Guest Posted October 2, 2017 Report Share Posted October 2, 2017 ...would love unsworth to work alongside him also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted October 2, 2017 Report Share Posted October 2, 2017 I still don't understand why Moshiri had to go to the press with that BS. I wish he would just deal with stuff in house and stop talking shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chalkpie Posted October 2, 2017 Report Share Posted October 2, 2017 https://audioboom.com/posts/6354558-the-ronald-koeman-question Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted October 2, 2017 Report Share Posted October 2, 2017 55 minutes ago, Bailey said: I still don't understand why Moshiri had to go to the press with that BS. I wish he would just deal with stuff in house and stop talking shit. I concur. And everything that goes through Jim White either turns out bullshit or wrong. I don't like that relationship at all. It feels forced and designed to keep Evertonians happy. So far it's had the opposite effect. Stop with the Unsworth shouts. Jesus. *Everton approaches young promising player to sign for club, told Unsworths been after him for weeks, "who?"...signs for a manager who's actually done something as a first team coach. The pull of Ancellotti alone, would convince players to join. The guy is a winner. My first choice would still be Tuchel though, with the young squad he'd inherited, we'd be class. His coaching techniques are lightyears ahead of most top level coaches and works hard on chemistry and link up relationships. Best young manager (that's available) bar none. markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 2, 2017 Report Share Posted October 2, 2017 4 minutes ago, Lowensda said: I concur. And everything that goes through Jim White either turns out bullshit or wrong. I don't like that relationship at all. It feels forced and designed to keep Evertonians happy. So far it's had the opposite effect. Stop with the Unsworth shouts. Jesus. *Everton approaches young promising player to sign for club, told Unsworths been after him for weeks, "who?"...signs for a manager who's actually done something as a first team coach. The pull of Ancellotti alone, would convince players to join. The guy is a winner. My first choice would still be Tuchel though, with the young squad he'd inherited, we'd be class. His coaching techniques are lightyears ahead of most top level coaches and works hard on chemistry and link up relationships. Best young manager (that's available) bar none. What complete bullshit. We find ourselves in this position with a manger who has been there, done it and worn the t-shirt. Players have already signed for us based on who we have as our manager. They have stated this in their reasoning. It's time to stop looking for the biggest name. We need a manager who can tactically match any team in the PL, be assertive without fallling out with players and have a long term plan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted October 2, 2017 Report Share Posted October 2, 2017 17 minutes ago, Lowensda said: I concur. And everything that goes through Jim White either turns out bullshit or wrong. I don't like that relationship at all. It feels forced and designed to keep Evertonians happy. So far it's had the opposite effect. Stop with the Unsworth shouts. Jesus. *Everton approaches young promising player to sign for club, told Unsworths been after him for weeks, "who?"...signs for a manager who's actually done something as a first team coach. The pull of Ancellotti alone, would convince players to join. The guy is a winner. My first choice would still be Tuchel though, with the young squad he'd inherited, we'd be class. His coaching techniques are lightyears ahead of most top level coaches and works hard on chemistry and link up relationships. Best young manager (that's available) bar none. I agree with the first bit, not necessarily the second. Tuchel would be my first choice, but I fear Ancelloti would end up similar to Koeman. I don't agree that we should give the job to Unsy straight off but I would be up for him doing a caretaker job until the person we want is available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted October 2, 2017 Report Share Posted October 2, 2017 13 minutes ago, yamar said: What complete bullshit. We find ourselves in this position with a manger who has been there, done it and worn the t-shirt. Players have already signed for us based on who we have as our manager. They have stated this in their reasoning. It's time to stop looking for the biggest name. We need a manager who can tactically match any team in the PL, be assertive without fallling out with players and have a long term plan. If you don't have the resources and players available as the big clubs you need someone who can tactically bridge the gap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 2, 2017 Report Share Posted October 2, 2017 Just now, Bailey said: If you don't have the resources and players available as the big clubs you need someone who can tactically bridge the gap. Isn't that what I said? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted October 2, 2017 Report Share Posted October 2, 2017 1 minute ago, yamar said: Isn't that what I said? I was agreeing with you although I was going to add more but got distracted and pressed send 😃 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted October 2, 2017 Report Share Posted October 2, 2017 3 hours ago, Romey 1878 said: I didn’t think you’d like all that authoritarian shit. You certainly took issue with Koeman making the squad wait to eat until everyone is present. Authority is fine. I'm not into bad mannered managers who makes players wait for him before eating - which is what he was doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 2, 2017 Report Share Posted October 2, 2017 9 minutes ago, Bailey said: I was agreeing with you although I was going to add more but got distracted and pressed send 😃 😁 sausage fingers. I did think today... If we were to sack Koeman we would gain 1/8 of our squad back. "Hi all, whatever happened under Ronald has happened. This cannot be changed. I am here now and I want you all to stay at this fantastic club and for all of us to achieve a fantastic legacy together. I believe in everyone of you individually and hope that you can give me a chance to bring the best out of you and me" Everyone who has fell out with would be on board with the new manager and we have a squad again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted October 2, 2017 Report Share Posted October 2, 2017 36 minutes ago, yamar said: It's time to stop looking for the biggest name. We need a manager who can tactically match any team in the PL, be assertive without fallling out with players and have a long term plan. And Unsworth is worthy of said tshirt is he? Based on what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 2, 2017 Report Share Posted October 2, 2017 Just now, Lowensda said: And Unsworth is worthy of said tshirt is he? Based on what? I said Eddie Howe with unsworth as an assistant.🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted October 2, 2017 Report Share Posted October 2, 2017 10 minutes ago, Lowensda said: And Unsworth is worthy of said tshirt is he? Based on what? Again what I would say is that it's not necessarily that the manager has to be a tactical genius, it's more that he knows what players work well together, and how to get them playing together. We aren't going to get Pep (if you haven't looked on whoscored.com at the average player position v Chelsea, you should as it's a thing of beauty) and from there on there is a gulf in tactical managers, especially when you consider who is available. From the little I have seen of Unsy, and it is only a little, he seems to know how to set up a side. Thats why he needs a trial, certainly not the full time job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nogs Posted October 2, 2017 Report Share Posted October 2, 2017 1 hour ago, Lowensda said: I concur. And everything that goes through Jim White either turns out bullshit or wrong. I don't like that relationship at all. It feels forced and designed to keep Evertonians happy. So far it's had the opposite effect. Stop with the Unsworth shouts. Jesus. *Everton approaches young promising player to sign for club, told Unsworths been after him for weeks, "who?"...signs for a manager who's actually done something as a first team coach. The pull of Ancellotti alone, would convince players to join. The guy is a winner. My first choice would still be Tuchel though, with the young squad he'd inherited, we'd be class. His coaching techniques are lightyears ahead of most top level coaches and works hard on chemistry and link up relationships. Best young manager (that's available) bar none. Except Walsh was still able to pull in players good enough to win the PL despite the fact that Nigel Pearson was in charge. Players don't just sign for clubs because of who the manager is. For one, modern footballers know that managers don't have the greatest longevity at a single club. You might sign for your hero and end up seeing out most of your contract under someone you previously couldn't stand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted October 2, 2017 Report Share Posted October 2, 2017 I've always thought Howe will be a top manager but to soon for him at the moment, I would like to see Rafa come and steady the ship, he has a wealth of experience at big clubs and a good man manager and tactician. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted October 2, 2017 Report Share Posted October 2, 2017 1 hour ago, hafnia said: Authority is fine. I'm not into bad mannered managers who makes players wait for him before eating - which is what he was doing. How is that bad mannered?! I bet it’s common practice at most clubs that a squad, and manager and coaching staff, eat together once everyone is there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted October 2, 2017 Report Share Posted October 2, 2017 28 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said: How is that bad mannered?! I bet it’s common practice at most clubs that a squad, and manager and coaching staff, eat together once everyone is there. Ffs are we getting into this again??? The rumour is he makes himself late/last and makes the players wait for him. I'm fine with the etiquette of pepple waiting for meals to be served before people eat. I'm not ok with egotistical sods who make themselves the focus at others expense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted October 2, 2017 Report Share Posted October 2, 2017 2 minutes ago, hafnia said: Ffs are we getting into this again??? The rumour is he makes himself late/last and makes the players wait for him. I'm fine with the etiquette of pepple waiting for meals to be served before people eat. I'm not ok with egotistical sods who make themselves the focus at others expense. I’m sure you were very eager to believe that and spread it further I can well believe he can be a prick if you cross him but I can’t see him going out of his way to be awkward tbh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted October 2, 2017 Report Share Posted October 2, 2017 Haf, I thought you once said it was Niasse who was late for meals and another reason koeman was off him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted October 3, 2017 Report Share Posted October 3, 2017 If he is sacked, of the available managers here is the order I would like 1. Marcelo Biesla 2. Thomas Tuchel 3. Rhino talk about whipping the team into shape and tactics biesla would be perfect. His all action press and attack would be a good fit for a lot of our players and bring excitement back to goodison. Not to mention he is a maniac about preparation, no more fix it at the half. people like Potch and sampaoli well they got it from El Loco, hire the master. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted October 3, 2017 Report Share Posted October 3, 2017 I'm sorry but it just needs to happen now. By all accounts Walter Smith pretty much abandoned his duties when he was here and I have tgevsame feeling with Koeman. It's like watching a teenager wash his dad's car.... just splashing water - no elbow grease, sulky face. I'll take any of MJB 3 managers. Plus if we get rid now we have a chance that Barkley will sign his contract. May be wring but I do think he would sign if koeman wasn't here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWooney Posted October 3, 2017 Report Share Posted October 3, 2017 8 hours ago, markjazzbassist said: Marcelo Biesla He only started at Lille this season. With 4 defeats in his first 7 games there's always the chance he'll get sacked though I suppose! Must admit I didn't really know of him but his wiki sounds impressive. Hasn't won a whole lot mind with just 3 Argentine championships in the 90's and a gold medal in the Olympics with Argentina. Did good things with Athletico Bilbao though He seems a bit volatile though, did one season at Marseillie, had a few days at Lazio and is now having a hard time at Lille. A write up here bout his current season, the way he pulled apart the Lille team and eccentricity don't inspire me with confidence https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/sep/25/marcelo-bielsa-lille-monaco-ligue-1 Tuchel seems to be in talks with Bayern. Rhino, the job is yours! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted October 3, 2017 Report Share Posted October 3, 2017 2 hours ago, FairWooney said: He only started at Lille this season. With 4 defeats in his first 7 games there's always the chance he'll get sacked though I suppose! Must admit I didn't really know of him but his wiki sounds impressive. Hasn't won a whole lot mind with just 3 Argentine championships in the 90's and a gold medal in the Olympics with Argentina. Did good things with Athletico Bilbao though He seems a bit volatile though, did one season at Marseillie, had a few days at Lazio and is now having a hard time at Lille. A write up here bout his current season, the way he pulled apart the Lille team and eccentricity don't inspire me with confidence https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/sep/25/marcelo-bielsa-lille-monaco-ligue-1 Tuchel seems to be in talks with Bayern. Rhino, the job is yours! Shit I didn't know he was at Lille! I need to watch some more French league now. if tuchel is going to Bayern then I guess it's rhino left. I don't want pardew rednapp fat sam etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnh Posted October 3, 2017 Report Share Posted October 3, 2017 That was a stroke of luck Hodgson getting fixed up. Cornish Steve 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted October 3, 2017 Report Share Posted October 3, 2017 1 hour ago, markjazzbassist said: Shit I didn't know he was at Lille! I need to watch some more French league now. if tuchel is going to Bayern then I guess it's rhino left. I don't want pardew rednapp fat sam etc. If any of them got the job I might give up (I know I won't but only because I'm addicted). I've supported Everton through thick and thin, but that would just be a fuck you to all Evertonians MikeO and markjazzbassist 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted October 3, 2017 Report Share Posted October 3, 2017 3 hours ago, FairWooney said: He only started at Lille this season. With 4 defeats in his first 7 games there's always the chance he'll get sacked though I suppose! Must admit I didn't really know of him but his wiki sounds impressive. Hasn't won a whole lot mind with just 3 Argentine championships in the 90's and a gold medal in the Olympics with Argentina. Did good things with Athletico Bilbao though He seems a bit volatile though, did one season at Marseillie, had a few days at Lazio and is now having a hard time at Lille. A write up here bout his current season, the way he pulled apart the Lille team and eccentricity don't inspire me with confidence https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/sep/25/marcelo-bielsa-lille-monaco-ligue-1 Tuchel seems to be in talks with Bayern. Rhino, the job is yours! I had to look that up, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. Didn't know that Unsworth was known as Rhino. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EFC-Paul Posted October 3, 2017 Report Share Posted October 3, 2017 The Unsworth shouts are nothing short of naive imo The man has no experience being at the helm at this level he's essentially been handling youth players with very little pressure His next move should be as a number 2 Paddock 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 3, 2017 Report Share Posted October 3, 2017 Simeone is the only viable option in our position. He can strip squad and get them extremely well drilled again... Give him all the money in the world and get him in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quinn31 Posted October 3, 2017 Report Share Posted October 3, 2017 Absolute no to Bielsa. He is too stubborn/theoretical and if his concepts don't translate over, his teams go tits up. Also, his style is too distinct to build around because any manager we appoint after him would have to have a similar style to have a chance of success. Also think his style is too extreme for England, at least with the players we could buy. Let the shite sack Klopp, and then take him. If he can have a change of heart, so can I. Think Evertonians would love his style. Rafa is a good shout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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