duncanmckenzieismagic Posted February 7, 2018 Report Share Posted February 7, 2018 David Unsworth makes decision on Oxford United vacancy http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-coach-david-unsworth-makes-14259727#ICID=ios_EchoNewsApp_AppShare_Click_Other Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted February 7, 2018 Report Share Posted February 7, 2018 1 minute ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said: David Unsworth makes decision on Oxford United vacancyhttp://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-coach-david-unsworth-makes-14259727#ICID=ios_EchoNewsApp_AppShare_Click_Other Shame. He’s got to try his hand sooner or later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwlad Posted February 7, 2018 Report Share Posted February 7, 2018 Don't forget he has previous, one season at Wham and was it 6 days at Villa. Don't think he want to go south. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted February 7, 2018 Report Share Posted February 7, 2018 Should have gone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loz Posted February 7, 2018 Report Share Posted February 7, 2018 To be fair Rhino might as well stick around. Boys pen may ring him again shortly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted February 7, 2018 Report Share Posted February 7, 2018 I'm secretly hoping Crooked Sam is fired soon and Unsworth gets the chance to finish out our season. Quinn31 and StevO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted February 7, 2018 Report Share Posted February 7, 2018 😂😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted February 8, 2018 Report Share Posted February 8, 2018 11 hours ago, Cornish Steve said: I'm secretly hoping Crooked Sam is fired soon and Unsworth gets the chance to finish out our season. I think you would sooner give the job to Speedo Mick based on the fact that he's a good guy. I would guess 70% of managers have had backhanders. One way or another it happens. Quinn31 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plaidharper Posted February 8, 2018 Report Share Posted February 8, 2018 Unsworth did prefer Beni over Morgan..... Seriously though, if his ambition is to manage in the EPL then he needs more experience. Where ever he ends up, wish him all the best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted February 8, 2018 Report Share Posted February 8, 2018 He is coaching a team of young lads that he hopes will progress to the first team. He is very respected as a coach and has no need to rush. He looked at the job and decided it wasn’t the right move. Could just be he is smart and waiting for the right opportunity. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted February 8, 2018 Report Share Posted February 8, 2018 smells blood in the water and realizes he will need to take over here in a week or so and decided to stay. makes sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted February 8, 2018 Report Share Posted February 8, 2018 I'm secretly hoping Crooked Sam is fired soon and Unsworth gets the chance to finish out our season.I hope not , ive just renewed our season tickets and will be well pissed off if we are in the Championship Quinn31 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted February 8, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2018 Full of cheer as usual Dunc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted February 8, 2018 Report Share Posted February 8, 2018 Full of cheer as usual Dunc.Not a lot to be cheerful about at the moment when it comes to Everton but the thought of giving Unsy another go any time soon is a very depressing scenario indeed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quinn31 Posted February 8, 2018 Report Share Posted February 8, 2018 45 minutes ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said: Not a lot to be cheerful about at the moment when it comes to Everton but the thought of giving Unsy another go any time soon is a very depressing scenario indeed Dunc, do you not see how great it will be? Yeah, we'll be in League Two playing the likes Cheltenham and Forest Green Rovers, but we'll be managed by someone who says "we" and not "Everton", someone who gets us, one of us....I'm sure at that level of competition, we can fill the entire starting 11 from our academy who will put it all out for the 5,000 capacity crowd at Prenton Park for the big derby! Then, after we smash Tranmere, we can go fight their fans in the carpark afterwords, because we're Evertonians and we're hard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted February 8, 2018 Report Share Posted February 8, 2018 13 hours ago, hafnia said: I think you would sooner give the job to Speedo Mick based on the fact that he's a good guy. I would guess 70% of managers have had backhanders. One way or another it happens. I'm surprised how naive people think I am (well, not really!). I'm not suggesting at all that we should hire a manager just because they are a nice guy. Not at all, although cultural fit is important. (We're experiencing right now the trauma when the fit is not there.) Unsworth is a leader. In the Allardyce thread, I mentioned the importance of the manager being a leader: encouraging, inspiring, cajoling, etc. You saw this in those few games when Unsworth was in charge. The players wanted to win not just for themselves but for him. He was one with the team, unlike Koeman or Allardyce. You see the importance of leadership at other teams. We have much better players than Bournemouth, but they are above us in the table because Howe is a leader. We have better players than Burnley, but they are above us because Dyche is a leader. It takes time to make progress, yes, and this is something Unsworth was not given. You also need commitment from the club, and he didn't have that either. And let me address one other point. I keep hearing that Unsworth has no relevant experience, that he needs to learn the trade through teams like Oxford. This is nonsense! He's demonstrated leadership with the U23s and been very successful. One look at how the younger players performed when he was interim manager reveals that. His experience there is very relevant. Plenty of successful managers shoot straight to the top because of their ability: You don't need to spend years in the lower leagues. Plus, the team did improve under Unsworth. You can't just look at the stats in his case, because it was clear he was told not to focus on the pointless Europa games or cup games. His focus was the league, and the players really played for him in those games. I was surprised he kept Schneiderlin in the team, but I suspect he worked within ground rules set by others (I'm guessing, yes, but I don't believe he had total freedom in team selection). So, I'm sticking with my opinion that he should be given the opportunity to take over from Crooked Sam. Maybe it's why he didn't move to Oxford: Time will tell. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted February 9, 2018 Report Share Posted February 9, 2018 I'm surprised how naive people think I am (well, not really!). I'm not suggesting at all that we should hire a manager just because they are a nice guy. Not at all, although cultural fit is important. (We're experiencing right now the trauma when the fit is not there.) Unsworth is a leader. In the Allardyce thread, I mentioned the importance of the manager being a leader: encouraging, inspiring, cajoling, etc. You saw this in those few games when Unsworth was in charge. The players wanted to win not just for themselves but for him. He was one with the team, unlike Koeman or Allardyce. You see the importance of leadership at other teams. We have much better players than Bournemouth, but they are above us in the table because Howe is a leader. We have better players than Burnley, but they are above us because Dyche is a leader. It takes time to make progress, yes, and this is something Unsworth was not given. You also need commitment from the club, and he didn't have that either. And let me address one other point. I keep hearing that Unsworth has no relevant experience, that he needs to learn the trade through teams like Oxford. This is nonsense! He's demonstrated leadership with the U23s and been very successful. One look at how the younger players performed when he was interim manager reveals that. His experience there is very relevant. Plenty of successful managers shoot straight to the top because of their ability: You don't need to spend years in the lower leagues. Plus, the team did improve under Unsworth. You can't just look at the stats in his case, because it was clear he was told not to focus on the pointless Europa games or cup games. His focus was the league, and the players really played for him in those games. I was surprised he kept Schneiderlin in the team, but I suspect he worked within ground rules set by others (I'm guessing, yes, but I don't believe he had total freedom in team selection). So, I'm sticking with my opinion that he should be given the opportunity to take over from Crooked Sam. Maybe it's why he didn't move to Oxford: Time will tell.Serious question ... did you watch any of the games Unsworth was in charge of as Everton manager? Matt and Quinn31 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted February 9, 2018 Report Share Posted February 9, 2018 1 minute ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said: Serious question ... did you watch any of the games Unsworth was in charge of as Everton manager? Yes. A couple live and the rest as extended highlights. Did you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted February 9, 2018 Report Share Posted February 9, 2018 The problem is Steve it’s another virus on TT. Most fans cling to common words.. coco the clown, nice guy, rolls Royce, headless chicken, school yard bully and so on. Once it’s on there heads it becomes reality. I know it doesn’t make me popular to say this, but you can predict when a lot of posters will pop up. Mostly it’s opportunitys to price a point, even if it’s negative for the team. Anyone that rates Unsworth must therefore only rate him because he is a nice guy! markjazzbassist, nogs and Matt 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted February 9, 2018 Report Share Posted February 9, 2018 13 hours ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said: I hope not , ive just renewed our season tickets and will be well pissed off if we are in the Championship Don't worry, Dunc. Allardyce will be the one to take us down at this rate, and the club and a bunch of its supporters will have sold their ethics and souls to do so markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted February 9, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2018 In the barren spell that Unsy had you just need to look at the performances of the younger players he introduced, Holgate, Jonjoe, Bennie, Davies, DCL. If you look back to his games these players all got Motm ratings, its the experienced players who let the team down, and they still are. If Unsy had been given the time and the backing he would had them playing much better football by now and a few more points on the board. Surely anybody would have been better than the moron we have now. Matt, markjazzbassist and nyblue23 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted February 9, 2018 Report Share Posted February 9, 2018 We know Unsworth can lead the youngsters, he has shown that in his time at the U23s and again when he’s been in charge of the first team. The problem when he was in the first team was that he couldn’t lead the senior players. I’m not sure he would want to take temporary charge for a third time after being over looked for the position twice. If he got over looked a third time would other clubs not start asking why? Could be bad for his reputation. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted February 9, 2018 Report Share Posted February 9, 2018 1 hour ago, StevO said: We know Unsworth can lead the youngsters, he has shown that in his time at the U23s and again when he’s been in charge of the first team. The problem when he was in the first team was that he couldn’t lead the senior players. I’m not sure he would want to take temporary charge for a third time after being over looked for the position twice. If he got over looked a third time would other clubs not start asking why? Could be bad for his reputation. It seems no one can lead the senior players though, so surely the judgement is on them rather than Unsworth? Even a highly regarded explayer/promisingly manager and a supposed hardnosed, no-nonsense manager haven’t succeeded in that with a lot more backing than Unsworth had Sibdane, markjazzbassist, StevO and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nogs Posted February 9, 2018 Report Share Posted February 9, 2018 3 hours ago, Shukes said: The problem is Steve it’s another virus on TT. Most fans cling to common words.. coco the clown, nice guy, rolls Royce, headless chicken, school yard bully and so on. Once it’s on there heads it becomes reality. I know it doesn’t make me popular to say this, but you can predict when a lot of posters will pop up. Mostly it’s opportunitys to price a point, even if it’s negative for the team. Anyone that rates Unsworth must therefore only rate him because he is a nice guy! Absolutely bang on. I'm not sure the people who use the phrase 'Rolls Royce', in relation to Morgan Schneiderlin even realise what absolute bollocks they are spouting. As for Unsworth... Never lost a home league game as Everton manager. So let's give credit where credit is due, he was better than the other two arse wipes we've had in charge this season. MikeO, markjazzbassist, nyblue23 and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted February 9, 2018 Report Share Posted February 9, 2018 3 hours ago, Matt said: It seems no one can lead the senior players though, so surely the judgement is on them rather than Unsworth? Even a highly regarded explayer/promisingly manager and a supposed hardnosed, no-nonsense manager haven’t succeeded in that with a lot more backing than Unsworth had This for me. Sam is supposed to get the players in line, huh? Looks like a joke at the moment. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted February 9, 2018 Report Share Posted February 9, 2018 Yes. A couple live and the rest as extended highlights. Did you? Yes I did , I go to most games home and away Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted February 9, 2018 Report Share Posted February 9, 2018 Don't worry, Dunc. Allardyce will be the one to take us down at this rate, and the club and a bunch of its supporters will have sold their ethics and souls to do soI don’t want Allardyce either but at the time we were in serious trouble and he was probably the most qualified man on the planet for the job, so even though I didn’t want him I could see the reasoning behind it I don’t believe that equates to selling my soul though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted February 9, 2018 Report Share Posted February 9, 2018 26 minutes ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said: I don’t want Allardyce either but at the time we were in serious trouble and he was probably the most qualified man on the planet for the job, Nah, I can't buy that. Decades ago my dad was booked on a transatlantic flight with a colleague with an airline that tagged itself as the guys who'd never had a crash, the guy refused to get on it because he said statistically it had to happen sometime. Allardyce is an accident waiting to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted February 9, 2018 Report Share Posted February 9, 2018 Nah, I can't buy that. Decades ago my dad was booked on a transatlantic flight with a colleague with an airline that tagged itself as the guys who'd never had a crash, the guy refused to get on it because he said statistically it had to happen sometime. Allardyce is an accident waiting to happen. Ha ha I think your dads mate has got some issues , but do you agree nobody else had a better track record for getting clubs out of the shit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted February 9, 2018 Report Share Posted February 9, 2018 4 minutes ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said: Ha ha I think your dads mate has got some issues , but do you agree nobody else had a better track record for getting clubs out of the shit? He's got that badge but it's largely luck imo, if we keep playing at the level he's got us at at the moment we'll go down. Have you seen us worse? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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