MC11 Posted November 8, 2016 Report Share Posted November 8, 2016 (edited) You're not correct there. Mirallas played 1003 minutes last season and made 2 assists which makes 0.179 assists per 90mins of football - this made him our fifth highest assist per minute contributor last season behind:1. Deulofeu (1,385 mins and 8 assists = 0.520 per 90min), 2. Kone (1,458 mins and 4 assists = 0.247 per 90min),3. Barkley (3,086 mins and 8 assists = 0.233 per 90min) and 4. Cleverley (1,613 mins and 4 assists = 0.223 per 90min) This is assuming a qualification of at least 2 assists and 300 mins of football - Darron Gibson made 1 assist in 239 mins = 0.377 assists per 90 min which is obviously a biased figure, especially since my Darron Gibson is a worse footballer than my grandmother. More to the point, Mirallas was a pretty average player in a pretty average team last season. If you look at the image below and compare his output for the seven attacking statistical categories (goals, assists, shots, shots on target, woodworks, offsides, goals per shots, shots on tagret per shots), he's decreased for every stat (ignore offsides). Most other players in our squad have improved their statistics simply because we're playing better (i.e. retaining possession more) and winning more games this season than last. IMO, he's been given a fair chance at the club for the past two and a half seasons and hasn't found any form that consistently resembles him when he first arrived. I'd sell him for £6-8m in Jan, bump up Deulofeu or Lennon to starting RW and bring in Arber Zeneli or Sam Larsson from SC Heerenveen, both of whom might not be as good as Kevin Mirallas currently, but are young enough that they can exceed his potential. you went through all that when it was explained so much simpler by everyone else. Well done for basing your findings on a season when he was pretty much abused the manager. Well done. The point I was trying to make is that over a three year period he is still out most creative and clinical midfielder. Even without playing much last season. Anyone trying to rate Mirallas on last season is nuts. The guy didn't get a sniff. Edited November 8, 2016 by MC11 Sideliner 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brisbaneblue Posted November 8, 2016 Report Share Posted November 8, 2016 you went through all that when it was explained so much simpler by everyone else. Well done for basing your findings on a season when he was pretty much abused the manager. Well done. The point I was trying to make is that over a three year period he is still out most creative and clinical midfielder. Even without playing much last season. Anyone trying to rate Mirallas on last season is nuts. The guy didn't get a sniff. I was trying to give you a more detailed breakdown of why he's shite than "he hasn't scored that many goals or made many assists". We're looking at per 90 mins stats here, you can't make an argument that his stats are low because he didn't play as many games as others last season - if anything his stats should be higher because when he came off the bench he was playing against defenders who had already been on the pitch for 65+ mins. If you want a oversimplified fact on why Kevin Mirallas is not our most creative and clinical midfielder, then here - "Yannick Bolasie made the same amount of assists in his first 9 games (665 mins) for Everton this season than Kevin Mirallas' has in his last 65 games (3,275 minutes)"... Even ignoring the past, the much more important conversation here is that Mirallas' output has been poor so far this season, and he's been given almost every chance possible.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted November 8, 2016 Report Share Posted November 8, 2016 There's a player in there it's a simple as that. We should be looking at getting these players on form whilst the windows closed rather than bashing them. A long with Barkley Mirallas has all the talent in the world it's getting the best out of them that's the issue. Mirallas hasn't been the same player since the penalty incident. His head well & truly fell off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted November 8, 2016 Report Share Posted November 8, 2016 I don't think we'll ever see him at that level again to be honest. Romey 1878 and MikeO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 I don't think we'll ever see him at that level again to be honest. Agreed, he needs a fresh start and we need to replace him. Sad but true, he never really hit the highs his talent promised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 He had chances last season but fucked up time and time again. He has fire in him and can be almost unplayable but I don't think he is anything special. Bolasie and Geri are better for all that they are inconsistent too. If I was in charge Geri would be starting as he can be unplayable. He flits between unplayable and conference level but he needs more and more games to get that consistency. If he is having a shocker, then hook him for Mirallas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted November 20, 2016 Report Share Posted November 20, 2016 There's a player in there it's a simple as that. We should be looking at getting these players on form whilst the windows closed rather than bashing them. A long with Barkley Mirallas has all the talent in the world it's getting the best out of them that's the issue. Mirallas hasn't been the same player since the penalty incident. His head well & truly fell off. His own fault. You shouldn't ever demand to take a penalty when they're down the pecking order against someone with a 95-100% conversation rate, let alone take a penalty and miss. His intention was to take it in respect of a dead friend which is a nice gesture, but in the kindest way possible Mirallas' deceased friend has no corrolation to evertons football results. I don't ever think I've perceived Mirallas as a team player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted November 20, 2016 Report Share Posted November 20, 2016 What's happened to him? Dropped off radar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted November 20, 2016 Report Share Posted November 20, 2016 He has most definitely lost his way, better for him and us if he moved on and tried to resurrect his career elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted November 20, 2016 Report Share Posted November 20, 2016 We won't see the best of him again. I'd love to, but I just can't see it. MikeO and Romey 1878 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sideliner Posted November 20, 2016 Report Share Posted November 20, 2016 He needs to get more minutes on left wing with a proper nr 10 playmaker playing in the midfield - not a wannabe striker like Barkley. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted November 20, 2016 Report Share Posted November 20, 2016 He needs to get more minutes on left wing with a proper nr 10 playmaker playing in the midfield - not a wannabe striker like Barkley.If you play Mirallas on the left you need a LB who can defend behind him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brisbaneblue Posted December 14, 2016 Report Share Posted December 14, 2016 Almost cost our team a penalty at the death tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brisbaneblue Posted December 14, 2016 Report Share Posted December 14, 2016 He has been ineffective since the early part of the season. Image below shows his average rating (out of 10) for each match using player ratings posted by the Liverpool Echo, Sky Sports, Toffee TV and numerous other sources. Need to sell him before he turns 30 next October. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted December 14, 2016 Report Share Posted December 14, 2016 Almost cost our team a penalty at the death tonight. got the ball. Needed to tackle - lucky he nudged it though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted December 14, 2016 Report Share Posted December 14, 2016 (edited) got the ball. Needed to tackle - lucky he nudged it though. Agreed, otherwise Sanchez had a shot inside the area on his right foot with everyone in front of him scrambling into position. Dunno what the hell that clearance was just beforehand though. Edited December 14, 2016 by Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted December 14, 2016 Report Share Posted December 14, 2016 can see him being sold this winter or summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brisbaneblue Posted December 15, 2016 Report Share Posted December 15, 2016 got the ball. Needed to tackle - lucky he nudged it though. Didn't think it was a pen but I reckon it could have been easily given - even the commentators were split. Luckily the ref's view was obstructed by Cech running back. Thought Mirallas should have just cleared it right away and/or looked over his shoulder before his first touch. Calvert-Lewin made an absolute meal of the first clearance as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted December 15, 2016 Report Share Posted December 15, 2016 can see him being sold this winter or summer. If someone buys him and plays him as a striker we will be wondering why we never did! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted December 19, 2016 Report Share Posted December 19, 2016 If someone buys him and plays him as a striker we will be wondering why we never did! No, we will be glad we never did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted December 19, 2016 Report Share Posted December 19, 2016 No, we will be glad we never did. Cock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shy_Talk Posted December 20, 2016 Report Share Posted December 20, 2016 Odd call last night, because apparently Koeman isn't one to trust in youth, but throws 19 year old Calvert-Lewin into the mix at the tail end of a derby no less, yet Belgian international and serial derby offender Kevin Mirallas kicked his own heels sat on the bench when he could have been planting Lovren on the pitch instead to insight some shenanigans. Gamesmanship ladies and gentlemen, the kloppites rolled around and cried and harassed the ref all night long, and eventually started calling the game whereas we didn't get into manipulation and mithering, another late challenge on one of theirs might have been enough to stir the pot, as it stands we've got internationals doing nothing on a regular basis and apparently it's going to take 4 transfer windows to shape the squad..... Maybe its all 20 20 hindsight, and had the post not fell for them then we'd be ok with a point today but really I'd have liked Mirallas on to snide one of them late on. Give them something proper to cry about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted December 20, 2016 Report Share Posted December 20, 2016 Mirallas has been poor, but the decision to bring DCL on instead of him was a bad one I thought. We needed someone with some experience in that situation. Romey 1878 and MikeO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted January 2, 2017 Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 A very committed performance from him. If he can show that more often then there's no way Lennon should be ahead of him. Lennon was shite today and didn't look arsed incidentally. MikeO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted January 2, 2017 Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 A very committed performance from him. If he can show that more often then there's no way Lennon should be ahead of him. Lennon was shite today and didn't look arsed incidentally. Lennon had one of his headless chicken days. Lots of running with no real purpose. Kev was a bit hit and miss for me, but he did put a shift in so credit to him for that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted January 2, 2017 Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 He's been the most consistant winger last few games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted January 2, 2017 Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 Lennon had one of his headless chicken days. Lots of running with no real purpose. Kev was a bit hit and miss for me, but he did put a shift in so credit to him for that Headless chicken is giving him too much credit. He was lacklustre and, like I said, didn't look arsed in the slightest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted January 2, 2017 Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 Don't agree. Consistent would b bang average. But today I thought he was always trying to get a shot in. Didn't score but he must have had three shots that were deflected for corners. Looked very dangerous today and looked like he cared a bit more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted January 2, 2017 Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 Thought Lennon wasn't that bad...as a right back. Didn't offer much going forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted January 2, 2017 Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 Offers little to nothing in attack anymore. Dithers around the box rarely if ever penetrates. Off the ball he rarely makes a run to pull the defenders, He's the worst now that I've ever seen him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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