Hafnia Posted October 26, 2021 Report Share Posted October 26, 2021 11 hours ago, StevO said: That’s not what I said, I said I don’t believe it. Didn’t say don’t talk about it. Let it go? you focused on James, but not much on the others listed. Who needs to let it go? Come on Steve.... The narrative on this site over James has been denial big style. Debating that he wasn't on big money cos there was no official announcement. Then the reason he was going is cos he was outed by Rafa and nothing to do with his contribution Vs cost. The emotion was that on his day he's a match winner and a joy to watch - which I agree with,to this day he's the best passer of a ball I've seen in a blue shirt. Every time someone said something that was plausible about his massive wages it was met with ridicule. James Rodriguez was the tip of the iceberg when it comes to the problems at the club but he was the embodiment of high pay / low output / low commitment. Palfy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted October 26, 2021 Report Share Posted October 26, 2021 7 hours ago, Hafnia said: Come on Steve.... The narrative on this site over James has been denial big style. Debating that he wasn't on big money cos there was no official announcement. Then the reason he was going is cos he was outed by Rafa and nothing to do with his contribution Vs cost. The emotion was that on his day he's a match winner and a joy to watch - which I agree with,to this day he's the best passer of a ball I've seen in a blue shirt. Every time someone said something that was plausible about his massive wages it was met with ridicule. James Rodriguez was the tip of the iceberg when it comes to the problems at the club but he was the embodiment of high pay / low output / low commitment. Let it go Hafnia 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badaids Posted November 7, 2021 Report Share Posted November 7, 2021 If he plays today can one of you behind the goal bring in a fishing rod with a packet of prawn cocktail crisps as bait. Cast it out into the penalty area and reel it in when we are on the attack. You’ll never have seen him move so quickly. MikeO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted November 7, 2021 Report Share Posted November 7, 2021 He can't play today, it should be .... Townsend - Richie - Gordon with Gray just behind Richie. I hope so at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted November 9, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2021 https://www.liverpoolworld.uk/sport/football/everton/salomon-rondon-makes-frank-fitness-admission-after-subdued-start-to-his-everton-career-3450306 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted November 9, 2021 Report Share Posted November 9, 2021 Failed to score isn't the main concern. Failing to run or jump is. Palfy, Romey 1878, StevO and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted November 9, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2021 There is no getting around the fact that he has been woeful but I still think he can be a useful backup once he gets his fitness back, just amazed how overweight and off the pace he actually is/was c1982 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggytop Posted November 10, 2021 Report Share Posted November 10, 2021 13 hours ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said: There is no getting around the fact that he has been woeful but I still think he can be a useful backup once he gets his fitness back, just amazed how overweight and off the pace he actually is/was How flippin long does it take him, he should have been giving it everything to get fit as soon as he knew there was interest in him, Dom’s been out since Brighton at the end of August, that’s 10 weeks! Should been fit by now. FWIW I also thought he would be good back up, unfortunately the wait continues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted November 10, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2021 1 hour ago, Wiggytop said: How flippin long does it take him, he should have been giving it everything to get fit as soon as he knew there was interest in him, Dom’s been out since Brighton at the end of August, that’s 10 weeks! Should been fit by now. FWIW I also thought he would be good back up, unfortunately the wait continues. From what I understand the deal was all done pretty swiftly so he wouldn’t have had that much notice, to me he does look like he has lost a lot of weight and looks a lot leaner than when he first arrived so I do think he is putting the yards in at Finch Farm and he does have a reputation of being a good grafter He hadn’t played for months and had no preseason so it’s bound to take him a while granted you would think he would be nearer than he is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggytop Posted November 10, 2021 Report Share Posted November 10, 2021 7 hours ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said: From what I understand the deal was all done pretty swiftly so he wouldn’t have had that much notice, to me he does look like he has lost a lot of weight and looks a lot leaner than when he first arrived so I do think he is putting the yards in at Finch Farm and he does have a reputation of being a good grafter He hadn’t played for months and had no preseason so it’s bound to take him a while granted you would think he would be nearer than he is Agreed, but shouldn’t he have been keeping himself fit in preparation for a move, or was he ready to retire? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted November 16, 2021 Report Share Posted November 16, 2021 On 10/11/2021 at 19:18, Wiggytop said: Agreed, but shouldn’t he have been keeping himself fit in preparation for a move, or was he ready to retire? This for me. There is no slight on the fact that he has been playing in Russia and China for the money and IMO he clearly didn't look after himself in the same way that he would have done had he been playing the Premier League all that time. I get it, most players would be the same. It is natural. I doubt even Ronaldo would keep himself at his best if he went over there. That is why I was concerned about how good he was going to be when he signed without seeing how he was performing. Another point to consider is that if it was a late decision to bring him in then why? Personally, I don't believe that there was no contact between the two camps much earlier in the summer, but I know they have said otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted November 17, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 17, 2021 https://www.goodisonnews.com/2021/11/17/sivasspor-want-to-sign-everton-centre-forward-salomon-rondon/ Cornish Steve 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted November 17, 2021 Report Share Posted November 17, 2021 43 minutes ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said: https://www.goodisonnews.com/2021/11/17/sivasspor-want-to-sign-everton-centre-forward-salomon-rondon/ Please! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted November 17, 2021 Report Share Posted November 17, 2021 4 hours ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said: https://www.goodisonnews.com/2021/11/17/sivasspor-want-to-sign-everton-centre-forward-salomon-rondon/ Just a side note: The Blues are NOT in financial difficulty. We've been subject to FFP rules. Big difference. Sibdane, Zoo 2.0 and Matt 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggytop Posted November 17, 2021 Report Share Posted November 17, 2021 6 hours ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said: https://www.goodisonnews.com/2021/11/17/sivasspor-want-to-sign-everton-centre-forward-salomon-rondon/ Yes please indeed, but only if we bring in a better replacement, and of course it begs the question….. why? He’s done fook all here so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted November 17, 2021 Report Share Posted November 17, 2021 7 hours ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said: https://www.goodisonnews.com/2021/11/17/sivasspor-want-to-sign-everton-centre-forward-salomon-rondon/ No idea what we're paying him but it's bound to be more than a second rate Turkish team could afford, can't see it myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoo 2.0 Posted November 17, 2021 Report Share Posted November 17, 2021 16 minutes ago, MikeO said: No idea what we're paying him but it's bound to be more than a second rate Turkish team could afford, can't see it myself. Yeah this is my take too, as much as I would let him go I just can't see him getting the same wages elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted November 17, 2021 Report Share Posted November 17, 2021 29 minutes ago, Zoo 2.0 said: Yeah this is my take too, as much as I would let him go I just can't see him getting the same wages elsewhere. Which is better: Paying 100% of his wages and having him contribute less than nothing or paying 50% of his wages while he plays/sits on the bench for another club? Sometimes you just have accept you've made a mistake and cut your losses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted November 17, 2021 Report Share Posted November 17, 2021 12 minutes ago, Cornish Steve said: Which is better: Paying 100% of his wages and having him contribute less than nothing or paying 50% of his wages while he plays/sits on the bench for another club? Sometimes you just have accept you've made a mistake and cut your losses. But this is talking about a sale rather than a loan, I don't actually know if it's possible for a club to contribute to the wages of another club's player. Seems unlikely; I agree in principle though. Zoo 2.0 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted November 17, 2021 Report Share Posted November 17, 2021 8 minutes ago, MikeO said: But this is talking about a sale rather than a loan, I don't actually know if it's possible for a club to contribute to the wages of another club's player. Seems unlikely; I agree in principle though. I was assuming a loan, but you're right: I'm not sure what rules apply in that scenario. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haiku Posted November 17, 2021 Report Share Posted November 17, 2021 54 minutes ago, MikeO said: But this is talking about a sale rather than a loan, I don't actually know if it's possible for a club to contribute to the wages of another club's player. Seems unlikely; I agree in principle though. It is possible for a player to take a wage cut at his new club and the selling club may agree to cover the difference for the reminder of his old contract. StevO, Matt, Bailey and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted November 17, 2021 Report Share Posted November 17, 2021 18 minutes ago, Haiku said: It is possible for a player to take a wage cut at his new club and the selling club may agree to cover the difference for the reminder of his old contract. Fair enough, a quick google didn't throw up an immediate answer for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted November 19, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2021 https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/salomon-rondon-everton-transfer-exit-22206452 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted November 19, 2021 Report Share Posted November 19, 2021 46 minutes ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said: https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/salomon-rondon-everton-transfer-exit-22206452 I don't blame them, he's not even good enough for that level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badaids Posted November 19, 2021 Report Share Posted November 19, 2021 5 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said: I don't blame them, he's not even good enough for that level. What does the article say, the Echo site is so bad with pop ups and shite that I can’t read the actual article text. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted November 19, 2021 Report Share Posted November 19, 2021 1 minute ago, badaids said: What does the article say, the Echo site is so bad with pop ups and shite that I can’t read the actual article text. Change echo to gecko in the address bar and you'll be able to read it. badaids 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted November 19, 2021 Report Share Posted November 19, 2021 On 17/11/2021 at 17:42, MikeO said: But this is talking about a sale rather than a loan, I don't actually know if it's possible for a club to contribute to the wages of another club's player. Seems unlikely; I agree in principle though. I’m pretty sure Leeds are still paying Robbie Fowler’s wages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted November 28, 2021 Report Share Posted November 28, 2021 He had a couple of shots (progress!) and then just had my fucking blood boiling as Gray put a couple of brilliant balls right across the goal and where the fuck was he? Still in fucking China. StevO, Shukes, Wiggytop and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoo 2.0 Posted November 28, 2021 Report Share Posted November 28, 2021 On 28/08/2021 at 09:36, Zoo 2.0 said: If this is the standard we are going for, then I would have Rondon as a back up - there, I said it. Has the physique to cause defenders problems at the back end of a game (which is when he would be playing) and if starting could do the graveyard shift and bring others into play (i.e. - Richarlison, DCL and Iwobi/Townsend). I actually rated him at Newcastle and despite playing in poor leagues since leaving (China and Russia) has managed to keep up a decent scoring record. Wouldn't jizz my pants, but wouldn't kick the coffee table over either. Like I've said since the start of summer, I'm past caring about marquee signings and want players that will run themselves into the ground and go through brick walls, if Rondon will do that on the cheap and nick a few goals in the process then happy days. I mean this has aged fantastically well hasn't it. StevO and Sibdane 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted November 28, 2021 Report Share Posted November 28, 2021 3 minutes ago, Zoo 2.0 said: I mean this has aged fantastically well hasn't it. We've all been there. StevO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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