StevO Posted December 12, 2019 Report Share Posted December 12, 2019 Even if we win tomorrow I still see no reason to give it to Duncan. If we do win, we’ll probably get a result against Arsenal too. But going into January we can’t have a temporary manager in charge, the team needs to be strengthened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted December 12, 2019 Report Share Posted December 12, 2019 14 minutes ago, StevO said: Even if we win tomorrow I still see no reason to give it to Duncan. If we do win, we’ll probably get a result against Arsenal too. But going into January we can’t have a temporary manager in charge, the team needs to be strengthened. Brands can still strengthen the team especially if it’s true he already has a manager lined up, there would be nothing that could stop communication between them behind the scenes. DownUnderToff, pete0 and Newty82 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted December 13, 2019 Report Share Posted December 13, 2019 On 11/12/2019 at 18:43, StevO said: Does that say we are getting Ancelotti and Zlatan? Yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted December 13, 2019 Report Share Posted December 13, 2019 Hopefully Ancelotti and he brings Milik with him! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haiku Posted December 13, 2019 Report Share Posted December 13, 2019 The reason I'm against Ancelotti's appointment is first because he's a nomad. He changes clubs every two seasons and I'm fed up with managerial changes. I wish we find someone who's gonna be successful and will build a platform for future development here, and that's unlikely to be done in couple of seasons. Second, Carlo is a lucky bastard. Yeah, he won plenty, but he only manages teams that are at the top of their game. The only team that somewhat differs from that criteria is Napoli, who just fired him because of bad results. I fear Everton will prove difficult job for him right now. Bailey, nogs and MC11 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted December 13, 2019 Report Share Posted December 13, 2019 20 minutes ago, Haiku said: The reason I'm against Ancelotti's appointment is first because he's a nomad. He changes clubs every two seasons and I'm fed up with managerial changes. I wish we find someone who's gonna be successful and will build a platform for future development here, and that's unlikely to be done in couple of seasons. Second, Carlo is a lucky bastard. Yeah, he won plenty, but he only manages teams that are at the top of their game. The only team that somewhat differs from that criteria is Napoli, who just fired him because of bad results. I fear Everton will prove difficult job for him right now. If he’s lucky for 2 seasons, I’d take that as a good stepping stone in the right direction. only two other managers have won as many CL titles as he has. That’s not a bad manager to bring in. Peter H, StevO, pete0 and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haiku Posted December 13, 2019 Report Share Posted December 13, 2019 I genuinely don't think he's great tactician, nor great developer like Pochettino for example. Perhaps he's good motivator and knows how to play on his streghts. Yeah Zidane has won 3 CL titles, do you believe he's a top manager? I don't. Di Matteo has won it once, where is he now? In my opinion Ancelotti is a good driver, who given a fast car just goes and wins the race. Ultimately if given a bad car, he won't excel. Fortunately for him he never drove a bad car, just a sub-par one recently and he didn't deliver. But of course, this is just my opinion. Bailey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted December 13, 2019 Report Share Posted December 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, Haiku said: I genuinely don't think he's great tactician, nor great developer like Pochettino for example. Perhaps he's good motivator and knows how to play on his streghts. Yeah Zidane has won 3 CL titles, do you believe he's a top manager? I don't. Di Matteo has won it once, where is he now? In my opinion Ancelotti is a good driver, who given a fast car just goes and wins the race. Ultimately when given a bad car, he won't excel. Fortunately for him he never drove a bad car, just a sub-par one recently and he didn't deliver. But of course, this is just my opinion. I understand what you mean mate, but our car is much better than it seems and a competent driver could be just what we need. I also expect that if he comes, it’ll be with the promise of another big transfer budget and, with his name and success, we might actually attract the bigger players we need to upgrade to racing car level StevO and Newty82 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted December 13, 2019 Report Share Posted December 13, 2019 31 minutes ago, Haiku said: The reason I'm against Ancelotti's appointment is first because he's a nomad. He changes clubs every two seasons and I'm fed up with managerial changes. I wish we find someone who's gonna be successful and will build a platform for future development here, and that's unlikely to be done in couple of seasons. Second, Carlo is a lucky bastard. Yeah, he won plenty, but he only manages teams that are at the top of their game. The only team that somewhat differs from that criteria is Napoli, who just fired him because of bad results. I fear Everton will prove difficult job for him right now. 9 minutes ago, Matt said: If he’s lucky for 2 seasons, I’d take that as a good stepping stone in the right direction. only two other managers have won as many CL titles as he has. That’s not a bad manager to bring in. You have both made good points, but I’m inclined to agree that this maybe a step to far for him, because of the rebuilding involved he usually takes over teams that are nearly complete and gets them playing better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted December 13, 2019 Report Share Posted December 13, 2019 21 minutes ago, Matt said: I understand what you mean mate, but our car is much better than it seems and a competent driver could be just what we need. I also expect that if he comes, it’ll be with the promise of another big transfer budget and, with his name and success, we might actually attract the bigger players we need to upgrade to racing car level Personally I still think we are a bit of a clapped up banger with a couple of go faster stripes and a spoiler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted December 13, 2019 Report Share Posted December 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, Bailey said: Personally I still think we are a bit of a clapped up banger with a couple of go faster stripes and a spoiler. I can see that, but I’m hoping it’s a simple restoration job than a complete rebuild by amateur enthusiasts again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Blue Nose Posted December 13, 2019 Report Share Posted December 13, 2019 I cant understand all this philosophical jargon Matt All I know is that if we win at Old Trafford tomorrow. Big Dunc gets to keep the job until May !!! Yaroslav 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted December 13, 2019 Report Share Posted December 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, Aussie Blue Nose said: I cant understand all this philosophical jargon Matt All I know is that if we win at Old Trafford tomorrow. Big Dunc gets to keep the job until May !!! Analogies mate, basically I think CA could get a lot more out of this team which should be doing better than it has been. 2 wins doesn’t give him the job for me. It just buys the powers some more time to work out what they want / what’s best for the club. welcome by the way barryj, Newty82 and StevO 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plaidharper Posted December 13, 2019 Report Share Posted December 13, 2019 2 hours ago, Haiku said: I genuinely don't think he's great tactician, nor great developer like Pochettino for example. Perhaps he's good motivator and knows how to play on his streghts. Yeah Zidane has won 3 CL titles, do you believe he's a top manager? I don't. Di Matteo has won it once, where is he now? In my opinion Ancelotti is a good driver, who given a fast car just goes and wins the race. Ultimately if given a bad car, he won't excel. Fortunately for him he never drove a bad car, just a sub-par one recently and he didn't deliver. But of course, this is just my opinion. I also understand what you mean. So many articles claim Ancelotti has a "light touch" which is probably a reference to the Bayern players doing additional training on their own as they felt it wasn't enough under Carlo. So maybe it is more about the staff with Ancelotti? If it is just full of relatives (which has happened before) then maybe no? But if it is a competent staff that will push the players during training (Dunc? Someone new?) then maybe yes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted December 13, 2019 Report Share Posted December 13, 2019 Arteta has once again emerged as a favourite, I’m beginning to lose the plot with the amount of managers we are supposedly interested in. Gwlad 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted December 14, 2019 Report Share Posted December 14, 2019 It’s because morishi has worked miracles getting to the point of us getting a new ground and being astute in every department but the football side he’s listening to the wrong people London Blue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Blue Nose Posted December 14, 2019 Report Share Posted December 14, 2019 On 13/12/2019 at 02:35, MikeO said: I love this !!!! I can feel the hairs on the back of my neck rising It's all about passion for our beloved blues. I was born in Everton, spent a lot of time in the "Boys Pen" under the clock The Golden Vision was my hero, I want to see a Blue Nose in charge Come on Dunc , Give all you've got. Oh how I cherish days gone by....... MikeO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted December 14, 2019 Report Share Posted December 14, 2019 14 hours ago, Aussie Blue Nose said: I love this !!!! I can feel the hairs on the back of my neck rising It's all about passion for our beloved blues. I was born in Everton, spent a lot of time in the "Boys Pen" under the clock The Golden Vision was my hero, I want to see a Blue Nose in charge Come on Dunc , Give all you've got. Oh how I cherish days gone by....... But passion can carry you only so far. As a short-term shot in the arm, it’s great. For long-term success, though, it alone doesn’t get you very far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted December 14, 2019 Report Share Posted December 14, 2019 I agree we get a few bad results which is inevitable Dunc will be thrown under the bus as usual Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted December 14, 2019 Report Share Posted December 14, 2019 12 minutes ago, Finn balor said: I agree we get a few bad results which is inevitable Dunc will be thrown under the bus as usual Exactly. It was only 10 or so days ago that people wanted him gone with the rest of Silva’s staff! Newty82 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted December 14, 2019 Report Share Posted December 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, Bailey said: Exactly. It was only 10 or so days ago that people wanted him gone with the rest of Silva’s staff! Only a month ago those same people were happy for Silva to stay. Newty82 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted December 14, 2019 Report Share Posted December 14, 2019 I can understand people wanting Silva to carry on a couple of weeks or so ago, but I don’t understand why people wanted Ferguson out of the club some weeks ago. He’s always been a passionate Evertonian and wanted the best for the club, and the last 3 years have not been down to him, he never picked the team or tactics. duncanmckenzieismagic 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted December 14, 2019 Report Share Posted December 14, 2019 4 hours ago, Bailey said: Exactly. It was only 10 or so days ago that people wanted him gone with the rest of Silva’s staff! He’s won one game, give it a rest already. He’s not Jesus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted December 14, 2019 Report Share Posted December 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said: He’s won one game, give it a rest already. He’s not Jesus. No he’s not, he’s an Everton legend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted December 14, 2019 Report Share Posted December 14, 2019 He's not the Messiah, he's a very naughty boy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted December 14, 2019 Report Share Posted December 14, 2019 8 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said: He’s won one game, give it a rest already. He’s not Jesus. Ermmm... I didn't say that he was, nor have I said he should even stay on as manager! barryj 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Newty82 Posted December 14, 2019 Popular Post Report Share Posted December 14, 2019 4 hours ago, Bailey said: Exactly. It was only 10 or so days ago that people wanted him gone with the rest of Silva’s staff! 4 hours ago, pete0 said: Only a month ago those same people were happy for Silva to stay. Football fans are fickle. We're easily won over and easily lost too. Generally. I pondered Ferguson's role as a coach. I often think out loud on this forum, then sometimes coil back on myself when I read what I put. Also, there's a lot of emotion when we win or lose - different emotions, but still lots of emotion. But seeing how much it meant to him, if he was a Manager who had even just won a League Cup in the past 20 years, and that was his first match in charge here...the Evertonians would embrace him our right. So, it's one them...we'll just wait and see. MikeO, Aidan, pete0 and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted December 14, 2019 Report Share Posted December 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, MikeO said: He's not the Messiah, he's a very naughty boy. that made me laugh out loud, I had a vision in my head of my mum, that was something she would have said. Thanks for that mate gave me a great feeling. MikeO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted December 14, 2019 Report Share Posted December 14, 2019 At the end of the day. If we pull off a result tommorow or we don’t is that the answer? We are rudderless. Who’s leading us? Whats going on? Morishi needs to be making a statement about it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted December 15, 2019 Report Share Posted December 15, 2019 What concerns me is when Ferguson says that Everton need a 'proper manager'. I have no doubt if he was offered the job he would take it. But does he believe he could do a good job here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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