthy are Pickford Coleman Holgate__????__???? ???? Vlasic Davies McCarthy Bolasie ???? Rooney Back up squad isn't too bad, problem is we are staying players who shouldn't even make the bench. Robles Kenny Jags Williams Baines Besic/Beni Lennon__???? __???? __Mirallas ???? Niasse I'd get rid of Keane, Cuco, Schneiderlin, Gana, and Sigurdssen. Simply not good enough for a club like Everton. The weakest gang of shithouses to ever wear the shirt. People used to moan when we only had one or two not putting the effort in, there should be riots to boot these mercenaries out the club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 1 hour ago, pete0 said: Walsh is paid enough to have influence on the players that come. He should have warned the board and found someone better. That's what dof's do at every other club. Vlasic was pure luck of the draw. Sandro is miles away from being a prem player, and we'd be lucky to get half the money back on Keane (which says a lot when we bought him with only a year left on his contract). Pickford has done well, but considering the defence we'd have been better off with a more experienced keeper. Koeman said there are no class Dutch players and barely gave Klaassen a chance so maybe he was a Walsh pick. I have little doubt that Koeman demanded certain players. Klaassen - Dutch Martina - played under Koeman Schneiderlin - played under Koeman markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 1 hour ago, Cornish Steve said: I have little doubt that Koeman demanded certain players. Klaassen - Dutch Martina - played under Koeman Schneiderlin - played under Koeman I’d agree over those, some of the others I’m not sure about. 4 hours ago, Lowensda said: Should have told Benitez that before he joined newcastle. A team that was all but relegated when he joined. Decent manager. We're a bigger club. Not delirious. None of the 3 you mention have a home in England with family still living here. That’s the only reason he’s at toon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 4 hours ago, Newty82 said: Always enjoy reading the Cornish - Paddock love hate relationship posts!!! Me too. I shall be crying myself to sleep tonight. Newty82 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggytop Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 I'm not going to judge Unsworth on Thursdays game, yes it was a clusterfuck, but is was a worthless game, a confidence building win would have been brilliant, but not at the expense of getting key players injured or running our of gas(Baines). We need to forget about Thursday and focus on the league 100%, get some results, which we've done in the last two games, lucky or not, and get some consistency, confidence and start to look like a team again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nogs Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 9 hours ago, London Blue said: Koeman had final say. Sandro cost what 8 million, nothing in today's market. He will come good, he just needs time to adapt and not be playing in a team that is self destructing. Same is true for Klaassen. I'll make a bet with you Klaassen will be gone next summer. He is woefully out of his depth here, too timid for the physical side, wants too much time on the ball, but worst of all his positional sense is dreadful. He wouldn't get a game in the Championship on current form. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nogs Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 9 hours ago, pete0 said: Moshiri had final say. He trusted Walsh and Koeman. We needed players for now though as well. Looking at the team we need an experienced centre half, a left back, DM, cm, 10, and a striker. Maybe even a winger. That's nearly a whole new team. Not including Barkley and Mori the only players who are top 7 worthy are Pickford Coleman Holgate__????__???? ???? Vlasic Davies McCarthy Bolasie ???? Rooney Back up squad isn't too bad, problem is we are staying players who shouldn't even make the bench. Robles Kenny Jags Williams Baines Besic/Beni Lennon__???? __???? __Mirallas ???? Niasse I'd get rid of Keane, Cuco, Schneiderlin, Gana, and Sigurdssen. Simply not good enough for a club like Everton. The weakest gang of shithouses to ever wear the shirt. People used to moan when we only had one or two not putting the effort in, there should be riots to boot these mercenaries out the club. Why are you not including Williams in that group? There's a case for saying he's been the worst of the lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 8 hours ago, Cornish Steve said: I have little doubt that Koeman demanded certain players. Klaassen - Dutch Martina - played under Koeman Schneiderlin - played under Koeman No doubt he did for the latter two, but Walsh is paid a million quid to say no here's someone better... But looking at the Walsh's signing they're no better. Regarding Klaassen Koeman said he doesn't rate the Dutch players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 10 minutes ago, nogs said: Why are you not including Williams in that group? There's a case for saying he's been the worst of the lot. He's declined massively but has experience. He's marginally still ahead of Jags, albeit form is an issue. I'd get rid of both in the summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nogs Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 3 minutes ago, pete0 said: He's declined massively but has experience. He's marginally still ahead of Jags, albeit form is an issue. I'd get rid of both in the summer. What?? Did you watch him Thursday? Or v Lyon? All of our CBs have been poor I grant you but Williams has been an absolute liability. How many penalties has he given away this season alone?? chicagoblue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 Just now, nogs said: What?? Did you watch him Thursday? Or v Lyon? All of our CBs have been poor I grant you but Williams has been an absolute liability. How many penalties has he given away this season alone?? He's been okay (not great) next to Holgate. Anyone next to Keane is gonna struggle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nogs Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 20 minutes ago, pete0 said: He's been okay (not great) next to Holgate. Anyone next to Keane is gonna struggle. I think Williams has played a key part in dragging Keane and Holgate to be honest but hey ho! London Blue and Matt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 26 minutes ago, nogs said: I think Williams has played a key part in dragging Keane and Holgate to be honest but hey ho! This, Jags and Williams our experienced center backs have been so poor they have dragged the rest of the defense down to the point where none of them have any confidence or form.. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 36 minutes ago, nogs said: I think Williams has played a key part in dragging Keane and Holgate to be honest but hey ho! 8 minutes ago, London Blue said: This, Jags and Williams our experienced center backs have been so poor they have dragged the rest of the defense down to the point where none of them have any confidence or form.. Don't see how any one else can take the blame for Keane's deer in the head lights defending. Immobile, weak, and takes an eternity to do the simplest of passes. Other than being tall I don't see what he offers over Holgate. £30m in his last year is truly baffling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nogs Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 1 minute ago, pete0 said: Don't see how any one can blame Keane's deer in the head lights defending. Immobile, weak, and takes an eternity to do the simplest of passes. Other than being tall I don't see what he offers over Holgate. £30m in his last year is truly baffling. I agree. But Williams has been equally bad if not worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 1 minute ago, pete0 said: Don't see how any one else can take the blame for Keane's deer in the head lights defending. Immobile, weak, and takes an eternity to do the simplest of passes. Other than being tall I don't see what he offers over Holgate. £30m in his last year is truly baffling. Constant change of RB and CB partners plus the DCMs not doing their jobs aaaaand a foot injury. Ive seen enough of him to say that, given some consistency, the lad will come good StevO and London Blue 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 1 minute ago, pete0 said: Don't see how any one else can take the blame for Keane's deer in the head lights defending. Immobile, weak, and takes an eternity to do the simplest of passes. Other than being tall I don't see what he offers over Holgate. £30m in his last year is truly baffling. If you have a small team of people where three of the most experienced people are struggling and you bring in a brand new person, they will also struggle. I have seen it so many times in my professional life. If the leaders of the group are in trouble then it has a massive effect on those they work with. Jags and Williams are both leaders, and both need to be replaced asap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 4 minutes ago, Matt said: Constant change of RB and CB partners plus the DCMs not doing their jobs aaaaand a foot injury. Ive seen enough of him to say that, given some consistency, the lad will come good He's made the right backs job harder. Yes, Cuco is a joke but Keane offers absolutely no help. Would like to know what minute he suffered that injury as James Vaughan looked a world beater against him. Bullied him all over the pitch. How's any of that excuse how pathetically weak he is? He gets rolled time and time again, that's down to him as an individual only. Turns like a bus is all you hear said about him. 4 minutes ago, nogs said: I agree. But Williams has been equally bad if not worse. Williams has bern poor, but Keane hasn't shown anything ability wise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 6 minutes ago, London Blue said: If you have a small team of people where three of the most experienced people are struggling and you bring in a brand new person, they will also struggle. I have seen it so many times in my professional life. If the leaders of the group are in trouble then it has a massive effect on those they work with. Jags and Williams are both leaders, and both need to be replaced asap. He's looked out of place from day one. Before we knew the was gonna be a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 8 minutes ago, pete0 said: He's made the right backs job harder. Yes, Cuco is a joke but Keane offers absolutely no help. Would like to know what minute he suffered that injury as James Vaughan looked a world beater against him. Bullied him all over the pitch. How's any of that excuse how pathetically weak he is? He gets rolled time and time again, that's down to him as an individual only. Turns like a bus is all you hear said about him. Williams has bern poor, but Keane hasn't shown anything ability wise. I think he’s going to be your replacements got Jags in the OTT criticism spot, so I’ll stop now Newty82 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 7 minutes ago, pete0 said: He's looked out of place from day one. Before we knew the was gonna be a problem. Jags and Williams have been poor from day 1 of this season. I would say Keane played ok for the first few games of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 Just now, Matt said: I think he’s going to be your replacements got Jags in the OTT criticism spot, so I’ll stop now Jagielka was average. Keane isn't even that good. He's as bad as Sendoros, other than heading kroldrup offered more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 51 minutes ago, pete0 said: Jagielka was average. Keane isn't even that good. He's as bad as Sendoros, other than heading kroldrup offered more. Case and point Newty82 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted November 26, 2017 Report Share Posted November 26, 2017 http://www.espnfc.us/club/everton/368/blog/post/3283011/david-unsworth-hung-out-to-dry-as-everton-stumble-over-new-boss luke spot on as usual Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted November 26, 2017 Report Share Posted November 26, 2017 3 hours ago, markjazzbassist said: http://www.espnfc.us/club/everton/368/blog/post/3283011/david-unsworth-hung-out-to-dry-as-everton-stumble-over-new-boss luke spot on as usual Yep he is spot on. Unsworth is on a complete hiding to nothing at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted November 26, 2017 Report Share Posted November 26, 2017 3 hours ago, markjazzbassist said: http://www.espnfc.us/club/everton/368/blog/post/3283011/david-unsworth-hung-out-to-dry-as-everton-stumble-over-new-boss luke spot on as usual Yep, pretty much sums it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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