pete0 Posted November 17, 2017 Report Share Posted November 17, 2017 3 hours ago, Paddock said: They never- he did by all accounts. He insisted on it being in there or he wouldn’t sign, they had no choice. I wonder how much are they willing to buy him back for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted November 17, 2017 Report Share Posted November 17, 2017 On a positive side he looks to be smiling and laughing in Unsworths training sessions, so I don’t think there is any fallout, he just needs more time. Sibdane 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted November 18, 2017 Report Share Posted November 18, 2017 Thought it was a don’t cameo from him today ,I’m still hopeful he will come goog once he has settled down Paddock 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted November 18, 2017 Report Share Posted November 18, 2017 5 minutes ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said: Thought it was a don’t cameo from him today ,I’m still hopeful he will come goog once he has settled down Yep he looked lively- I’m pinning my hopes he’ll provide some much needed goals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted November 18, 2017 Report Share Posted November 18, 2017 Yep he looked lively- I’m pinning my hopes he’ll provide some much needed goals.Ha ha looking at that quote it’s apparent I’ve been on the ale too early but at least you got my drift Bailey and Romey 1878 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted November 18, 2017 Report Share Posted November 18, 2017 Yeh agreed. Much better from him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted November 19, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2017 Nice to finally see him again, let’s hope he gets more time in the coming weeks. Threw a couple nice crosses into the box that made me think he and niasse could be a nice pairing together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted November 19, 2017 Report Share Posted November 19, 2017 I've got everything crossed that he comes good because we need to get more good performances on the pitch from players, more players contributing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted December 18, 2017 Report Share Posted December 18, 2017 http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/everton-striker-sandro-ramirez-offered-14049320 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted December 18, 2017 Report Share Posted December 18, 2017 I don’t want him to leave- we should keep him at least another year. Quinn31 and MikeO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted December 18, 2017 Report Share Posted December 18, 2017 Silly to get rid before he's had a chance to adapt. Ive seen enough to suggest he has the ability to do well. I guess it all depends on his happiness settling in to the culture etc but let' try and integrate him properly. MikeO and EFC-Paul 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quinn31 Posted December 18, 2017 Report Share Posted December 18, 2017 If he's ready to give up on his go here after 6 months, he will never be the player he's rated to be. He needs to give it 12 more months. Shukes, Matt and MikeO 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted December 18, 2017 Report Share Posted December 18, 2017 He might not have settled from a personal life perspective. If a young player comes and is struggling to settle into his new home, there's only so much you can do to help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted December 18, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2017 simple if he doesn't want to be here sell him on, if he's willing to give it a go keep him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted December 18, 2017 Report Share Posted December 18, 2017 Loan him to Nottingham Forest, it's doing Dowelled a world of good. Aidan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted December 23, 2017 Report Share Posted December 23, 2017 I'm not sure settling in is going to help him. Looks to be a poor purchase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted December 23, 2017 Report Share Posted December 23, 2017 Hard to find any positives or defence of him today. Utterly useless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quinn31 Posted December 23, 2017 Report Share Posted December 23, 2017 4 minutes ago, Aidan Lewis said: I'm not sure settling in is going to help him. Looks to be a poor purchase. I thought he did well today in doing the dirty work... the stuff he has to do to adapt to the English game as opposed to Spain where he can only score goals and do fine. He made efforts and often succeeded in winning aerial battles, providing an outlet for DCL, and holding the ball up. He didn't do much when he did get an attacking position but none of us did today. It was DCL versus the Chelsea defense in the first half and DCL + Sandro in the second. Only support came sparingly from Sigurdsson (mostly anonymous today) and occasionally Kenny would bomb forward. As for poor purchase? Can't be described as one because he only cost 5.3m pounds - He was a Barcelona youth product who is young (22) and scored 20+ goals in a top league last year... Even if he doesn't make it here, the logic int he transfer made sense because it was a largely asymmetrical risk (finance concept). High upside, very minimal downside (low transfer fee) MikeO and markjazzbassist 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted December 23, 2017 Report Share Posted December 23, 2017 7 minutes ago, Quinn31 said: I thought he did well today in doing the dirty work... the stuff he has to do to adapt to the English game as opposed to Spain where he can only score goals and do fine. He made efforts and often succeeded in winning aerial battles, providing an outlet for DCL, and holding the ball up. He didn't do much when he did get an attacking position but none of us did today. It was DCL versus the Chelsea defense in the first half and DCL + Sandro in the second. Only support came sparingly from Sigurdsson (mostly anonymous today) and occasionally Kenny would bomb forward. As for poor purchase? Can't be described as one because he only cost 5.3m pounds - He was a Barcelona youth product who is young (22) and scored 20+ goals in a top league last year... Even if he doesn't make it here, the logic int he transfer made sense because it was a largely asymmetrical risk (finance concept). High upside, very minimal downside (low transfer fee) I'm defining poor purchase in terms of someone who doesn't offer anything to the squad. I don't care if we make 10m on him, but i care if he makes a difference to a match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quinn31 Posted December 23, 2017 Report Share Posted December 23, 2017 3 minutes ago, Aidan Lewis said: I'm defining poor purchase in terms of someone who doesn't offer anything to the squad. I don't care if we make 10m on him, but i care if he makes a difference to a match. Fair enough. Very clear he can't play alone up top and he's not a proper wide man either. Which means we'd likely have to change shape to play him (and likely leave out Rooney, which is a scary thought). With that being said, I think if he played alongside DCL against some of the weaker opposition where we actually saw the ball and would throw players forward, we'd start to see him come good. He offered no end product today, but neither did everyone's favorite new player (DCL) and for the first time showed some willingness to do the dirty work. Aidan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted December 23, 2017 Report Share Posted December 23, 2017 He's got a cracking shot on him but other than that there's little positives. Without space he won't get them opportunities to shoot and look a worldie. He's a great example to show the difference in class of the prem compared to La Liga. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted December 23, 2017 Report Share Posted December 23, 2017 We need to get rid by all accounts he's not happy here and struggling to settle, but besides that he's not good enough and I've seen nothing to make me think he can turn it .around Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted December 23, 2017 Report Share Posted December 23, 2017 Completely useless today don't understand why Sam put him on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted December 23, 2017 Report Share Posted December 23, 2017 10 minutes ago, Bill said: Completely useless today don't understand why Sam put him on. He used today as a "we're expected to lose, lets rotate a bit". I'd give Sandro the first half at WBA, and he serves up the same then loan him out in January. He's not really been given a chance of a run of games, which won't help, but that said, he's not really taken his limited opportunities well at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted December 23, 2017 Report Share Posted December 23, 2017 I'm all for giving new players a chance but to be honest he makes Niasse look like Messi. I Dont think i've seen him produce anything of any note and would be happy to get our £5m back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted December 23, 2017 Report Share Posted December 23, 2017 1 hour ago, Bill said: I Dont think i've seen him produce anything of any note OK so it was only a friendly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted December 23, 2017 Report Share Posted December 23, 2017 He has been off the pace all season but today’s cameo has got to be his worst performance of the lot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nutmegwolf203 Posted December 23, 2017 Report Share Posted December 23, 2017 ^ The team should be wearing that kit more often. And, agreed, I'm just not sure he's capable at this level, or at least not with us right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted December 23, 2017 Report Share Posted December 23, 2017 Really feel for the lad if it's true Malaga want him back then we should let him return, why cast him to U23s and potentially ruin his career, from what we've seen its not going to happen for him here whether because he doesn't fit with us or the league is above his ability, so get rid and free up the wages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 http://www.football365.com/news/celta-vigo-reveal-evertons-reluctance-over-ramirez Quote If anybody is going to leave it would have to be for the right fee so we could use that money somewhere else.” Sell to buy as usual then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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