MikeO Posted July 27, 2017 Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 Fear the "Ron" :major overreaction alert: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted July 27, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 ha, seems i've found your tick. i'll ease off for now, but if you start acting up again it will make a re-appearance Not really, if it makes you feel better call him Ron- just feels a bit cringy to me like you know him personally. However, who am I to tell you what to do so carry on mate. Quinn31 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted July 27, 2017 Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 Calm down "Pad" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted July 27, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 Calm down "Pad" Will do Ste Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 you don't use nicknames in england? Hey, don't pick on my mate Paddy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted August 6, 2017 Report Share Posted August 6, 2017 Just been doing some more background reading on Koeman to get a better idea of what he has tried to achieve at other clubs and then what changed at Southampton while he was there before considering how his Soton teams compare to where we are now. His main formation of choice was 4231 (same as we play), defensively solid (as we are) but in his 2 years there they went from not scoring a goal on the counter, tor scoring the most counters in the league the next season. I think we play more like his first season, possession and pressure, with movement and link up play creating chances rather than counter attacks and direct running. Thats why we seem to have a lot of central players as the wide men are meant to get close to the striker, but if the striker doesn't hold onto the ball we end up getting pinned back like we did today. His Soton side weren't bleseed with pace either. It was mainly one side, with Mane or Long and then creativity on the other ( Tadic/Elia and on occasions Davis). The midfield used to switch between a 1-2 and a 2-1. If we want 2 deep we have Gana and Schneiderlin with Klaasen, if we want 1 deep (which we saw today) we have Davies and Klaasen ahead of Schneiderlin. The defense more or less picks itself, with the question mark over the right back slot. Defensively both sides are almost identical. The difference in attack. As it stands we don't have a proven target man, we don't have a pacey wide man and given our pursuit for Siggy I can only expect that he will be the 'Tadic'. The 'Mane' was bound to be Bolasie and I guess Sandro was expected to be short term solution although I'm not convinced that's his game. Lookman could also be this player but he hasnt really been used recently.I don't know where this leaves Rooney (or Barkley). I don't know why you would buy two strikers and have a young lad coming through and then say that you want another? It just seems all a bit confused and I expect that keeping them all happy could lead to shoehorning most of them into the same side. Koeman hasn't exactly had a stellar management career, it's been very up and down. He has won some trophies, he has ruffled a few feathers (Niasse isn't the only one to be shut out), he likes to use the media to get what he wants (like today!) But the most positive thing for us is that the longer he is with a club, generally the better he does. Sibdane 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted August 19, 2017 Report Share Posted August 19, 2017 http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/842695/Everton-transfer-news-Ronald-Koeman-Ross-Barkley-Tottenham-gossip-Henry-Winter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 Changed a system that was working 1-0 up in the 60th minute. Unnecessary from him and I can't help but feel we had a better chance of winning with the formation we had out. His tactics helped us towards 3 points but his changes may well have cost us 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c1982 Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 Changed a system that was working 1-0 up in the 60th minute. Unnecessary from him and I can't help but feel we had a better chance of winning with the formation we had out. His tactics helped us towards 3 points but his changes may well have cost us 2. Don't agree in the slightest. He went 4 at the back as City went 1 up top and had more runners from deep - we needed more in midfield. Holgate's mistake sadly turned 3 into 1 in a game where we looked comfortable albeit very backs to wall! Romey 1878 and MikeO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 Changed a system that was working 1-0 up in the 60th minute. Unnecessary from him and I can't help but feel we had a better chance of winning with the formation we had out. His tactics helped us towards 3 points but his changes may well have cost us 2. Still waiting for your PM should you wish to carry on with the shit you decided to aim at me in the match in your typical "throw a boot in from the back" style. Quite the man aren't you? Onto your point.... no it didn't work. We were getting nailed from the very first minute and 3 one on ones before we scored a goal against the run of play didn't alter the fact that we set up to contain. Koeman is repeatedly setting us up wrong and he needs to sort it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 Don't agree in the slightest. He went 4 at the back as City went 1 up top and had more runners from deep - we needed more in midfield. Holgate's mistake sadly turned 3 into 1 in a game where we looked comfortable albeit very backs to wall! Agree to disagree mate! City didn't look like they had a chance in hell at scoring a goal before the change. Should have kept the 5 and countered. A double change at 1-0 in the 60th minute when things are going your way for me is a big no-no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 Agree to disagree mate! City didn't look like they had a chance in hell at scoring a goal before the change. Should have kept the 5 and countered. A double change at 1-0 in the 60th minute when things are going your way for me is a big no-no. But with Sterling on and playing in the middle the Holgate and Baines were left isolated and our midfield was being over run. Putting creative midfielders on gave us more options and should have given us more of the ball. City were so good tho that we were still hemmed in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 Still waiting for your PM should you wish to carry on with the shit you decided to aim at me in the match in your typical "throw a boot in from the back" style. Quite the man aren't you? Onto your point.... no it didn't work. We were getting nailed from the very first minute and 3 one on ones before we scored a goal against the run of play didn't alter the fact that we set up to contain. Koeman is repeatedly setting us up wrong and he needs to sort it out. If he hasn't PM'd you then maybe he doesn't want to carry on? I'm not sure what PMing does anyway? Nobody sounds like a real man when these tit for tats go off. PM or no PM. Just cool it down gents. When it goes on constantly, it ruins this little place. As for Koeman, got my own views for this thread. Just waiting for the transfer window to close. chicagoblue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 If he hasn't PM'd you then maybe he doesn't want to carry on? I'm not sure what PMing does anyway? Nobody sounds like a real man when these tit for tats go off. PM or no PM. Just cool it down gents. When it goes on constantly, it ruins this little place. As for Koeman, got my own views for this thread. Just waiting for the transfer window to close. No... he's got form for this. Debate the game - fine. People start trying to troll/wum me about koeman hating or lukaku when I'm watching us play then I will get pissed off and I will stand up for myself. Aiden likes to chirp in when he thinks the odds are stacked against me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 When you set up with what was effectively five at the back and two defensive midfielders, you are going out to defend and frustrate them, with the hope you can nick a goal and ride your luck which we did most of the night. He's the manager and that's the call he made, obviously he didn't fancy our chances going head to head with them in a more open match, and will feel his tactics worked having taken a point away from home against the team favourites to win the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 No... he's got form for this. Debate the game - fine. People start trying to troll/wum me about koeman hating or lukaku when I'm watching us play then I will get pissed off and I will stand up for myself. Aiden likes to chirp in when he thinks the odds are stacked against me. Your mother should have swallowed you bully. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 No idea wtf has gone on but come on, we're a pretty decent community here. Let's keep it that way. MikeO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 No... he's got form for this. Debate the game - fine. People start trying to troll/wum me about koeman hating or lukaku when I'm watching us play then I will get pissed off and I will stand up for myself. Aiden likes to chirp in when he thinks the odds are stacked against me. Yeah I know you'll defend yourself...but then you don't look too clever when you open up in a totally different thread how you did before. The sort of 'PM if you think your man enough' type approach...you've got to be better than that Haf, surely? Pah. I don't know. Bed time for me I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 I was surprised to see him change it like that. I understand Davies/Klaasen like for like but I thought he could have done the same with Siggy and Rooney as the latter was poor. I didn't even disagree with the starting line up but they didn't play like a team that knew the system. Too many gaps, too many potential chances. Going to a 4 at the back didn't really work either, same problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 I think we lacked anyone to take control in midfield, we were crying out for someone to put their foot on the ball and keep possession. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 The strategy from the post match "We go to City it is always tough the way they play but I think the gameplan was perfect," he told a news conference. "We had a good defensive organisation. We left Otamendi on the ball. We had good man-marking against De Bruyne and Silva." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 Yeah I know you'll defend yourself...but then you don't look too clever when you open up in a totally different thread how you did before. The sort of 'PM if you think your man enough' type approach...you've got to be better than that Haf, surely? Pah. I don't know. Bed time for me I think. No. The point was quit all the shit in the match thread trying to look all brave. Say what you wanna say to me in PM. As I said... he's done it before and I'm not having it. Look at how it panned you will see what I mean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 Still don't understand the subs. Why bring Sigurdssen on at 60 minutes for a defender? Put Lookman or Mirallas on for some pace to make them worry about a counter attack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 Lookman or mirallas was a good shout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavisJD Posted August 22, 2017 Report Share Posted August 22, 2017 Still don't understand the subs. Why bring Sigurdssen on at 60 minutes for a defender? Put Lookman or Mirallas on for some pace to make them worry about a counter attack. My take on it was Koeman was trying to get the team to hold possession for longer periods rather than pure counter attacking football. It didn't quiet work, City shut our players down quickly and we couldn't move up the pitch and find space to move the ball continually. Credit to City, they stopped Everton playing football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c1982 Posted August 22, 2017 Report Share Posted August 22, 2017 My take on it was Koeman was trying to get the team to hold possession for longer periods rather than pure counter attacking football. It didn't quiet work, City shut our players down quickly and we couldn't move up the pitch and find space to move the ball continually. Credit to City, they stopped Everton playing football. I'm glad someone has acknowledged that actually City have an embarrassment of riches in midfield and attack - the trio of de Bruyne, Silva and Fernandinho in the centre is as good as any in world football (Modric, Kroos and Casemiro being the best!) They've got everything - then players like Aguero, Jesus, Sane, B Silva, Sterling to supply. Yes, their defence is the part you can dominate, but that team on the counter, at home, in the warmer months - are absolutely devestating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EFC-Paul Posted August 22, 2017 Report Share Posted August 22, 2017 I'm glad someone has acknowledged that actually City have an embarrassment of riches in midfield and attack - the trio of de Bruyne, Silva and Fernandinho in the centre is as good as any in world football (Modric, Kroos and Casemiro being the best!) They've got everything - then players like Aguero, Jesus, Sane, B Silva, Sterling to supply. Yes, their defence is the part you can dominate, but that team on the counter, at home, in the warmer months - are absolutely devestating. This is what I was getting at in the match day thread Another system could have seen us spanked, this is a City side a mile off what they were last season We probably would have held out if not for a soft header from a lad who overall had a brilliant game, these things happen Not many will go to City and hold onto a clean sheet for so long Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted August 22, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2017 I've deliberately kept out of all these threads because I knew some would be lining up to volley Koeman over this. Endbof the day they are a much much MUCH better side than us- Koeman got his tactics right- we nicked a goal and defended excellently. If you go toe to toe with City with the players they have (even with 10 men) you're getting twatted. It was a stupid header from Holgate, to just nod it up in the air into your own box like that is schoolboy stuff and if he doesn't do that we win 1-0 and things are totally different. Such a shame because he was excellent all game as well, he should have flicked it out for a corner but he's young and will learn from it all. 4 points from the first 2 games is more than most where expecting- point against Chelsea and if we beat Spurs we'll be flying from a set of extremely difficult matches. MikeO, Isaiah and aaron 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted August 22, 2017 Report Share Posted August 22, 2017 I've deliberately kept out of all these threads because I knew some would be lining up to volley Koeman over this. Endbof the day they are a much much MUCH better side than us- Koeman got his tactics right- we nicked a goal and defended excellently. If you go toe to toe with City with the players they have (even with 10 men) you're getting twatted. It was a stupid header from Holgate, to just nod it up in the air into your own box like that is schoolboy stuff and if he doesn't do that we win 1-0 and things are totally different. Such a shame because he was excellent all game as well, he should have flicked it out for a corner but he's young and will learn from it all. 4 points from the first 2 games is more than most where expecting- point against Chelsea and if we beat Spurs we'll be flying from a set of extremely difficult matches. Spot on Pad that's what a some of us have been saying all along, only to be told we no nothing about football for holding them views, which is ridiculous, it's got to stage with this forum that if you don't have the same opinion of some of the big mouth I'm always right twats you have to run a stream of personal abuse in the name of debating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaron Posted August 22, 2017 Report Share Posted August 22, 2017 I've deliberately kept out of all these threads because I knew some would be lining up to volley Koeman over this. Endbof the day they are a much much MUCH better side than us- Koeman got his tactics right- we nicked a goal and defended excellently. If you go toe to toe with City with the players they have (even with 10 men) you're getting twatted. It was a stupid header from Holgate, to just nod it up in the air into your own box like that is schoolboy stuff and if he doesn't do that we win 1-0 and things are totally different. Such a shame because he was excellent all game as well, he should have flicked it out for a corner but he's young and will learn from it all. 4 points from the first 2 games is more than most where expecting- point against Chelsea and if we beat Spurs we'll be flying from a set of extremely difficult matches. THIS. It took a mistake from a young lad for them to score. Koeman had his tactics spot on last night, City have one of the best squads in the world, easily in the top 10, yet people want us to go gung ho against them. Defensive and counter when we can was the best tactic, watch other teams do the same, not many will take points from City at home this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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