pete0 Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 Given the system we play I can't see many strikers in the league giving more than what DCL already offers. There's not that many top strikers any more. Aguero is the only world class one and Firminio is perfect for the shites system but beyond them two there's not much many strikers in the league who would offer more than what DCL already does. If Silva could swap DCL for any striker in the league it'd be a short list. The likes of Vardy, Kane, and Lukaku wouldn't get a game under Silva. markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 29 minutes ago, pete0 said: Given the system we play I can't see many strikers in the league giving more than what DCL already offers. There's not that many top strikers any more. Aguero is the only world class one and Firminio is perfect for the shites system but beyond them two there's not much many strikers in the league who would offer more than what DCL already does. If Silva could swap DCL for any striker in the league it'd be a short list. The likes of Vardy, Kane, and Lukaku wouldn't get a game under Silva. Agree. If DCL can get double digits for goals ( and similar for assists ) then I’m happy - Gylfi and Charlie are hitting good numbers and I expect Bernard will be more clinical this year. pete0 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 If DCL is our main striker all season then we'll do absolutely nothing this season. I really like him and want him to succeed here, but he's not good enough yet (maybe never). I'll nail my colours to that mast right now. Bailey and StevO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpartyBlue Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 4 hours ago, Romey 1878 said: If DCL is our main striker all season then we'll do absolutely nothing this season. I really like him and want him to succeed here, but he's not good enough yet (maybe never). I'll nail my colours to that mast right now. How do you explain our run of form the last couple months of the season with DCL up top? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, SpartyBlue said: How do you explain our run of form the last couple months of the season with DCL up top? Because it wasn’t just him alone, which is why I get Romeys point even if I very much disagree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 DCL can't be our only striker going into the season. Niasse and Tosun have shown they aren't good enough, especially in this system. Richarlison would reluctantly be my next choice, but both his form and Coleman's form improved when he moved to right towards the end of the season. We need another striker. I still think DCL needs a lot of improvement, and if goes down with an injury I think we'd be royally screwed. It's also very unfair to him to rely on him for a complete season. JimmytheJimster and Romey 1878 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 19 minutes ago, SpartyBlue said: How do you explain our run of form the last couple months of the season with DCL up top? I don’t need to. My opinion is that if DCL is our main striker for this season we’ll achieve nothing. I like him, I think he’s got good attributes and potential, but he’s not good enough to be the main man and I don’t want us to have to write another season off. Sibdane 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 i got faith in DCL and think we would be alright with him. I"d still like us to get another striker but i think the more important issue is getting rid of the dead wood and freeing up funds. we can't get a striker when we have 30 person squad and only need 23-24. can't bring him in when we are in a lot of debt due to bad transfers either. i honestly think it will be next summer if/when we see a striker come in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 Even to outsiders everyone knows we need a striker that can finish. Away from home when we are on top and it happened numerous times last season we need someone to finish the chances and give us a platform to win the game. We have got goals in us from other areas sure and I’m expecting more from Bernie this season. But if we can get a striker that bags 15 plus aswell and someone that can create a bit of magic for himself it will make all the difference Btay 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpartyBlue Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 58 minutes ago, Matt said: Because it wasn’t just him alone, which is why I get Romeys point even if I very much disagree I agree that we need to bring in a striker but the idea that we can’t win with DCL up top is demonstrably false. We had our best run of form vs. top 6 competition in years with him as our striker. AlbanyNYToffee, London Blue and Matt 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpartyBlue Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 53 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said: I don’t need to. My opinion is that if DCL is our main striker for this season we’ll achieve nothing. I like him, I think he’s got good attributes and potential, but he’s not good enough to be the main man and I don’t want us to have to write another season off. I’m just trying to determine what the basis for your opinion is. We were very good with DCL up top for a long run of games at the end of last year. I appreciate (and agree) that we need to bring someone in who is better in front of goal. I simply find your negativity puzzling given that we did have success with him in the squad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 Looks like Sambou is officially off: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 good another off the pay roll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 He was out-of-contract so not technically on the wage bill anymore. I believe the club was keen to resign him as he showed a lot of potential for the U-23s, but he obviously wasn't able to make the jump up. Mixed on this one. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 1 minute ago, Sibdane said: He was out-of-contract so not technically on the wage bill anymore. I believe the club was keen to resign him as he showed a lot of potential for the U-23s, but he obviously wasn't able to make the jump up. Mixed on this one. thanks for the clarification. they need to give that 48 goal u18 guy the u23 striker spot and see how he does. probably why sambou made way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 Ethan Ampadu has joined RB Leipzig on loan. I would've put this in the General Football thread, but I have a feeling this just adds to unlikely possibility that Zouma will be joining us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 lampard is doing his best to hand that first CB job on a gold platter to Zouma. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 So would I if I was him markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 1 hour ago, SpartyBlue said: I agree that we need to bring in a striker but the idea that we can’t win with DCL up top is demonstrably false. We had our best run of form vs. top 6 competition in years with him as our striker. Nowhere did I say we can’t win with him up front. But over a season he simple won’t be enough to get us where we need to be and I think we’ll actually finish lower than last season if that’s the case. Which will be another wasted season and we’ll have even more catching up to do. A striker should be the absolute priority this window, not a nice to have signing. StevO and Palfy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 2 hours ago, SpartyBlue said: I agree that we need to bring in a striker but the idea that we can’t win with DCL up top is demonstrably false. We had our best run of form vs. top 6 competition in years with him as our striker. And who’s to say it couldn’t have been even better with a decent striker on board, the amount of games we drew or lost with the lions share of possession because we never had a decent striker to turn our possession into goals, cost us last season and will cost us next season if we don’t get a decent striker in. And this isn’t rant at DCL he can only do what his ability allows him to do. StevO and Romey 1878 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 DCl is a valuable player and a real asset to have but we need options up front. Tosun isn’t quick enough for the premier league most decent centre backs wouldn’t be worried about playing against him and, niasse is just well..... gash. I’m assuming Charley will be the third back up striker if we get injuries or dependant of the winger we bring in. A good striker is what we desperately need. I want to watch us go to Arsenal and Chelsea play well and get the goals from the chances we create. That’s the only way we close the gap to the teams we should be chasing by beating them on their own turf. We let them off the hook time and again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 2 hours ago, markjazzbassist said: good another off the pay roll. He’d have been on (relative) buttons, and has done very well by all accounts. You do confuse me with your your... flexible approach to things Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Matt Posted July 22, 2019 Popular Post Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 My basic approach to the striker conundrum is this; if there’s an improvement on DCL, who’s gonna bag goals, hustle defenders, create space and get assists, whilst being less than £50m (sickens me to talk about that money, but it’s the market we live in), then great. Not just for the team but also for the lad to learn from. Trouble is, even assuming money is no issue, who is there proven in the league who can do that who would come to us? Basically, no one. Not one - that description is for the likes of Aguero. So then we have to gamble on a player from another league; here, I’m out of touch. They will be very expensive (probably, although I’m not really worried about money as much as I was 5 years ago), if they flop the team suffers (plus financial losses, but see previous point in brackets) and there’s no guarantee that the player we bring in will be good for the team overall. Basically it’s a gamble vs investment. This is the time to invest, but faith investment. Rashford didn’t look any good to start with, Kane... I’d take both of them despite never initially rating them. Yet they’re so important to their teams. Anyone thinking that this next season is anything but a continued effort to build, securing the foundations laid after the clusterfuck of the previous 3-4 years is deluded; last season was plugging holes in a battered ship to survive. Now that we have done that, it’s time to steady things (more outs than in), and then we can build/expect for better. Change takes time and when you have the damage caused by Koeman and the precious debacle, it takes a lot of time. Much more than a season and 3 windows, after what we’ve suffered through. Bailey, Shukes, StevO and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 Thought of one id go for, and thatd be G Jesus from City. Otherwise... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 Marco come out at the end of the season and said the targets are in place and they know who they want. Whether it’s agents holding up the moves trying to get a better deal for themselves or whatever but if marcel hasn’t got the players in place he isn’t doing his job. We as fans have no inner workings of football or what goes on there’s deals that fall through at the last minutes probably every hour. It could be that we are waiting for Neymar or bale to go which allows the big fish to sort themselves out and all the “smaller” clubs can get about their business and then it trickles down. Obviously there is going to me more outs this season but to me another four players that Marco wants is an indication that we want to do business but at a sensible price. The kean deal to me smells of Mina from last year. We know they need to sell after there huge outlay this season so maybe we have bid prudently? He could have been in a pink and teal kit by now if we would have gone off the Walsh blue print Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 49 minutes ago, Matt said: Thought of one id go for, and thatd be G Jesus from City. Otherwise... I’ve got a city fan mate season ticket holder who doesn’t think he’s cut out for the premier league. I’d have him all day though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Matt said: He’d have been on (relative) buttons, and has done very well by all accounts. You do confuse me with your your... flexible approach to things we need to cut down the squad by a large amount, even players like pennington need to go and yes it's not much money but we need the wages saved and the squad smaller. walsh has us so bloated. i want us ala Spurs trim and with a proper wage scale and youngsters able to come through. 1 hour ago, Matt said: Thought of one id go for, and thatd be G Jesus from City. Otherwise... i ranted in another thread how i thought he wasn't good enough for this league. i still don't think he's good or worth much. DCL in that side would look that good too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makis Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 Issue is probably with the wages the club currently plays. They can't increase them further so have to shift players out first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 If it was just about the wages and not money to spend we would let the dead wood leave on frees or pay up their contracts, for the likes of Niasse Besic and Mirallas it wouldn’t be to costly but could save us well in excess of 100K a week in wages to be used on a top signing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 9 minutes ago, Palfy said: If it was just about the wages and not money to spend we would let the dead wood leave on frees or pay up their contracts, for the likes of Niasse Besic and Mirallas it wouldn’t be to costly but could save us well in excess of 100K a week in wages to be used on a top signing. If we started paying up contracts it adds up quickly. A player on £40k per week with one year left would be £2m. They have to recoup what they can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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