Guest rusty747 Posted May 11, 2017 Report Share Posted May 11, 2017 If I was Ronald, I wouldn't play Barkley again. He has been very average anyway. No matter what happens in the next two games we will finish seventh and it is an ideal time to blood some youngsters who want to play for Everton and maybe give Mo Besic a run out. On current form, Barkley won't be missed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted May 11, 2017 Report Share Posted May 11, 2017 http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39886112 Wow. (Just saw Mark posted the story a while back but "wow" all the same) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted May 11, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 11, 2017 http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39886112 Wow. That says the same stuff as the link I posted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted May 11, 2017 Report Share Posted May 11, 2017 That says the same stuff as the link I posted You missed my lightning quick edit . And anyway your link didn't contain the wisdom of Phil McNulty . Romey 1878 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted May 11, 2017 Report Share Posted May 11, 2017 I've been told the relationship between him and Koeman has completely broken down and that's why he wont sign. Whether or not that is true is anybodys guess but the noises coming from Koeman seem to suggest that's probably right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted May 11, 2017 Report Share Posted May 11, 2017 At this point I trust Koeman more than I trust Barkley. I really don't want to see Barkley go, but if he doesn't want to be here then we have to sell him. Same with Lukaku. Lowensda and Romey 1878 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted May 11, 2017 Report Share Posted May 11, 2017 I've been told the relationship between him and Koeman has completely broken down and that's why he wont sign. Whether or not that is true is anybodys guess but the noises coming from Koeman seem to suggest that's probably right. yep and i'm ready to throw in the towel and say you were right pad, sterling was the better of the 2. ross won't be the world beater we think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted May 11, 2017 Report Share Posted May 11, 2017 Reasons to like Koeman: "But if you need so much time then you have doubts - I like to work with players who like to stay." Sibdane, SimonButtle and markjazzbassist 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaron Posted May 11, 2017 Report Share Posted May 11, 2017 So realistically how much are we going to get for Ross? A English central midfielder with 1 year left... be lucky to get £20m I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted May 11, 2017 Report Share Posted May 11, 2017 http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39886112 Wow. (Just saw Mark posted the story a while back but "wow" all the same) The same as he said earlier in the season, nothings changed. Not really news. It's always been that he has until the end of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted May 11, 2017 Report Share Posted May 11, 2017 So realistically how much are we going to get for Ross? A English central midfielder with 1 year left... be lucky to get £20m I think. This is my main worry at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rusty747 Posted May 11, 2017 Report Share Posted May 11, 2017 It would probably buy us Pickford - though I would rather we got Butland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted May 11, 2017 Report Share Posted May 11, 2017 Thats the reason i said sell him last year, we wont get as much this year that's a certainty. If he turns round now and says he wants to sign, I'd cut the offer in half whatever it is. Big headed bastard. Same with Lukaku. Get shut of them both and move on, Koeman is more than able to bring decent players in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted May 11, 2017 Report Share Posted May 11, 2017 I've a feeling Koeman doesn't want him to stay. Pretty convinced he has someone in mind to take his place and he'd prefer it if he's gone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gethinO Posted May 11, 2017 Report Share Posted May 11, 2017 Totally with Koeman on this one. We've offered him a contract and it's up to him to sign him. No individual is bigger than the club. Sign it or be sold. Simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted May 11, 2017 Report Share Posted May 11, 2017 I'm really hoping he's actually just concentrating on his game and signing at the end of the season, like so many people say but never do Same. Doesn't seem to be making any noise, so may just be using the time he was clearly given to decide. Hopefully he isn't looking into comments too much. He seems a sensitive soul. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted May 11, 2017 Report Share Posted May 11, 2017 There is more to this than what We are seeing that's for sure.... Lukaku has a contract there and nothing is being said in terms of ultimatums. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted May 11, 2017 Report Share Posted May 11, 2017 I've a feeling Koeman doesn't want him to stay. Pretty convinced he has someone in mind to take his place and he'd prefer it if he's gone Probably a 30+ year-old Dutchman: Sneijder? Koeman's man-management skills absolutely stink. He should not be making stupid ultimatum statements in public. They will undermine whatever discussions are going on - and cause a lot of ill will that won't easily be forgotten. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted May 11, 2017 Report Share Posted May 11, 2017 I echo the thoughts that Koeman doesn't seem to want him. I think Koeman has been quite open and simple about Barkley since day 1. And I feel that Barkley maybe isn't delivering what Koeman wants him to deliver. He's maybe frustrated that he has 'it' but can't quite seem to get to the level to deliver 'it'. I'm still seeing the same negative things from Barkley that we've been seeing for the last 3 or 4 years. The progress hasn't been as much as we would like. To the point where I wouldn't be all that bothered if he left. I don't think he's at the level we are trying to get to. Romey 1878, Sibdane and Isaiah 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted May 11, 2017 Report Share Posted May 11, 2017 There is more to this than what We are seeing that's for sure.... Lukaku has a contract there and nothing is being said in terms of ultimatums. Ross only has 1 year left so the situation is more pressing. I think he is a great player and I would love him to sign and be part of the Everton future, but I believe we are doing the right thing. Sign or go. Romey 1878 and MikeO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted May 11, 2017 Report Share Posted May 11, 2017 There is more to this than what We are seeing that's for sure.... Lukaku has a contract there and nothing is being said in terms of ultimatums. Because Koeman has said several times that with Lukaku it is a different situation. 2 years left vs 2 year left. We all know that the final year is the one where decisions have to be made. However, I do think there is a sniff of hypocrisy when he says he only wants to work with players who want to be here...despite Lukaku's own stance! This makes me think he doesn't fancy Barkley much, possibly a lifestyle thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted May 11, 2017 Report Share Posted May 11, 2017 He's always looked full of potential, but he's no better now than when he was 18, he has become just another average player who thinks he's better than he really is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted May 11, 2017 Report Share Posted May 11, 2017 He's always looked full of potential, but he's no better now than when he was 18, he has become just another average player who thinks he's better than he really is. This is my worry. I don't that his game has moved on much at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted May 11, 2017 Report Share Posted May 11, 2017 Probably a 30+ year-old Dutchman: Sneijder? Koeman's man-management skills absolutely stink. He should not be making stupid ultimatum statements in public. They will undermine whatever discussions are going on - and cause a lot of ill will that won't easily be forgotten. Sorry Steve but you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted May 11, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 11, 2017 Probably a 30+ year-old Dutchman: Sneijder? Koeman's man-management skills absolutely stink. He should not be making stupid ultimatum statements in public. They will undermine whatever discussions are going on - and cause a lot of ill will that won't easily be forgotten. Williams, Lookman, Gana, Calvert-Lewin, Schneiderlin, Valencia are really Dutch like. And only one of them over 30... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EFC-Paul Posted May 11, 2017 Report Share Posted May 11, 2017 (edited) Totally with Koeman on this one. We've offered him a contract and it's up to him to sign him. No individual is bigger than the club. Sign it or be sold. Simple.This for me, fully agree with Koeman and his reasoning The lad hasn't really kicked or done a great deal to warrant holding out, the deal could be poor in his eyes but I doubt it is, I'd lean towards him over estimating his worth Edited May 11, 2017 by EFC-Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted May 11, 2017 Report Share Posted May 11, 2017 Williams, Lookman, Gana, Calvert-Lewin, Schneiderlin, Valencia are really Dutch like. And only one of them over 30... My comment about a Dutchman was tongue-in-cheek, although there were plenty of reports linking us with Wesley Sneijder last summer. As for man management, I've had the privilege of working for some great managers through the years - and some poor ones. The evidence I see (which admittedly is only what we see and hear in the public domain) is that man-management is not one of Koeman's skills. He was a brilliant footballer, for sure, so his strengths lie in that area. We can't expect everyone to be strong in all areas; we all have our weaknesses. This is one of his. Really, I can't see someone like Ross Barkley responding well to Koeman's Trumpesque approach (minus the tweets). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted May 11, 2017 Report Share Posted May 11, 2017 Sorry Steve but you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Won't be the first time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted May 11, 2017 Report Share Posted May 11, 2017 Really, I can't see someone like Ross Barkley responding well to Koeman's Trumpesque approach (minus the tweets). Surely, you're kidding? Koeman may be blunt, but he's not delusional nor offensive -- he's just honest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted May 11, 2017 Report Share Posted May 11, 2017 Surely, you're kidding? Koeman may be blunt, but he's not delusional nor offensive -- he's just honest. Hyperbolic, for sure, (Koeman is neither delusional nor offensive), but the point I'm making is that Koeman is conducting business through one-liners in the public domain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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