Goodbye To The Gravy Guzzler

[rubecula]

kin'ell Haf,  hope you are never on a jury when they get me  

[London Blue]

28 minutes ago, rubecula said:

kin'ell Haf,  hope you are never on a jury when they get me  

[Cornish Steve]

I have been wondering why the footballing establishment have been so pro-Allardyce. There must be a reason, because he’s hardly the most likable guy. When, as England manager,  the crook was caught in his corruption on camera, maybe they struck a deal: You go quietly and we’ll make sure you get a sweet long term deal with some unsuspecting club. 

[Palfy]

20 minutes ago, Cornish Steve said:

I have been wondering why the footballing establishment have been so pro-Allardyce. There must be a reason, because he’s hardly the most likable guy. When, as England manager,  the crook was caught in his corruption on camera, maybe they struck a deal: You go quietly and we’ll make sure you get a sweet long term deal with some unsuspecting club. 

The corruption theories are becoming like something from a Hollywood blockbuster, I love the idea though in years to come the film will be the man who destroyed a football club, but they were warned by Cornish Steve who never gave up on his mission to discredit the lair and thief that was big Sam Allardyce.

Write the book Steve I'll buy it.

[Hafnia]

37 minutes ago, Cornish Steve said:

I have been wondering why the footballing establishment have been so pro-Allardyce. There must be a reason, because he’s hardly the most likable guy. When, as England manager,  the crook was caught in his corruption on camera, maybe they struck a deal: You go quietly and we’ll make sure you get a sweet long term deal with some unsuspecting club. 

Half of them go on the piss with him.  Look at any pro am charity golf event.... Sam is there with the likes of Alan Brazil - he gives the journos good column inches and is generally decent to them.... he is away on jaunts in Dubai etc etc. 

The jobs for the boys extends to the media. 

[StevO]

On 06/05/2018 at 11:40, Palfy said:

Pray your right that Allardyce is gone and Moshiri needs to be more vocal when it comes to matters of football, the silence on Allardyce is a joke he needed to grow some weeks ago.

Abramovic has not given one interview since he took over Chelsea, not one. Not all owners are vocal. If he brings in a capable CEO we never need to hear his voice again. 

[Romey 1878]

https://www.toffeeweb.com/season/17-18/news/36615.html

[Finn balor]

He’s come out with a load of shite again today in the echo 

[Cornish Steve]

8 hours ago, Finn balor said:

He’s come out with a load of shite again today in the echo 

One implication of his latest comments is that he wants to get rid of most of our young players. That would undermine a policy that, as I see it, has been a long, patient, and successful journey. You can't undo the damage he plans to do.

[Paddock]

2 hours ago, Cornish Steve said:

One implication of his latest comments is that he wants to get rid of most of our young players. That would undermine a policy that, as I see it, has been a long, patient, and successful journey. You can't undo the damage he plans to do.

Successful- other than Rooney, Barkley and Davies (and the last two aren’t even close to the first one) how has it been successful? I’m not saying I agree with selling them but it’s hardly a United type youth system in the 90s or a Southampton one.

[Hafnia]

47 minutes ago, Paddock said:

Successful- other than Rooney, Barkley and Davies (and the last two aren’t even close to the first one) how has it been successful? I’m not saying I agree with selling them but it’s hardly a United type youth system in the 90s or a Southampton one.

Compare our youth to all other premiership teams and we are one of the better sides for giving youth a chance....

Holgate, Kenny, beningame, Davies, DCL, have all been getting chances.  They may not be at high levels yet but they do get a chance. 

Allardyce is highly reluctant to use/develop youth.  In his managerial career his forte has been footballers at the end of their careers. 

[nogs]

3 hours ago, Paddock said:

Successful- other than Rooney, Barkley and Davies (and the last two aren’t even close to the first one) how has it been successful? I’m not saying I agree with selling them but it’s hardly a United type youth system in the 90s or a Southampton one.

Well apart from the fact that we have five members of the only England youth side ever to win a world Cup, plus Davies. So you could say it is a policy that is just on the verge of bearing fruit. 

Quite honestly if Allardyce stays and we do end up selling a load of our most promising kids this summer, I will never forgive him, Walsh, Moshiri or the board. We have absolutely no chance of buying our way to the top, the only realistic chance this club has of moving forward is developing and buying highly talented kids a) so they make our first team more competitive and b) so we can sell some for enormous profits, like we did with Stones, and develop financially that way. The work Moyes and then Martinez did establishing the youth set up we have now was exactly the right strategy for a club in our position, proven countless times over by examples from all over the world. To let this useless fat cunt wade in and tear it all to shreds because they are not physically up to playing his despicable brand of 4-5-1 anti-football, and he doesn't have it in him to coach them how, would be nothing short of a betrayal of this great club. 

This is serious shit we face. Like with Johnson, the damage these picks are doing will not go away over night, it will set us back 10 years. 

[Paddock]

3 hours ago, hafnia said:

Compare our youth to all other premiership teams and we are one of the better sides for giving youth a chance....

Holgate, Kenny, beningame, Davies, DCL, have all been getting chances.  They may not be at high levels yet but they do get a chance. 

Allardyce is highly reluctant to use/develop youth.  In his managerial career his forte has been footballers at the end of their careers. 

Holgate and DCL never come through our acadamy which was what I was talking about.

[Paddock]

20 minutes ago, nogs said:

Well apart from the fact that we have five members of the only England youth side ever to win a world Cup, plus Davies. So you could say it is a policy that is just on the verge of bearing fruit. 

Quite honestly if Allardyce stays and we do end up selling a load of our most promising kids this summer, I will never forgive him, Walsh, Moshiri or the board. We have absolutely no chance of buying our way to the top, the only realistic chance this club has of moving forward is developing and buying highly talented kids a) so they make our first team more competitive and b) so we can sell some for enormous profits, like we did with Stones, and develop financially that way. The work Moyes and then Martinez did establishing the youth set up we have now was exactly the right strategy for a club in our position, proven countless times over by examples from all over the world. To let this useless fat cunt wade in and tear it all to shreds because they are not physically up to playing his despicable brand of 4-5-1 anti-football, and he doesn't have it in him to coach them how, would be nothing short of a betrayal of this great club. 

This is serious shit we face. Like with Johnson, the damage these picks are doing will not go away over night, it will set us back 10 years. 

Some of those never came through the acadamy though Nogs- they were brought in. 

[Bailey]

29 minutes ago, Paddock said:

Holgate and DCL never come through our acadamy which was what I was talking about.

True but they were brought into the academy for small fees which is essentially the same thing. We buy a lot of young players in the hope that one or two make it big as well as some of local lads. The more players we have making that transition from academy to first team both makes and saves money and also enhances our profile to other talented kids in Europe. It won't guarantee us success but it can help fill the gaps (ie Kenny), it can lead to top quality players (Stones, Barkley), decent ones (Davies) and those that can find a home in the lower leagues with sell on fees.

[Hafnia]

46 minutes ago, Paddock said:

Holgate and DCL never come through our acadamy which was what I was talking about.

I was looking at the topic of him getting rid of young players.... in my mind his lack of using Kenny and preferring cuco... looking to sell lookman, not giving vlassic a go points to that. 

[Cornish Steve]

5 hours ago, Paddock said:

Successful- other than Rooney, Barkley and Davies (and the last two aren’t even close to the first one) how has it been successful? I’m not saying I agree with selling them but it’s hardly a United type youth system in the 90s or a Southampton one.

In fairness, I meant "youth policy" as much as "youth system": I should have spelled that out. For years, I've praised this approach. It takes patience, like planting seeds in a garden and supplementing with young saplings: They need careful nurturing, and not all will work out, but they grow together and soon make a real difference. Realistically, this is the only way for a team outside the financial fat cats to not only succeed but build a lasting legacy. Crooked Sam, based on his comments, wants to pull them out by the roots - which would be a travesty.

[nogs]

6 hours ago, Paddock said:

Some of those never came through the acadamy though Nogs- they were brought in. 

Bailey has answered this for me. The best academies/development systems don't just rely on developing players from 8 years old, they excel at scouting the best prospects through all the age groups, bringing the in and polishing them into the finished article. I thought this was what Walsh specialised in, but clearly not. I'd rather have Moyes back running the youth & scouting operations. And as for Allardyce, we'll he doesn't believe in coaching so kids are just a waste of his time. Get a good, solid 29/30 year old who never strays out of position (or moves much for the ball for that matter) and knows how to flatter his ego, why would you need youth?Dreaming of a team of Kevin Nolans.

[Blueblood78]

I actually want for a 5-0 tonking last game to hopefully put an end to it all. Start fresh straight after with intent. New manager . Clear ideas etc etc. Just dnt want a 1-0 win. Sam putting his usual media spin on things & delaying everything. ? What everyone else think

[Finn balor]

It will be a shite atmosphere, West Ham fans want the board and Moyes out and we want sam out. I expect a sing off and I hope it’s a quick and painless transition. Thanks sam you have kept us up. Pay him the dough and announce brands as DOF. Give it a few days and get Fonseca or Benitez in. We go from there. Brands should be up to speed by now on who he wants to keep and get rid of. 

[MikeO]

1 hour ago, Blueblood78 said:

I actually want for a 5-0 tonking last game to hopefully put an end to it all. Start fresh straight after with intent. New manager . Clear ideas etc etc. Just dnt want a 1-0 win. Sam putting his usual media spin on things & delaying everything. ? What everyone else think

Tedious 0-0 would do for me, can't ever want to see us get beat. Allardyce would spin that as a great achievement against the might of West Ham and point out we're unbeaten apart from the games we've been beaten in.

[London Blue]

19 minutes ago, MikeO said:

Tedious 0-0 would do for me, can't ever want to see us get beat. Allardyce would spin that as a great achievement against the might of West Ham and point out we're unbeaten apart from the games we've been beaten in.

Be a funny old atmosphere at the ground, the West Ham fans hate their board, just as much as we hate Allardyce.

I can imagine a scenario where we are cheering on West Ham and they are cheering on us.

Oh and they HATE Allardyce, so the chanting back and forth could be fun!! 

[Cornish Steve]

3 hours ago, London Blue said:

Be a funny old atmosphere at the ground, the West Ham fans hate their board, just as much as we hate Allardyce.

I can imagine a scenario where we are cheering on West Ham and they are cheering on us.

Oh and they HATE Allardyce, so the chanting back and forth could be fun!! 

I hadn't thought about that, but it's true: Two groups of fans with no love for this guy.

[Paddock]

19 hours ago, Bailey said:

True but they were brought into the academy for small fees which is essentially the same thing. We buy a lot of young players in the hope that one or two make it big as well as some of local lads. The more players we have making that transition from academy to first team both makes and saves money and also enhances our profile to other talented kids in Europe. It won't guarantee us success but it can help fill the gaps (ie Kenny), it can lead to top quality players (Stones, Barkley), decent ones (Davies) and those that can find a home in the lower leagues with sell on fees.

Of course it can and I’m not saying for a second we should sell outlr young players. My original point was someone ( can’t even remember who now) was talking like our acadamy is chrning out top class talent when in fact it’s not. Southamptons did for a while United hit the jackpot at one stage but other than Rooney we’ve not really had anyone through. Even the players we’ve bought, whilst I admit are atill only young are not going to be top class players and the odd.couple who broke into the first team ( Stones and Barkley) both wanted out at the very first opportunity they got of a top 6 club wanting them.

[MikeO]

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/44082230

Hope in the last line. I'm "someone'.

I don't want you to have a contract Sam.

Worth a try.

[London Blue]

3 hours ago, MikeO said:

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/44082230

Hope in the last line. I'm "someone'.

I don't want you to have a contract Sam.

Worth a try.

I to do not want him to have a contract with us. 

[Gwlad]

Companies are obsessed with reviews. Do the board never get an email?

"You recently purchased a Sam Allardyce. Please review your purchase other users depend on your feedback."

[barryj]

4 hours ago, London Blue said:

I to do not want him to have a contract with us. 

Not me. It would be easier to ask who wants him to stay. 

[MikeO]

7 minutes ago, barryj said:

Not me. It would be easier to ask who wants him to stay. 

You have to say the magic words, "'I do not want you to fulfil that contract'" Barry. If enough of us do it it could be as big as, "I'm Spartacus!"

[barryj]

Just now, MikeO said:

You have to say the magic words, "'I do not want you to fulfil that contract'" Barry. If enough of us do it it could be as big as, "I'm Spartacus!"

Fingers crossed. I’ve said it before but ill say it again. This was the most boring, mind numbing passionless season Ive experienced in over 35 years of supporting Everton. I can’t bear another month of it let alone a season. If he stays till next season I’d bet my house in it that he’ll get sacked midway through. That for me will be another wasted year and continue the uncertainty.