Gwlad Posted August 30, 2021 Report Share Posted August 30, 2021 2 hours ago, StevO said: Leighton is still at the club. Don’t worry. Not a bad shout! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted August 30, 2021 Author Report Share Posted August 30, 2021 This seems incredibly stupid. Sibdane 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted August 30, 2021 Report Share Posted August 30, 2021 Makes no sense but that seems to be a common theme this summer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted August 30, 2021 Report Share Posted August 30, 2021 Well Rafa must have a plan for the full back positions. We should just trust him and get behind him. I did not have a straight face when typing that. markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpartyBlue Posted August 30, 2021 Report Share Posted August 30, 2021 52 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said: This seems incredibly stupid. I mean Niels is poor defensively at this point. He’s not cover if he can’t cover. Best for his longterm development to get regular games. Matt and Bailey 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted August 30, 2021 Author Report Share Posted August 30, 2021 3 minutes ago, SpartyBlue said: I mean Niels is poor defensively at this point. He’s not cover if he can’t cover. Best for his longterm development to get regular games. I don’t mind him going out on loan, but it doesn’t look like we’ll bring in cover - that’s the stupid part. duncanmckenzieismagic and Bailey 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted August 30, 2021 Report Share Posted August 30, 2021 2 hours ago, c1982 said: Played both left and right for Arsenal. Pretty sure he was their left back when they won the FA Cup when Arteta first took over. He's a midfielder just covering the full back positions. Might as well just do that with what we have. No way does he get in our midfield, and he's no better than Kenny at right back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c1982 Posted August 31, 2021 Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 7 hours ago, pete0 said: He's a midfielder just covering the full back positions. Might as well just do that with what we have. No way does he get in our midfield, and he's no better than Kenny at right back. No, he’s a player who started as a midfielder but has since shown his versatility by performing well in the full-back/wing-back positions at the highest level. Matty Cash, at Villa, has had a similar positional career progression is he still just a midfielder covering full-back or just because he’s done it for a couple of seasons (very well) is he a full-back who used to play in midfield? I know - nonsense! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted August 31, 2021 Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 5 hours ago, c1982 said: No, he’s a player who started as a midfielder but has since shown his versatility by performing well in the full-back/wing-back positions at the highest level. Matty Cash, at Villa, has had a similar positional career progression is he still just a midfielder covering full-back or just because he’s done it for a couple of seasons (very well) is he a full-back who used to play in midfield? I know - nonsense! Spent last season on loan playing CM for wba. He's only covered at right back 39 times compared to a 160 in midfield. Would you call Holgate a right back or Steve Watson a striker? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c1982 Posted August 31, 2021 Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 23 minutes ago, pete0 said: Spent last season on loan playing CM for wba. He's only covered at right back 39 times compared to a 160 in midfield. Would you call Holgate a right back or Steve Watson a striker? …or Phil Neville a central midfielder or Valencia a right back or Ronaldo a winger… some players understand a number of roles and if ‘central midfielder’ Maitland-Niles comes here and proves to be the best option we have at right-back then good luck to him - maybe he proves a good option in central midfield for us - I don’t really care as long as EFC are succeeding! Matt and MikeO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted August 31, 2021 Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 13 hours ago, pete0 said: He's a midfielder just covering the full back positions. Might as well just do that with what we have. No way does he get in our midfield, and he's no better than Kenny at right back. If that was the case I would have thought Kenny would have got the England call up. Naitland miles marked Salah out the game in the charity shield at full back ... Won motm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted August 31, 2021 Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 19 minutes ago, c1982 said: …or Phil Neville a central midfielder or Valencia a right back or Ronaldo a winger… some players understand a number of roles and if ‘central midfielder’ Maitland-Niles comes here and proves to be the best option we have at right-back then good luck to him - maybe he proves a good option in central midfield for us - I don’t really care as long as EFC are succeeding! Phil Neville was one of the better right backs in the league. I wouldn't even consider comparing him to centre mids as he wasn't one. He was very much covering. Comparing a winger going from right mid to right back is hardly an argument. Massively different set of skills between central midfield and right back. Ronaldo is the best player in the world, hardly reflective of most players. How many players play in two positions just as well. Most have a primary position, and any where else they play is secondary. I'd much rather get a right back in who excels in that position rather than someone who merely fills in when there's injuries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted August 31, 2021 Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 25 minutes ago, Hafnia said: If that was the case I would have thought Kenny would have got the England call up. Naitland miles marked Salah out the game in the charity shield at full back ... Won motm. Would he have that call up if he played for a none sky 6? Keiron Gibbs get many more caps after leaving Arsenal. Cusco Martina had him in his pocket for 89 minutes, and even then it was a slip rather than Salah's skill that let him down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c1982 Posted August 31, 2021 Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 5 minutes ago, pete0 said: Phil Neville was one of the better right backs in the league. I wouldn't even consider comparing him to centre mids as he wasn't one. He was very much covering. Comparing a winger going from right mid to right back is hardly an argument. Massively different set of skills between central midfield and right back. Ronaldo is the best player in the world, hardly reflective of most players. How many players play in two positions just as well. Most have a primary position, and any where else they play is secondary. I'd much rather get a right back in who excels in that position rather than someone who merely fills in when there's injuries. I don’t care! As it stands, we are potentially signing Maitland-Niles - a player I think will be a good addition as he is versatile and would be an upgrade on Kenny/ good competition to Coleman at right but also provide good cover/competition in central midfield. If we were desperate, he’s even been known to provide cover competently at left back… anyway back to Neils not Niles! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted August 31, 2021 Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 3 minutes ago, pete0 said: Phil Neville was one of the better right backs in the league. I wouldn't even consider comparing him to centre mids as he wasn't one. He was very much covering. Comparing a winger going from right mid to right back is hardly an argument. Massively different set of skills between central midfield and right back. Ronaldo is the best player in the world, hardly reflective of most players. How many players play in two positions just as well. Most have a primary position, and any where else they play is secondary. I'd much rather get a right back in who excels in that position rather than someone who merely fills in when there's injuries. Loads of players can play various positions to a very high level. Rooney played centre half for the youth team and looked accomplished enough to be a bonafide option. Phil Neville had a certain style of play that he could apply to centre mid in the same way he did at right back. He was disciplined, marked Patrick Viera out of a game when at Man United. His best game for Everton by a mile was in midfield Vs Man United in the 4-4 draw that cost the mancs the title. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted August 31, 2021 Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 3 minutes ago, pete0 said: Would he have that call up if he played for a none sky 6? Keiron Gibbs get many more caps after leaving Arsenal. Cusco Martina had him in his pocket for 89 minutes, and even then it was a slip rather than Salah's skill that let him down. Based on the fact that arsenal had no other England call ups at the time I don't see your point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted August 31, 2021 Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 10 minutes ago, Hafnia said: Based on the fact that arsenal had no other England call ups at the time I don't see your point. How's that an argument? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted August 31, 2021 Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 If either of you bring up Lukaku, Gana or the fat twat of a manager, you're going on time out. Just a friendly heads up StevO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted August 31, 2021 Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 10 minutes ago, pete0 said: How's that an argument? Because there have been a total of 4 Arsenal players called up for England in the past 9 years ..... In the same time 7 Everton players have been called up. Simple. The supposed top 6 bias is not evident in this argument. Either way, Kenny isn't good enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted August 31, 2021 Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 1 minute ago, Hafnia said: Because there have been a total of 4 Arsenal players called up for England in the past 9 years ..... In the same time 7 Everton players have been called up. Simple. The supposed top 6 bias is not evident in this argument. Either way, Kenny isn't good enough. How is that relevant? Point is, if he wasn't at a sky team he wouldn't get called up. How many call ups did Gibbs get after leaving Arsenal. How many did Townsend get after leaving Spurs? How many has Delph had since leaving man city? Bertrand after leaving Chelsea? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted August 31, 2021 Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 11 minutes ago, pete0 said: How is that relevant? Point is, if he wasn't at a sky team he wouldn't get called up. How many call ups did Gibbs get after leaving Arsenal. How many did Townsend get after leaving Spurs? How many has Delph had since leaving man city? Bertrand after leaving Chelsea? Bertrand more caps as a Southampton player for England. Delph can't even get picked for Everton so how the heck is he gonna get picked for England? Gibbs left arsenal at 28.... Again not being picked for them as his career had plummeted. Bad examples. The relevance of my point is, if you are good enough you get picked. Everton have had more players represent England than Arsenal and we aren't a top 6 side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted August 31, 2021 Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 21 minutes ago, Hafnia said: Bertrand more caps as a Southampton player for England. Delph can't even get picked for Everton so how the heck is he gonna get picked for England? Gibbs left arsenal at 28.... Again not being picked for them as his career had plummeted. Bad examples. The relevance of my point is, if you are good enough you get picked. Everton have had more players represent England than Arsenal and we aren't a top 6 side. Got bertrand wrong, but the point still stands. Nothing wrong with the Gibbs and Delph examples. I'll add Joe Hart instead of Bertrand then. One of far too many players who were never good enough for England but only got a chance as they were at a top 6. The other way, look at how long DCL waited for a cap compared to Solanke. Any how, back on topic. Everton should be looking for better than Arsenal's 4th choice right back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c1982 Posted August 31, 2021 Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 5 minutes ago, pete0 said: Any how, back on topic. Everton should be looking for better than Arsenal's 4th choice right back. This is the Niels Nkounkou topic - as per topic title ☝ pete0 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwlad Posted August 31, 2021 Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 2 hours ago, c1982 said: ... 51 minutes ago, c1982 said: This is the Niels Nkounkou topic - as per topic title ☝ anyway back to Neils not Niles! Lines being drawn I see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunlopp9987 Posted August 31, 2021 Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 Confirmed, off to Standard Liege on a season-long loan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted August 31, 2021 Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 Liked the look of this kid. Hope he gets plenty of game time and makes progress. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted August 31, 2021 Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 Very strange decision to loan him out but I suppose it does balance things out a bit, we are now hopelessly short of cover for both FB’s StevO, markjazzbassist, Romey 1878 and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted August 31, 2021 Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 Crazy window this is turning out to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted August 31, 2021 Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 I do not like the idea of having next to no full back cover. Romey 1878 and markjazzbassist 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted August 31, 2021 Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 2 hours ago, Bailey said: I do not like the idea of having next to no full back cover. Knowing our club - Rafa probably said “we’re only short at RB and I need that fixed before the window shuts” Some dipshit ran off and loaned out Niels and came back and said “okay sorted Rafa, we’re short at left back now too” Bailey and Palfy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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