Bailey Posted July 6, 2021 Report Share Posted July 6, 2021 There is no way we will be fighting relegation under Rafa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwlad Posted July 6, 2021 Report Share Posted July 6, 2021 No way relegation but we have had so many false dawns and I do feel optimistic that we will have a good season. Dont know what Coutinho has to do with this though!! chicagoblue and StevO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted July 6, 2021 Report Share Posted July 6, 2021 31 minutes ago, SpartyBlue said: Is our confidence really that low as supporters? Yes, but ask me again after the transfer window has closed and we’ve played a few games in the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted July 6, 2021 Report Share Posted July 6, 2021 43 minutes ago, SpartyBlue said: Why do we act like the cupboard is bare? We had our best record vs. the traditional top 6 in our Premier League history. I think we’d all agree we have quality at the back. We have DCL and Richarlison at last check. We have Allan and Doucoure in the middle. Yes, we have holes to fill but so do most squads. Why is there any reason to believe a relegation type season is even a remote possibility? Is our confidence really that low as supporters? We have a different manager with a track record of playing anti-football and getting bottom half finishes. That record you are talking about was with a guy that’s now at Real Madrid. confidence is at Sam allardyce levels of low for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted July 6, 2021 Report Share Posted July 6, 2021 I think it is too raw for people to be truly rational about Benitez. As others have said we need to wait to see who we sign and how the team performs for the first couple of months before we can judge. By then we will know what type of team he wants and what kind of football we will play. duncanmckenzieismagic and StevO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted July 7, 2021 Report Share Posted July 7, 2021 7 hours ago, markjazzbassist said: We have a different manager with a track record of playing anti-football and getting bottom half finishes. That record you are talking about was with a guy that’s now at Real Madrid. confidence is at Sam allardyce levels of low for me. I think some of Carlo’s tactics last season where about as anti-football as can be. 4 CB’s in the back 4 and so on. I think Rafa will be more expressive than that but I expect us to be organised, compact and hard to beat. We could be set up very nicely for our game winners to be effective - I’m growing with confidence every day and I just hope we get those 3/4 players we need this window. chicagoblue, Matt, Hafnia and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted July 7, 2021 Report Share Posted July 7, 2021 8 hours ago, markjazzbassist said: We have a different manager with a track record of playing anti-football and getting bottom half finishes. That record you are talking about was with a guy that’s now at Real Madrid. confidence is at Sam allardyce levels of low for me. If Carlo Ancellotti wasn't the name of our manager last year do you think we would have accepted the football being served? Reputation counts for a lot and he fully took the piss in my opinion. I actually think he was just a formation/tactic picker. No coaching nothing. Give Rafa a go Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted July 7, 2021 Report Share Posted July 7, 2021 9 hours ago, markjazzbassist said: We have a different manager with a track record of playing anti-football and getting bottom half finishes. That record you are talking about was with a guy that’s now at Real Madrid. confidence is at Sam allardyce levels of low for me. We have a different manager who's won titles playing his supposed anti-football. Oh, and that guy who's at the club that tried to destroy football as we know it after flat out lying to everyone should be washed away like a bad stain. Move on, get behind the new guy. London Blue and Btay 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted July 7, 2021 Report Share Posted July 7, 2021 10 hours ago, London Blue said: I think it is too raw for people to be truly rational about Benitez. As others have said we need to wait to see who we sign and how the team performs for the first couple of months before we can judge. By then we will know what type of team he wants and what kind of football we will play. Yep, this. It’s hard to know what he will do as it’s been a while since he had a half decent squad. Only time will tell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted July 7, 2021 Report Share Posted July 7, 2021 4 hours ago, Matt said: We have a different manager who's won titles playing his supposed anti-football winning the championship is a big deal now? should we hire Farke then, he's won it as well. low bar matt, very low bar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted July 7, 2021 Report Share Posted July 7, 2021 4 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said: winning the championship is a big deal now? should we hire Farke then, he's won it as well. low bar matt, very low bar. Tbf, that's not the only title he's won. Zoo 2.0 and Matt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted July 7, 2021 Report Share Posted July 7, 2021 32 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said: Tbf, that's not the only title he's won. italian cup 4 jobs ago in 2014. 7 years ago. that's the most recent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted July 7, 2021 Report Share Posted July 7, 2021 4 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said: italian cup 4 jobs ago in 2014. 7 years ago. that's the most recent. Bit more recent than us winning anything then. Zoo 2.0 and Matt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted July 7, 2021 Report Share Posted July 7, 2021 56 minutes ago, MikeO said: Bit more recent than us winning anything then. again a very very low bar mike. reminds me of the Overton Window in politics. Pitch something so outrageous that the shit compromise is seen as a win. Michael Laudrup is available, he's won a league cup, maybe we should have a go at him next. I blame moshiri 100%. he's running the club into mediocrity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuffRob Posted July 7, 2021 Report Share Posted July 7, 2021 1 hour ago, markjazzbassist said: italian cup 4 jobs ago in 2014. 7 years ago. that's the most recent. don't think there is much room to rubbish Benitez's CV. Out of realistic and likely candidates for the Everton managers job at this moment in time, his trophy winning record was by far the best, and in the main most of his trophy's have come in teams that where punching above there weight at the time. I would have loved to have won any cup as recent as 7 years ago!! Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted July 7, 2021 Report Share Posted July 7, 2021 4 hours ago, markjazzbassist said: winning the championship is a big deal now? should we hire Farke then, he's won it as well. low bar matt, very low bar. What are you talking about you numpty?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted July 7, 2021 Report Share Posted July 7, 2021 10 hours ago, Btay said: I think some of Carlo’s tactics last season where about as anti-football as can be. 4 CB’s in the back 4 and so on. I think Rafa will be more expressive than that but I expect us to be organised, compact and hard to beat. We could be set up very nicely for our game winners to be effective - I’m growing with confidence every day and I just hope we get those 3/4 players we need this window. Don't forget Rafa played Carragher at right back and Gerard wide for a chunk of his time across the park! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chicagoblue Posted July 7, 2021 Report Share Posted July 7, 2021 11 hours ago, Btay said: I think some of Carlo’s tactics last season where about as anti-football as can be. 4 CB’s in the back 4 and so on. I think Rafa will be more expressive than that but I expect us to be organised, compact and hard to beat. We could be set up very nicely for our game winners to be effective - I’m growing with confidence every day and I just hope we get those 3/4 players we need this window. Everything turns on those 3/4 having pace and power. Speaking of which, Coutinho has neither, so can we please bin this nonsense? pete0 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted July 9, 2021 Report Share Posted July 9, 2021 On 08/07/2021 at 02:49, Bailey said: Don't forget Rafa played Carragher at right back and Gerard wide for a chunk of his time across the park! Yeah but Moyes had Neville and Rodwell doing the same so he was probably just trying to copy Moyes’s brilliance! Bailey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted July 10, 2021 Report Share Posted July 10, 2021 On 08/07/2021 at 02:58, chicagoblue said: Everything turns on those 3/4 having pace and power. Speaking of which, Coutinho has neither, so can we please bin this nonsense? For starters I think it’s imperative that we get some more athletic players in, I have been vocal about that. However, if coutinho is available he is worth a gamble. StevO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted December 27, 2021 Report Share Posted December 27, 2021 Seems to be a lot of noise coming out of the Spanish press about this again lately http://sportwitness.co.uk/everton-asked-january-signing-hope-building-deal-can-go-next-month/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted December 27, 2021 Report Share Posted December 27, 2021 16 minutes ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said: Seems to be a lot of noise coming out of the Spanish press about this again lately http://sportwitness.co.uk/everton-asked-january-signing-hope-building-deal-can-go-next-month/ This scares the shit out of me he’s on €22 million a year what would we have to pay to get him here, I’m sure he would be allowed to go on free to anyone prepared to pay him 2-3 hundred K a week , I just hope we aren’t silly enough to go down that route again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuffRob Posted December 27, 2021 Report Share Posted December 27, 2021 I really don't see Coutinio or Ramsey type as markets we would currently be shopping in. Having spent much of the last 12 months trimming down the wage bit. both players would improve our squad, but the quick fix signings are what we have been guilty of in the past. Lets hope talented youngsters is now the modus operandi. It's not even as if a 'cheap' half season loan would help much either - its not like we need that little bit extra to get CL or even Europe. This season is perfect for writing off and concentrating more about putting down a solid foundation for the future. Bailey and StevO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted December 27, 2021 Report Share Posted December 27, 2021 1 hour ago, RuffRob said: I really don't see Coutinio or Ramsey type as markets we would currently be shopping in. Having spent much of the last 12 months trimming down the wage bit. both players would improve our squad, but the quick fix signings are what we have been guilty of in the past. Lets hope talented youngsters is now the modus operandi. It's not even as if a 'cheap' half season loan would help much either - its not like we need that little bit extra to get CL or even Europe. This season is perfect for writing off and concentrating more about putting down a solid foundation for the future. I understand and sort of agree, but it never sits right with me to write a season off. You can’t ask fans to pay for season tickets (and pre warning us next year will be more expensive), shirts, tv subscriptions and then write the season off early. Maybe in April, but not December. We still need to be aiming to win as many games as possible, even at this point we could qualify for Europe however unlikely it may be. 15 league games with Coutinho on the pitch for us, on loan, could make a big difference. Romey 1878 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted December 27, 2021 Report Share Posted December 27, 2021 This would be bizarre when the manager's first act was to ship James out. StevO, Shukes, Matt and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted December 27, 2021 Report Share Posted December 27, 2021 I just see a rumour like this and wonder whether the club really are learning their lessons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuffRob Posted December 27, 2021 Report Share Posted December 27, 2021 1 hour ago, StevO said: I understand and sort of agree, but it never sits right with me to write a season off. You can’t ask fans to pay for season tickets (and pre warning us next year will be more expensive), shirts, tv subscriptions and then write the season off early. Maybe in April, but not December. We still need to be aiming to win as many games as possible, even at this point we could qualify for Europe however unlikely it may be. 15 league games with Coutinho on the pitch for us, on loan, could make a big difference. Always have to aim to win as many games as possible. However, spending needs to be sensible and I am not sure millions on wages for a Courtiho or Ramsey type is worth it this season. If we where knocking on the door of CL football, i can understand a 'push' or bring in a bit of short term quality to the team in the January transfsr window. This squad needs more fundamental work than just a bit of icing on the top. StevO and dunlopp9987 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted December 27, 2021 Report Share Posted December 27, 2021 We cant afford his wages, not if we are to get a right back, back up striker and winger. Non starter for me, unless uncle Farhad has found a way to get Usmanov to sponsor the blades of grass individually at GP. Matt, Romey 1878, dunlopp9987 and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted December 27, 2021 Report Share Posted December 27, 2021 Only two facts matter to me: expensive and past his prime. In the current environment (if ever), please no. Palfy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted December 30, 2021 Report Share Posted December 30, 2021 https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/everton-philippe-coutinho-farhad-moshiri-22602708 Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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