markjazzbassist Posted January 1, 2020 Report Share Posted January 1, 2020 Unless it’s on a free it doesn’t make sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted January 1, 2020 Report Share Posted January 1, 2020 2 hours ago, Makis said: That option would want at least a three year contract and wages would probably be around 100kpw. So this 32-year old would cost the club about 15 million in wages alone. And no-one would take a 34-year old off our hands even for free so he would see the contract out. Have we not learned anything from the other players the club doesn't need anymore but who can't be shifted because no-one else is as stupid? If he contributes to us winning, I couldn’t care less about age or resale value. By your logic we wouldn’t have signed Barry, who was one of our best midfielders in recent memory StevO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted January 1, 2020 Report Share Posted January 1, 2020 I hate this resale talk all the time. Football used to be about winning football matches , not just how much profit you can make from a player. We’re never going grow by being a selling team. Buy players to improve the team, not to train them for bigger teams. Matt and StevO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makis Posted January 1, 2020 Report Share Posted January 1, 2020 That's still a fact of life unless you are owned by arabs or are called Real Madrid. Our turnover is half of Spurs's and even less against the other top teams. We will not buy better players than them if we just buy players at their prime. DownUnderToff 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted January 1, 2020 Report Share Posted January 1, 2020 It’s about a certain player to add to your team/squad. Like people have said it’s not about the re sale value it’s about the value. It’s about watching a class player that gives enjoyment to us as blues and can bring the younger players on. StevO and Shukes 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted January 1, 2020 Report Share Posted January 1, 2020 Will he make us a better team? Yes. Sign him. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makis Posted January 1, 2020 Report Share Posted January 1, 2020 57 minutes ago, Finn balor said: It’s about a certain player to add to your team/squad. Like people have said it’s not about the re sale value it’s about the value. It’s about watching a class player that gives enjoyment to us as blues and can bring the younger players on. We tried that with Walsh & Koeman. We are still paying I don't know how many millions to some of those players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmytheJimster Posted January 2, 2020 Report Share Posted January 2, 2020 If you think about it as a business, you bring him in and he improves the team, the team will finish higher up the league, gaining more money and improving the reputation of the club ie more shirt sales and maybe bring higher calibre players to us. He'd also rub off on our younger players, which in turn will increase their value. So his lack of sell on value could be off set by what he would bring to the club in other ways, we could easily make £8.5 million back. I don't include wages as you would have to pay someone else a wage to take his place. It's not the older players that our holding the club back, it's the players we signed for big money on big wages, who are no where near the first team and we can't move on. Matt and StevO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makis Posted January 2, 2020 Report Share Posted January 2, 2020 I would like that player to be at least at the 100kpw level three years from now, not just for the next season. Mertens will be 35 in three years time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chicagoblue Posted January 2, 2020 Report Share Posted January 2, 2020 Are we winning anything this year? Not likely. So next year he's 33 and we're starting the project again. Don't see it. Think Carlo/Brands will go very young, with possible exception of an top rate CM/CF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted January 2, 2020 Report Share Posted January 2, 2020 6 hours ago, Makis said: I would like that player to be at least at the 100kpw level three years from now, not just for the next season. Mertens will be 35 in three years time. You are assuming he will only sign a three year contract. If it’s that bad bringing in a 32 year old then no club will offer a contract of that length, therefore he would have to sign a shorter deal. Barry and Jags both served the club well in their 30s, Baines is doing so now. Nothing wrong with having good experienced pros in the team. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted January 3, 2020 Report Share Posted January 3, 2020 4 hours ago, StevO said: You are assuming he will only sign a three year contract. If it’s that bad bringing in a 32 year old then no club will offer a contract of that length, therefore he would have to sign a shorter deal. Barry and Jags both served the club well in their 30s, Baines is doing so now. Nothing wrong with having good experienced pros in the team. I agree you do need some good old heads in the squad, whether you pay 100k a week and give them a 3 year deal who knows, but you have to bite the bullet at some point and take the gamble or you just stand still and not move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makis Posted January 3, 2020 Report Share Posted January 3, 2020 7 hours ago, StevO said: You are assuming he will only sign a three year contract. If it’s that bad bringing in a 32 year old then no club will offer a contract of that length, therefore he would have to sign a shorter deal. Barry and Jags both served the club well in their 30s, Baines is doing so now. Nothing wrong with having good experienced pros in the team. Why wouldn't he? Why would he settle for a shorter contract? This will be his last big contract. He wouldn't be moving to Everton to win trophies, that's for sure. Is he really so good we can't get better and will he really improve the team that much? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted January 3, 2020 Report Share Posted January 3, 2020 9 hours ago, Makis said: Why wouldn't he? Why would he settle for a shorter contract? This will be his last big contract. He wouldn't be moving to Everton to win trophies, that's for sure. Is he really so good we can't get better and will he really improve the team that much? But if a player that age shouldn’t get a three year deal then no one will give him one. If he is offered them kind of deals then he’s worth it in the market. Alternatively, he might like the idea of getting a one year contract and moving on for a nice signing on fee every year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makis Posted January 3, 2020 Report Share Posted January 3, 2020 So, Sigurdsson was worth what we paid for him and Schneiderlin is worth 120k pw? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chicagoblue Posted January 3, 2020 Report Share Posted January 3, 2020 3 hours ago, Makis said: So, Sigurdsson was worth what we paid for him and Schneiderlin is worth 120k pw? Assume that's tongue in cheek. Don't think anyone else would've pay what we did. It was a mad time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makis Posted January 4, 2020 Report Share Posted January 4, 2020 According to StevO they were worth it: "If he is offered them kind of deals then he’s worth it in the market. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted January 4, 2020 Report Share Posted January 4, 2020 7 minutes ago, Makis said: According to StevO they were worth it: "If he is offered them kind of deals then he’s worth it in the market. " I’m not commenting on the player at all. I’m commenting on your opinion that he’ll only sign a three year deal. If there are clubs out there offering him a three year deal then he is worth a three year deal, that’s what the market dictates. If he isnt being offered three year deals then the market dictates he isn’t worth a three year deal. It’s not complicated, it’s how markets work. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted January 4, 2020 Report Share Posted January 4, 2020 15 hours ago, Makis said: So, Sigurdsson was worth what we paid for him and Schneiderlin is worth 120k pw? When we bought Sigurdsson that was the price. We didn’t have to buy him but if we wanted him that’s what it would cost, the club were happy to pay it. When we signed Schneiderlin I don’t think anyone would complain what he was on in that first six months. He was a top performer when he came in. That was the same money he was on at United, if we wanted him that was what it cost and the club were happy to pay it. Both of these situations are very similar, and in both situations the club thought it was acceptable to pay it. You can buy a Bentley for £100k, a lot of people don’t think it’s worth it. You don’t have to buy it. But if you can afford it and you want it and you see the value, it’s your choice. You can buy shoes for a tenner or shoes for a grand, if you’re willing to pay it that’s what it’s worth. The person selling doesn’t have to change the price, the person buying doesn’t have to buy. Everything is worth what someone is willing to pay for it. The same goes for footballers. Pogba and Lukaku worth their value? Not in my eyes, but United were happy to pay those prices so that’s the price. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makis Posted January 4, 2020 Report Share Posted January 4, 2020 17 minutes ago, StevO said: I’m not commenting on the player at all. I’m commenting on your opinion that he’ll only sign a three year deal. If there are clubs out there offering him a three year deal then he is worth a three year deal, that’s what the market dictates. If he isnt being offered three year deals then the market dictates he isn’t worth a three year deal. It’s not complicated, it’s how markets work. Well, I don't want Everton to be the idiots who over-inflate prices like that. Rather see us spend the money wisely. Btay 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted January 4, 2020 Report Share Posted January 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Makis said: Well, I don't want Everton to be the idiots who over-inflate prices like that. Rather see us spend the money wisely. So do I, but if there is a player we want and the selling team want big money it’s either pay the price or don’t get the player. If they want him enough they’ll pay it. We saw last year they wouldn’t go to Palace’s valuation on Zaha, they wanted him but not that much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 https://tbrfootball.com/in-demand-victor-osimhen-spotted-on-instagram-wearing-an-everton-shirt/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 another striker? are we really selling DCL or Richarlison? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makis Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 Think he got that shirt from Iwobi as a present. markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 Footballer wears football shirt shocker. Non story, but if we buy another striker it’s no problem. If we are to continue with two upfront then having four is ideal. Btay 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted March 19, 2020 Report Share Posted March 19, 2020 2 hours ago, StevO said: Footballer wears football shirt shocker. Non story, but if we buy another striker it’s no problem. If we are to continue with two upfront then having four is ideal. First time in a long time I think we are okay here. Dom and Richie first 2 - both with room to develop and doing a great job. “If” Kean kicks on and becomes what is expected of him then we will have 3 of the best strikers in the league - I don’t want another striker taking up his minutes. Simms is in the pipe line as well and has obviously got the talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUnderToff Posted April 4, 2020 Report Share Posted April 4, 2020 Gordon was playing as a Striker for the u23s as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drs1972 Posted September 29, 2020 Report Share Posted September 29, 2020 In light of 3 starts & 3 defeats for Fulham and a tweet by Fulham's vice-chairman (Tony Khan) last night "I promise players in and better efforts from this squad", I can only hope Brands is on the case and is offering them all of our (ridiculously paid) dead wood, not marketed like that but you get to my drift. I don't believe we will get rid of even half of this list (in this window) BUT I would be very happy getting rid of any of them but realistically think it would be more like any from Walcott down on my list. I'd then quickly reinvest saved wages &/or transfer fees to purchase a decent CB or winger - quickly. I can but live in hope. Sigurdsson - The Crab Davies - I really want him to succeed love seeing scousers in our squad but... Delph - sick note Walcott - impotent, on the pitch anyway Tosun - injured I know Ramirez - El Fantasma Besic - The bruiser Bolasie - seems to be a lovely guy but from a footie perspective words fail me Matt and AlbanyNYToffee 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggytop Posted September 29, 2020 Report Share Posted September 29, 2020 2 hours ago, Drs1972 said: In light of 3 starts & 3 defeats for Fulham and a tweet by Fulham's vice-chairman (Tony Khan) last night "I promise players in and better efforts from this squad", I can only hope Brands is on the case and is offering them all of our (ridiculously paid) dead wood, not marketed like that but you get to my drift. I don't believe we will get rid of even half of this list (in this window) BUT I would be very happy getting rid of any of them but realistically think it would be more like any from Walcott down on my list. I'd then quickly reinvest saved wages &/or transfer fees to purchase a decent CB or winger - quickly. I can but live in hope. Sigurdsson - The Crab Davies - I really want him to succeed love seeing scousers in our squad but... Delph - sick note Walcott - impotent, on the pitch anyway Tosun - injured I know Ramirez - El Fantasma Besic - The bruiser Bolasie - seems to be a lovely guy but from a footie perspective words fail me Well spotted, I’d be happy for them to take Delph, Ramirez Bolassie and Besic, Tosuns a good finisher maybe worth keeping hold for this season as back up for DCL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWooney Posted September 29, 2020 Report Share Posted September 29, 2020 I don't think sig is going anywhere unless he's unhappy at being back up. I think Ancelotti sees him as a valuable backup to Gomes on a game by game basis and can cover generally in midfield if needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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