Romey 1878 Posted September 3, 2023 Author Report Share Posted September 3, 2023 6 minutes ago, c1982 said: Welcome to Everton J-Lingz… https://x.com/evertonnewsfeed/status/1698261094756716631?s=46&t=hH9MW86Z7OdDqsQukrKMvA People seem to think this fella is a bit shit as a reliable source. I have no idea myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patto Posted September 3, 2023 Report Share Posted September 3, 2023 So he s on his way we don't have a squad and still he s out better pray we don't get any injuries Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c1982 Posted September 3, 2023 Report Share Posted September 3, 2023 1 minute ago, Romey 1878 said: People seem to think this fella is a bit shit as a reliable source. I have no idea myself. Gray has just posted a dig (at Dyche?) on Instagram - thanking the fans but can’t play for someone who doesn’t respect him as a person. No way back from this I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patto Posted September 3, 2023 Report Share Posted September 3, 2023 Just now, c1982 said: Gray has just posted a dig (at Dyche?) on Instagram - thanking the fans but can’t play for someone who doesn’t respect him as a person. No way back from this I guess. Gray is well within his rights to criticise Dyche Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c1982 Posted September 3, 2023 Report Share Posted September 3, 2023 2 minutes ago, patto said: Gray is well within his rights to criticise Dyche Do you have some info on this or just hearsay? Please share. StevO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted September 3, 2023 Author Report Share Posted September 3, 2023 9 minutes ago, c1982 said: Gray has just posted a dig (at Dyche?) on Instagram - thanking the fans but can’t play for someone who doesn’t respect him as a person. No way back from this I guess. Oh lovely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formby Posted September 3, 2023 Report Share Posted September 3, 2023 12 minutes ago, patto said: Gray is well within his rights to criticise Dyche Maybe not publicly - unless he knows he's going and there's no way back. MikeO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoo 2.0 Posted September 3, 2023 Report Share Posted September 3, 2023 I thought it was a bad Photoshop, but Fabrizio Romano has tweeted it too. Seems that he's not best pleased with the boss, and I guess no way back for him. Saving grace is that Dyche will probably only get 3-4 weeks at this rate and be out the door himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted September 3, 2023 Report Share Posted September 3, 2023 1 hour ago, patto said: Other options I’m not sure about that we have played 4/5 games without a winger garner is playing out of position on the wing. he didn’t want to play branthwait but his hand was forced on that. we played a kid on the wing who is clearly not up to the prem levels. he’s discarded Myko the same as Gray. i know a lot of people don’t like Mykolenko but one thing he does is put a shift in. I don’t see Young as a big improvement. and Patterson is on dodgy ground also people looking to blame him for anything that goes wrong. he’s getting the blame for the mistakes Tarks is committing. we have to be patient with Patterson. He hasn’t discarded Myko - he played him for 90 minutes in the cup after he played 90 minutes against United coming back from an injury over the break. I agree that Patto needs time & doesn’t need people getting on his back. The lad clearly tried his heart out every game. No one wants Keane out of the team more than me, I’ve made myself clear that stance but I understand Dyche going for experience to start - he changed it after 2 games. If Grays attitude has been as bad as I have heard then it’s about time a manager had some balls and laid out the law. Matt, StevO, MikeO and 1 other 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patto Posted September 3, 2023 Report Share Posted September 3, 2023 5 minutes ago, Btay said: He hasn’t discarded Myko - he played him for 90 minutes in the cup after he played 90 minutes against United coming back from an injury over the break. I agree that Patto needs time & doesn’t need people getting on his back. The lad clearly tried his heart out every game. No one wants Keane out of the team more than me, I’ve made myself clear that stance but I understand Dyche going for experience to start - he changed it after 2 games. If Grays attitude has been as bad as I have heard then it’s about time a manager had some balls and laid out the law. As I’ve said before I’ve not heard any rumours about gray other than he’s been training with the 21s not injured whatsoever. We will not have a midfield when the AFCON comes around. the owner is risking our premier league status by selling who he can. to think we nearly bought Cedric Soares probably to take Pattersons place thank god we never. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Btay Posted September 3, 2023 Report Share Posted September 3, 2023 3 minutes ago, patto said: As I’ve said before I’ve not heard any rumours about gray other than he’s been training with the 21s not injured whatsoever. We will not have a midfield when the AFCON comes around. the owner is risking our premier league status by selling who he can. to think we nearly bought Cedric Soares probably to take Pattersons place thank god we never. I can’t be certain of any truth behind what I have heard however I just can’t see Dyche brandishing someone to the U21’s for personal reasons mate. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patto Posted September 3, 2023 Report Share Posted September 3, 2023 1 minute ago, Btay said: I can’t be certain of any truth behind what I have heard however I just can’t see Dyche brandishing someone to the U21’s for personal reasons mate. Poor man management that is why gray is leaving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryj Posted September 3, 2023 Report Share Posted September 3, 2023 He was never going to play for us again after he’s been frozen out since the summer. We are so light on numbers now though it’s seriously concerning. AFCON as well will diminish the numbers further in Jan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted September 3, 2023 Report Share Posted September 3, 2023 12 minutes ago, patto said: Poor man management that is why gray is leaving. Based on what I’ve seen gray does what he wants. Whether it’s ignoring better placed players to pass to… tracking a man of not. im not dyche number 1 fan but by all accounts gray was late for 2 relegation games. Btay, Matt and StevO 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted September 3, 2023 Report Share Posted September 3, 2023 Dyche will have given him a couple of warnings with clear repercussions and I'm presuming they've not been respected and he's in shock that we have a manager who actually has some discipline in him. Cornish Steve, StevO, Wall Writer and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patto Posted September 3, 2023 Report Share Posted September 3, 2023 12 minutes ago, barryj said: He was never going to play for us again after he’s been frozen out since the summer. We are so light on numbers now though it’s seriously concerning. AFCON as well will diminish the numbers further in Jan. maybe we can put 3 keepers on the bench. 14 minutes ago, barryj said: He was never going to play for us again after he’s been frozen out since the summer. We are so light on numbers now though it’s seriously concerning. AFCON as well will diminish the numbers further in Jan. they were all relegation games yesterday he said Gray would be integrated back into the squad today he’s getting sold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patto Posted September 3, 2023 Report Share Posted September 3, 2023 7 minutes ago, Hafnia said: Based on what I’ve seen gray does what he wants. Whether it’s ignoring better placed players to pass to… tracking a man of not. im not dyche number 1 fan but by all accounts gray was late for 2 relegation games. Put the reply in the wrong post haha they were all relegation games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Romey 1878 Posted September 3, 2023 Author Report Share Posted September 3, 2023 Other players have said what a good man manager Dyche is so something has obviously gone on. I suspect that it's not one-sided and both parties are at fault in some way. Btay, Matt, Sibdane and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patto Posted September 3, 2023 Report Share Posted September 3, 2023 34 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said: Other players have said what a good man manager Dyche is so something has obviously gone on. I suspect that it's not one-sided and both parties are at fault in some way. I agree with what you say but for the benefit of the club Gray should have played in the early games. Danjuma clearly wasn’t fit and unfortunately Dobbin is nowhere near premier level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted September 3, 2023 Report Share Posted September 3, 2023 1 hour ago, Hafnia said: Based on what I’ve seen gray does what he wants. Whether it’s ignoring better placed players to pass to… tracking a man of not. im not dyche number 1 fan but by all accounts gray was late for 2 relegation games. 58 minutes ago, Matt said: Dyche will have given him a couple of warnings with clear repercussions and I'm presuming they've not been respected and he's in shock that we have a manager who actually has some discipline in him. Thank. You Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted September 3, 2023 Report Share Posted September 3, 2023 1 hour ago, patto said: maybe we can put 3 keepers on the bench. they were all relegation games yesterday he said Gray would be integrated back into the squad today he’s getting sold. That’s before Gray has gone public with what ever grievances they have but not owning any faults he may have had in this situation. Matt and StevO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted September 3, 2023 Report Share Posted September 3, 2023 3 minutes ago, Btay said: That’s before Gray has gone public with what ever grievances they have but not owning any faults he may have had in this situation. Make you wonder how we got him so cheap with no competition and why there's not been a bunch of clubs trying to take him on. StevO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted September 3, 2023 Report Share Posted September 3, 2023 1 hour ago, patto said: Poor man management that is why gray is leaving. Gray is leaving because the manager and director of football don’t think he’s good enough. Why has every club got rid of him after a couple of years? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted September 3, 2023 Report Share Posted September 3, 2023 Iwobi played when he was fit, even though the club knew he wanted to leave. If Gray wasn’t being picked when we were so short, maybe he needs to look at Iwobi and wonder what the difference is between the two of them. Maybe Gray wasn’t fit, and I don’t meant he was inured, but pre season was very much about effort and commitment. Maybe he didn’t put the effort in that the rest of them did. Maybe he wasn’t as fit as the players who were playing, maybe he didn’t work as hard as them to get fit. Iwobi also left with everyone’s well wishes, didn’t cause any shit on the way out. Gray making Instagram posts before he’s even arrived in Saudi. Who does that help? Self indulgent. MikeO, Romey 1878 and Btay 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patto Posted September 3, 2023 Report Share Posted September 3, 2023 21 minutes ago, Matt said: Make you wonder how we got him so cheap with no competition and why there's not been a bunch of clubs trying to take him on. Crystal Palace/Fulham Saudi clubs ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted September 3, 2023 Author Report Share Posted September 3, 2023 48 minutes ago, patto said: I agree with what you say but for the benefit of the club Gray should have played in the early games. Not if he's done something that has compromised the values the manager wants from his team. Would he have been useful in these first few games? Completely. But the collective comes first and the message of it doesn't matter how good you are, if you don't pull in the teams direction then you won't play is paramount. Gray must've done something to annoy Dyche, it really is the only thing that makes sense. Maybe Dyche could have dealt with it better though. That's where I feel it's probably both of them at fault. More than likely not in equal terms but in these situations it is usually the case that both sides could have done things in a better way. StevO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boston Toffee Posted September 3, 2023 Report Share Posted September 3, 2023 I read somewhere (apologies for not grabbing the source)that Gray pulled the same they don't respect me stuff at Leicester and wanted out. Who knows who' to blame. I was hoping with our thin bench they could have reconciled and kept him active until at least January window. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted September 3, 2023 Report Share Posted September 3, 2023 Based on what I seen from him vs Fulham at the end of last season I would have volleyed him out the club there and then. A must win game and he sulked his way through it. clearly got a chip on his shoulder. im no massive dyche fan as I’ve said but we have had players in our club too long who think only of themselves Btay 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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