pete0 Posted April 29, 2019 Report Share Posted April 29, 2019 He's the same distance from the top 6 as Alladyce who inherited the Koeman mess. Silva has had it easier, full preseason plus 5 starters. Would the gap be this big of Alladyce stayed and had Digne, Zouma, Gomes, Bernard, and Richarlison to work with, I doubt it. StevO, MikeO and barryj 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted April 29, 2019 Report Share Posted April 29, 2019 1 hour ago, pete0 said: He's the same distance from the top 6 as Alladyce who inherited the Koeman mess. Silva has had it easier, full preseason plus 5 starters. Would the gap be this big of Alladyce stayed and had Digne, Zouma, Gomes, Bernard, and Richarlison to work with, I doubt it. Allerdyce is a specialist for swerving relegation by building a strong defensive foundation. He was called in, went back to basics with the squad and gave us a steady finish to a horrible season. Silva has then adopted that same mess that Allerdyce inherited us in, minus two players, and implemented a whole new style of play. This takes time, a lot more time than just drilling and team and forcing results. Look at Klopp for instance. In the last 10 games we are 5th in the form table, with 7 clean sheets and 14 goals, and only City and Liverpool have conceded less goals than us. The foundations of what Silva seems to be trying to do are starting to be layed down, a lot can be done better, like conceding two against Fulham who have won every game since they have been relegated, but hopefully that will come in time. I've been very disgruntled myself when we have lost games, but after calming down and having a look back on our over all form, it's encouraging. Allerdyce if still at the helm would have likely been on similar points, but the pattern of the season would have been completely different, including not being able to best the big sides, and implementing that style of football that not many successful modern clubs like to play. Matt and dunlopp9987 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryj Posted April 29, 2019 Report Share Posted April 29, 2019 3 hours ago, pete0 said: He's the same distance from the top 6 as Alladyce who inherited the Koeman mess. Silva has had it easier, full preseason plus 5 starters. Would the gap be this big of Alladyce stayed and had Digne, Zouma, Gomes, Bernard, and Richarlison to work with, I doubt it. No - the gap would have been bigger and I wouldn’t of enjoyed 10 seconds of football he would have severed up! Matt, MikeO, plaidharper and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggytop Posted April 30, 2019 Report Share Posted April 30, 2019 11 hours ago, pete0 said: Would the gap be this big of Alladyce stayed and had Digne, Zouma, Gomes, Bernard, and Richarlison to work with, I doubt it. They wouldn't have signed for us so it's academic, he would have signed a few 30 yr + players on 1 year deals with no long term plan apart from building his bank balance. plaidharper, markjazzbassist and Matt 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted April 30, 2019 Report Share Posted April 30, 2019 @Aidan That's exactly what we needed though, some strong foundations to build on. Realistically we would have got Digne, Zouma, Mina, Gomes, and Bernard in as I assume they were all targeted by Brands. The main difference signing is that we'd have brought in a central midfielder rather than Richarlison. Given what Alladyce managed to do with last seasons unbalanced mess surely it's only logical that he'd have done better with the new signings brought in. Silva also had us in relegation form. As for beating the top 6, Hodgson managed to beat Arsenal away this season. Alladyce has roughly a 1 in 5 against the top 6 which is a decent record considering he was managing worse teams than us for the majority. @barryj He had the likes of Anelka and Jay Jay Okocha playing decent stuff at Bolton. @Wiggytop Why wouldn't they? Other than Richarlison I don't see why any of the others wouldn't have come. The Barca boys would have been brought in by Brands and Bernard probably convinced by the money. Other than Zouma would any of the players have even heard of Silva? Talking of Zouma, he only come for first team football, if anything Allardyce would have been better for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted April 30, 2019 Report Share Posted April 30, 2019 What has allardyce achieved in football other than being known for a brand of football that makes his own fans want him gone? Has he ever won anything? Other than a playoff final I think I'm struggling. Silva has won the Portuguese second division, the Portuguese cup and Greek league.... he's not even 44 yet. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted April 30, 2019 Report Share Posted April 30, 2019 1 hour ago, hafnia said: What has allardyce achieved in football other than being known for a brand of football that makes his own fans want him gone? Has he ever won anything? Other than a playoff final I think I'm struggling. Silva has won the Portuguese second division, the Portuguese cup and Greek league.... he's not even 44 yet. Never been relegated so he's one step ahead of Silva there. Done well enough to get the England job and most Newcastle fans will admit they sacked him too soon. What clubs have finished higher without him? Most end up relegated which just shows how good a job he was doing just keeping them in the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted April 30, 2019 Report Share Posted April 30, 2019 9 minutes ago, pete0 said: Never been relegated so he's one step ahead of Silva there. Done well enough to get the England job and most Newcastle fans will admit they sacked him too soon. What clubs have finished higher without him? Most end up relegated which just shows how good a job he was going just keeping them in the league. Pete I just can't believe you seriously would have Allardyce over anyone. Marco got relegated with Hull after taking over in January in a hopeless position but still beat Liverpool along the way; I'd personally rather get relegated playing his way (not going to happen) than stay up playing the fat twat's anti football. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted April 30, 2019 Report Share Posted April 30, 2019 39 minutes ago, pete0 said: Never been relegated so he's one step ahead of Silva there. Done well enough to get the England job and most Newcastle fans will admit they sacked him too soon. What clubs have finished higher without him? Most end up relegated which just shows how good a job he was doing just keeping them in the league. He got relegated with Notts County..... and he's never won a trophy!!!! Marcos won a league and a cup and a second division and when allardyce was taking his first management role Marco was 13 years old.... Sam got the England job and got sacked after one game cos he's a greedy classless twat. Fat Sam is a consolidator, a greedy dinosaur, a bitter man who is envious of the managers who dare to play football..... all because in all his years managing all those clubs he won FUCK ALL. Matt and MikeO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deacs Posted April 30, 2019 Report Share Posted April 30, 2019 7 hours ago, pete0 said: He had the likes of Anelka and Jay Jay Okocha playing decent stuff at Bolton. That was nearly 20 years ago and he’s done very little right since then. barryj, plaidharper and Matt 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted May 1, 2019 Report Share Posted May 1, 2019 9 hours ago, hafnia said: He got relegated with Notts County..... and he's never won a trophy!!!! Marcos won a league and a cup and a second division and when allardyce was taking his first management role Marco was 13 years old.... Sam got the England job and got sacked after one game cos he's a greedy classless twat. Fat Sam is a consolidator, a greedy dinosaur, a bitter man who is envious of the managers who dare to play football..... all because in all his years managing all those clubs he won FUCK ALL. There was nearly always a place for Allardyce to try and save clubs from relegation and in the main he was successful at that, but would his style and brand of football take teams to the next level I would say not a chance and would I want to see it here no I wouldn't. 10 hours ago, pete0 said: Never been relegated so he's one step ahead of Silva there. Done well enough to get the England job and most Newcastle fans will admit they sacked him too soon. What clubs have finished higher without him? Most end up relegated which just shows how good a job he was doing just keeping them in the league. Pete most Newcastle fans protested week in week out and forced Ashley to get rid of him, they hated his style of football it went against everything they believed in and the vast majority of Evertonians felt the same way Sibdane, Matt and StevO 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plaidharper Posted May 1, 2019 Report Share Posted May 1, 2019 Please stop making me remember that gravy guzzling fat man who shall remain nameless. MikeO, markjazzbassist, Matt and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted May 1, 2019 Report Share Posted May 1, 2019 4 minutes ago, plaidharper said: Please stop making me remember that gravy guzzling fat man who shall remain nameless. You mean Sam? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted May 1, 2019 Report Share Posted May 1, 2019 20 hours ago, hafnia said: What has allardyce achieved in football other than being known for a brand of football that makes his own fans want him gone? Has he ever won anything? Other than a playoff final I think I'm struggling. Silva has won the Portuguese second division, the Portuguese cup and Greek league.... he's not even 44 yet. He’d have won titles with Real Madrid, don’t forget... Hafnia 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted May 1, 2019 Report Share Posted May 1, 2019 38 minutes ago, plaidharper said: Please stop making me remember that gravy guzzling fat man who shall remain nameless. Which is why I never refer to him by his name. He is a stain on our name and Brands and Silva are doing very well at removing it. Hafnia, MikeO and Romey 1878 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlbanyNYToffee Posted September 3, 2019 Author Report Share Posted September 3, 2019 Sorry for continuing down this path - just find it fascinating. 12-13: 3-6-3 15pts (6th) 13-14: 4-3-5 15pts (5th) 14-15: 1-4-7 7pts (11th) 15-16: 1-5-6 8pts (11th) 16-17: 2-4-6 10pts (7th) 17-18 0-4-8 4pts (8th) 18-19 3-2-6 10pts (8th) 19-20 TBD Utd 5-2-7 17pts City 2-5-7 11pts Chelsea 3-3-8 12pts Spurs 1-6-7 9pts Arsenal 3-4-7 13pts Shite 0-9-5 9pts Last time we beat each team in the league: Utd - April 21 2019 City - January 15 2017 Chelsea - March 17 2019 Arsenal - April 7 2019 Spurs - December 9 2012 Shite - October 17 2010 Last time we beat a top 6 team away: December 4 2013 (Man U) Record since 12-13 in games against top 6 home: 13-14-15 Record since 12-13 in games against top 6 away: 1-15-26 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted September 3, 2019 Report Share Posted September 3, 2019 1 hour ago, AlbanyNYToffee said: Sorry for continuing down this path - just find it fascinating. 12-13: 3-6-3 15pts (6th) 13-14: 4-3-5 15pts (5th) 14-15: 1-4-7 7pts (11th) 15-16: 1-5-6 8pts (11th) 16-17: 2-4-6 10pts (7th) 17-18 0-4-8 4pts (8th) 18-19 3-2-6 10pts (8th) 19-20 TBD Utd 5-2-7 17pts City 2-5-7 11pts Chelsea 3-3-8 12pts Spurs 1-6-7 9pts Arsenal 3-4-7 13pts Shite 0-9-5 9pts Last time we beat each team in the league: Utd - April 21 2019 City - January 15 2017 Chelsea - March 17 2019 Arsenal - April 7 2019 Spurs - December 9 2012 Shite - October 17 2010 Last time we beat a top 6 team away: December 4 2013 (Man U) Record since 12-13 in games against top 6 home: 13-14-15 Record since 12-13 in games against top 6 away: 1-15-26 Strange that while Liverpool are the only team we've not beaten over that period they've beaten us fewer times than any of the other five. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted September 3, 2019 Report Share Posted September 3, 2019 I think its our record against the bottom 6 you need to worry about. Palfy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted September 3, 2019 Report Share Posted September 3, 2019 Is it that bad Bill? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted September 3, 2019 Report Share Posted September 3, 2019 48 minutes ago, Bill said: I think its our record against the bottom 6 you need to worry about. 16 minutes ago, StevO said: Is it that bad Bill? Unquantifiable by the same criteria because the bottom six change every season, it'd take a fair bit of work checking year on year to come up with the answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted September 3, 2019 Report Share Posted September 3, 2019 51 minutes ago, MikeO said: ....it'd take a fair bit of work checking year on year to come up with the answer. Waiting for the vote in the house I decided to do it... 12/13 6-4-2 13/14 6-4-2 14/15 6-2-4 15/16 7-4-1 16/17 6-3-3 17/18 6-5-1 18/19 8-1-3 Total of 45-23-16 = 158 points at 1.88 points per game. pete0 and Bailey 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted September 3, 2019 Report Share Posted September 3, 2019 I didn't think anybody would be daft enough to look it up Mike. Two brownie points for that. MikeO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted September 3, 2019 Report Share Posted September 3, 2019 5 minutes ago, Bill said: I didn't think anybody would be daft enough to look it up Mike. Two brownie points for that. You can count on me Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted September 4, 2019 Report Share Posted September 4, 2019 5 hours ago, MikeO said: You can count on me Bill If you ask me, the real problem is how we fare against the middle-tier teams - those who finish 7th to 14th. barryj, MikeO, Shukes and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted September 4, 2019 Report Share Posted September 4, 2019 5 hours ago, Cornish Steve said: If you ask me, the real problem is how we fare against the middle-tier teams - those who finish 7th to 14th. F'ck off. Cornish Steve 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Cornish Steve Posted September 5, 2019 Report Share Posted September 5, 2019 16 hours ago, MikeO said: F'ck off. There's just no love in the place any more - well, except for Bill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post AlbanyNYToffee Posted February 22, 2021 Author Popular Post Report Share Posted February 22, 2021 Finally beating the shite got me thinking about this again so just updating quickly. 12-13: 3-6-3 15pts (6th) 13-14: 4-3-5 15pts (5th) 14-15: 1-4-7 7pts (11th) 15-16: 1-5-6 8pts (11th) 16-17: 2-4-6 10pts (7th) 17-18 0-4-8 4pts (8th) 18-19 3-2-6 10pts (8th) 19-20 1-5-6 8pts (12th) 20-21 4-2-2 14pts (4 games left to go) Utd 5-5-8 20pts City 2-5-10 11pts (still to play Away in 20/21) Chelsea 5-3-9 18pts (still to play Away in 20/21) Spurs 2-7-8 13pts (still to play Home in 20/21) Arsenal 4-5-8 17pts (still to play Away in 20/21) Shite 1-11-6 14pts Last time we beat each team in the league: Utd - April 21 2019 City - January 15 2017 (we've lost our last 6 against them. We've scored 5 and conceded 16) Chelsea - December 12 2020 Arsenal - December 19 2020 Spurs - September 13 2020 Shite - February 20 2021 Last time we beat a top 6 team away: Had been December 4 2013 (Man U) but we've done it twice this season - Spurs and the shite. Record since 12-13 in games against top 6 home: 16-19-18 (Spurs Home to add) 35 pts in 53 games for .66/gm Record since 12-13 in games against top 6 away: 3-17-31 (Chelsea, City, Arsenal to add) 20 pts in 51 games for .39/gm Record behind closed doors: 4-3-3 15 pts in 10 games for 1.5/gm Carlo's record: 4-4-6 16 pts in 14 games for 1.14/gm (at some point I'd like to compare this to Martinez, Koeman, Silva) Romey 1878, Sibdane, RuffRob and 6 others 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted February 22, 2021 Report Share Posted February 22, 2021 I appreciate the effort put into this! MikeO, StevO, Matt and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunlopp9987 Posted February 22, 2021 Report Share Posted February 22, 2021 Looking at that, we should be able to easily surpass our previous points tally of 15. Biggest difference this year is that with the topsy-turvy nature of this season, the "Big 6" aren't performing up to their usual standards. Any other season, if you looked at that and saw we had collected 14 points against the "Big 6" with 4 games remaining, you'd assume we were squarely in a position for Europe. Now, we are still very much in the mix for a top 4 finish, but because this season has been so bonkers, those 14 points don't carry as much weight as they would in any other season. Funnily enough, it could be the 4 points we took off Leicester and if we can claim 3 against West Ham that might make the difference. Never would've thought that heading into the season RuffRob 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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