Gwlad Posted January 24, 2023 Report Share Posted January 24, 2023 53 minutes ago, Newty82 said: Hmmm. Just read that. Beggers can't be choosers. He did finish 8th with us. He would keep us up. BUT...what a fuckin horrible nightmare that would be. Maybe we just need to realise/accept our level Surely that would mean even Dyche didn't fancy it if Allardyce turns up Newty82 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Romey 1878 Posted January 24, 2023 Popular Post Report Share Posted January 24, 2023 If we go back to Allardyce it will just show the utter contempt the club has for it's own fanbase and I don't think I'll be able to attend until that fuck and the fucks in the boardroom are gone. Newty82, chicagoblue, Bailey and 3 others 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted January 24, 2023 Report Share Posted January 24, 2023 40 minutes ago, dunlopp9987 said: Exactly that. Holgate and Godfrey the only defenders with pace that we have. 35 minutes ago, RuffRob said: If that is true then I like Bielsa already - some due diligence and blunt honesty. I am not your man with this squad. It's like we've been living in the dark ages for the past decade in terms of recruitment. Everyone knows you need pace, athleticism, power in this league and yet if you look at our signings the majority are paceless, runty shits like McNeil, Sigurdsson, Mykolenko. I'm sure there are countless more but if I list them all I'll want to hang myself. Having slower, less physical players isn't a complete no no but when they are the majority of your team you're in big fucking trouble. chicagoblue and Wiggytop 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted January 24, 2023 Report Share Posted January 24, 2023 36 minutes ago, dunlopp9987 said: Why would you do this to me? Mate...I'm a hypocrite. I refuse to answer my own question Formby and dunlopp9987 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted January 24, 2023 Report Share Posted January 24, 2023 If we go with Bielsa it'll be an even more blood pressure inducing relegation. All or nothing football isn't what we need at the moment, we need stability. MikeO 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formby Posted January 24, 2023 Report Share Posted January 24, 2023 27 minutes ago, Gwlad all over said: Surely that would mean even Dyche didn't fancy it if Allardyce turns up Dyche turned us down????? FFS (and I don't swear). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fosse Captain Posted January 24, 2023 Report Share Posted January 24, 2023 16 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said: If we go back to Allardyce it will just show the utter contempt the club has for it's own fanbase and I don't think I'll be able to attend until that fuck and the fucks in the boardroom are gone. Bang on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formby Posted January 24, 2023 Report Share Posted January 24, 2023 13 minutes ago, Matt said: If we go with Bielsa it'll be an even more blood pressure inducing relegation. All or nothing football isn't what we need at the moment, we need stability. Don't worry, my friend. The ocean floor is beckoning. Plenty of stability at the bottom. Matt 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c1982 Posted January 24, 2023 Report Share Posted January 24, 2023 44 minutes ago, Hafnia said: i actually want him now….. Spot on Marcelo - us fans can see it - it’s so so obvious but hasn’t been addressed window after window. Pace and energy in this squad would transform it - I’m not talking a whole squad overhaul, just 3-4 players in key positions for now as something to build on - Danjuma will be a good start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggytop Posted January 24, 2023 Report Share Posted January 24, 2023 7 minutes ago, c1982 said: Spot on Marcelo - us fans can see it - it’s so so obvious but hasn’t been addressed window after window. Pace and energy in this squad would transform it - I’m not talking a whole squad overhaul, just 3-4 players in key positions for now as something to build on - Danjuma will be a good start. It’s primarily to defence that’s played mostly this season that is slow, Iwobi, DCL, Gray, Gordon, Godfrey and Holgate have pace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuffRob Posted January 24, 2023 Report Share Posted January 24, 2023 23 minutes ago, Matt said: If we go with Bielsa it'll be an even more blood pressure inducing relegation. All or nothing football isn't what we need at the moment, we need stability. million dollar question is now on earth do you get 'stability' in a club like this. Board/ownership a shambles, players not good enough quality, no manager, no money in premier league terms and currently favorites for relegation. To get from that to 'stability' is not going to happen in the short term with a new manager (who typically do well to last more than 12 months in the job). Bielsa nor not Bielsa - is not what will bring stability. In my mind we ARE going to get relegated this year, - there is just to much wrong with the club. Bielsa would be a rocket up the arse to this squad of players. And it will go one of two ways, maybe Frank was just to 'nice' with them all. Maybe more 'nice' is not what they need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted January 24, 2023 Report Share Posted January 24, 2023 It won’t be Allardyce, don’t worry. Even these clowns aren’t quite stupid enough for that, but he was critical of the club on the radio this morning. They don’t like being criticised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted January 24, 2023 Report Share Posted January 24, 2023 26 minutes ago, RuffRob said: million dollar question is now on earth do you get 'stability' in a club like this. Board/ownership a shambles, players not good enough quality, no manager, no money in premier league terms and currently favorites for relegation. To get from that to 'stability' is not going to happen in the short term with a new manager (who typically do well to last more than 12 months in the job). Bielsa nor not Bielsa - is not what will bring stability. In my mind we ARE going to get relegated this year, - there is just to much wrong with the club. Bielsa would be a rocket up the arse to this squad of players. And it will go one of two ways, maybe Frank was just to 'nice' with them all. Maybe more 'nice' is not what they need. Rocket up the arse yes, but Leeds were notorious for conceding. Our defence actually isn't that bad (11th in the stats?) Our issues are individual mistakes and lack of a goalscorer. That doesn't change with a high tempo approach, if anything it amplifies the individual mistakes. I agree nice isn't what we need. The only reason I am hoping for Dyche is that he will bring stability. He knows Tarkowski, he knows McNeil and I'm sure he knows some of the others. He's the more sensible, stable option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted January 24, 2023 Report Share Posted January 24, 2023 Just now, StevO said: It won’t be Allardyce, don’t worry. Even these clowns aren’t quite stupid enough for that, but he was critical of the club on the radio this morning. They don’t like being criticised. Yeah my guess is he’s been spoken to though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted January 24, 2023 Report Share Posted January 24, 2023 Just now, Hafnia said: Yeah my guess is he’s been spoken to though. I'll be livid if these rumours are true. He'd take the job out of spite, deliberately get us relegated as a revenge and look smug and carefree all the way to collecting his second massive payoff. Wiggytop and Hafnia 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plaidharper Posted January 24, 2023 Report Share Posted January 24, 2023 Bielsa has never come into a club in January. Additionally, he usually never signs more than a 1 year deal. Would we really back him in this current window to allow him to turn it around? To get the supposed 'pace' he is talking about? Maybe we are trying to get him on 18 months and use the spring as preseason in prep for next year in the championship? If we want to stay in the league, I think we need a firefighter over Bielsa. Personally, I do not think any manager or firefighter will keep us up. So maybe Bielsa is the way. 'Bad Times' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuffRob Posted January 24, 2023 Report Share Posted January 24, 2023 2 minutes ago, Matt said: Rocket up the arse yes, but Leeds were notorious for conceding. Our defence actually isn't that bad (11th in the stats?) Our issues are individual mistakes and lack of a goalscorer. That doesn't change with a high tempo approach, if anything it amplifies the individual mistakes. I agree nice isn't what we need. The only reason I am hoping for Dyche is that he will bring stability. He knows Tarkowski, he knows McNeil and I'm sure he knows some of the others. He's the more sensible, stable option. Is Dyche Stability or another change in a football we play and thus players we might bring in? - what sort of players will be go for? It sound like Bielsa wants young, fast, grafter types - Leeds fans loved the passionate football they played. That is my personal worry with Dyche, this is not his USP. He will be more in the vain of a Allardyce/Benitez. I think we are pretty much relegated as things stand (a week to go in transfer window and now no manager), and now we have one eye on somebody who builds a team in the championship that we would actually WANT. If some how we manage to stay up with a new manager bounce then great, but we can't just plan for the next four months. We did this last time with Lampard - he was supposed to be for the future and was not just an immediate relegation specialist. It didn't work out, but that still has to be the plan - building an Everton team that we actually want to sit down for 2hrs and watch (and hopefully bags a fair few wins). Fosse Captain 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwlad Posted January 24, 2023 Report Share Posted January 24, 2023 The board would have to eat massive amounts of humble pie to get Allardyce and we know they don't do humble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted January 24, 2023 Report Share Posted January 24, 2023 7 minutes ago, Gwlad all over said: The board would have to eat massive amounts of humble pie to get Allardyce and we know they don't do humble. Utter bollocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted January 24, 2023 Report Share Posted January 24, 2023 If we can get Biesla to come then I'd go for it. I hate to say I'm accepting we'll be in the Championship next year, but that's how we need to be thinking. Do we really think signing anyone in this window is going to save us? I sure don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted January 24, 2023 Report Share Posted January 24, 2023 2 hours ago, Hafnia said: i actually want him now….. He’s been reading my comments or here surely. Fooker is a fake! Just needs me! Seriously though, I’m starting to like the idea of this guy. Leeds fans still seem to love him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted January 24, 2023 Report Share Posted January 24, 2023 1 hour ago, RPG said: The first big decision the board have to make is this: Do we already accept that we are going down and appoint a manager to build for a promotion push in the Championship or do we still think we have a fighting chance and look for a manager who may put the fear of God up our players and get them performing? Without a doubt we fight for our lives. No way in this world am I accepting we are down, it’s just over half way through a season and we’re two wins away mid table. Emotions are making people accept we’re down, one win and we’ll all be hopeful again. Never lose faith brothers. Wiggytop and chicagoblue 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c1982 Posted January 24, 2023 Report Share Posted January 24, 2023 1 hour ago, StevO said: It won’t be Allardyce, don’t worry. Even these clowns aren’t quite stupid enough for that, I wouldn’t put it past them… Romey 1878 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted January 24, 2023 Report Share Posted January 24, 2023 If only! https://www.londonworld.com/sport/football/spurs/former-tottenham-manager-everton-job-despite-marcelo-bielsa-claim-3999274 dunlopp9987 and Matt 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted January 24, 2023 Report Share Posted January 24, 2023 Just now, duncanmckenzieismagic said: If only! https://www.londonworld.com/sport/football/spurs/former-tottenham-manager-everton-job-despite-marcelo-bielsa-claim-3999274 That's it, that my comment on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fosse Captain Posted January 24, 2023 Report Share Posted January 24, 2023 cos thats what we need right now...... journalists taking the piss ......... as if we could get him here Matt 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted January 24, 2023 Report Share Posted January 24, 2023 2 hours ago, RuffRob said: Is Dyche Stability or another change in a football we play and thus players we might bring in? - what sort of players will be go for? It sound like Bielsa wants young, fast, grafter types - Leeds fans loved the passionate football they played. That is my personal worry with Dyche, this is not his USP. He will be more in the vain of a Allardyce/Benitez. I think we are pretty much relegated as things stand (a week to go in transfer window and now no manager), and now we have one eye on somebody who builds a team in the championship that we would actually WANT. If some how we manage to stay up with a new manager bounce then great, but we can't just plan for the next four months. We did this last time with Lampard - he was supposed to be for the future and was not just an immediate relegation specialist. It didn't work out, but that still has to be the plan - building an Everton team that we actually want to sit down for 2hrs and watch (and hopefully bags a fair few wins). I think he would be stability for reasons I've previously stated and I've also explained why I think he fits our club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunlopp9987 Posted January 24, 2023 Report Share Posted January 24, 2023 Can't be bothered to scroll through to see if this has been mentioned already, but Hasenhuttl's name is being thrown out Fosse Captain, Gwlad and Matt 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted January 24, 2023 Report Share Posted January 24, 2023 Just now, dunlopp9987 said: Can't be bothered to scroll through to see if this has been mentioned already, but Hasenhuttl's name is being thrown out It would be very Everton to bring in a manager that was taking Southampton down to try and save us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fosse Captain Posted January 24, 2023 Report Share Posted January 24, 2023 15 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said: It would be very Everton to bring in a manager that was taking Southampton down to try and save us. and having lost 9-0 TWICE ........ just let that sink in folks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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