markjazzbassist Posted October 27, 2020 Report Share Posted October 27, 2020 3 hours ago, Shukes said: Bit like Siggy? When has siggy played on the left of a forward 3? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted October 28, 2020 Report Share Posted October 28, 2020 8 hours ago, markjazzbassist said: When has siggy played on the left of a forward 3? Just saying he lost his place and say on the bench like Traore, so he can’t be good enough for us...... didn't say anything about him Playing on the left of a front 3. But for the record, doesn't he often play on the left? Not sure he plays anywhere else other than occasionally central. But anyway, point was Traore isn’t good enough because he’s on the bench, like Siggy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted October 28, 2020 Report Share Posted October 28, 2020 2 hours ago, Shukes said: Just saying he lost his place and say on the bench like Traore, so he can’t be good enough for us...... didn't say anything about him Playing on the left of a front 3. But for the record, doesn't he often play on the left? Not sure he plays anywhere else other than occasionally central. But anyway, point was Traore isn’t good enough because he’s on the bench, like Siggy. Sigurdsson isn't good enough for us though, so you are making MJB's point for him with that example . markjazzbassist and Shukes 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted October 28, 2020 Report Share Posted October 28, 2020 2 hours ago, Romey 1878 said: Sigurdsson isn't good enough for us though, so you are making MJB's point for him with that example . Exactly haha. Sigurdson Has the occasional ok game, but generally not good enough. Was more trying to get MJB to bite, he’s usually easier than this hahaha! Oh wel, back to winding Palfy up!!!! Gana is great!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted October 28, 2020 Report Share Posted October 28, 2020 On 27/10/2020 at 19:40, markjazzbassist said: city and united have been awful in recruitment that last few years, so a link with them means absolutely nothing. That’s extremely naive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted October 29, 2020 Report Share Posted October 29, 2020 Traoe is better than any other winger we have bar Richarlison and if James could play that playmaker role of the midfield 3 we would have some team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted October 29, 2020 Report Share Posted October 29, 2020 13 hours ago, StevO said: That’s extremely naive. great article below about City's transfers being not great. in short, they have replaced worldies with average players but overspent doing so. https://www.espn.com/soccer/manchester-city/story/4218136/man-citys-worst-start-under-guardiola-is-down-the-club-losing-their-touch-in-the-transfer-market Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted October 29, 2020 Report Share Posted October 29, 2020 2 hours ago, markjazzbassist said: great article below about City's transfers being not great. in short, they have replaced worldies with average players but overspent doing so. https://www.espn.com/soccer/manchester-city/story/4218136/man-citys-worst-start-under-guardiola-is-down-the-club-losing-their-touch-in-the-transfer-market Liverpools transfers have been arguably the best and they are interested in him. Klopp seriously rates him Aside that, transfers aren't an exact science. Sometimes they just don't work out for whatever reason. When clubs are recruiting youth nowadays - a player with the athletic potential of traore is going to get more chance than a diminutive skillful player. That's an absolute fact, whether it's right or not ..... The clubs invest a shitload in understanding what the best players looked like at a certain age. Thierry Henry for example went to arsenal at 22/23 and broke out at a similar age to traore.... Both utilised primarily for their pace. Both can control a ball and have skill....... The end product is the bit that comes. Similar to what we see with DCL and what we seen with kane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted October 29, 2020 Report Share Posted October 29, 2020 10 hours ago, markjazzbassist said: great article below about City's transfers being not great. in short, they have replaced worldies with average players but overspent doing so. https://www.espn.com/soccer/manchester-city/story/4218136/man-citys-worst-start-under-guardiola-is-down-the-club-losing-their-touch-in-the-transfer-market But you thinking because United and City haven’t had great recruiting makes a link worth nothing is ridiculous. You might not have rated their transfers, but these clubs finished second and third in the league. They can’t be that bad. Not to mention that before the season just finished, City were the league champions. They might not have bought players you rate, but they aren’t doing so bad with them. The last journalists opinion on football I would take would be Mark Ogden, even less if it’s regarding City. The guy might as well have his old Trafford season ticket photographed in his Twitter banner. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted October 30, 2020 Report Share Posted October 30, 2020 51 minutes ago, StevO said: But you thinking because United and City haven’t had great recruiting makes a link worth nothing is ridiculous. You might not have rated their transfers, but these clubs finished second and third in the league. They can’t be that bad. Not to mention that before the season just finished, City were the league champions. They might not have bought players you rate, but they aren’t doing so bad with them. The last journalists opinion on football I would take would be Mark Ogden, even less if it’s regarding City. The guy might as well have his old Trafford season ticket photographed in his Twitter banner. He’s the fella that said he thought Moyes was a better option for us than Ancelotti and said he’d fancy Moyes to do a better job over 6 months. He’s a clueless dickhead. StevO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted October 30, 2020 Report Share Posted October 30, 2020 3 hours ago, StevO said: But you thinking because United and City haven’t had great recruiting makes a link worth nothing is ridiculous. You might not have rated their transfers, but these clubs finished second and third in the league. They can’t be that bad. Not to mention that before the season just finished, City were the league champions. They might not have bought players you rate, but they aren’t doing so bad with them. The last journalists opinion on football I would take would be Mark Ogden, even less if it’s regarding City. The guy might as well have his old Trafford season ticket photographed in his Twitter banner. I don’t care about the journalist slant the factual transfer fees and on field play which we all see is evident. They backline is atrocious and their position in the table shows it. That is the result of their recruitment, those were first choice players because city gets it first choices. And they have gotten it wrong. More times than right recently. So a link with them isn’t a confirmation of ability. That is my point. United the same thing. Liverpool you can’t fault so if they are truly linked I would say their could be a player there as their recruitment has as a whole been net positive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted October 30, 2020 Report Share Posted October 30, 2020 5 hours ago, markjazzbassist said: I don’t care about the journalist slant the factual transfer fees and on field play which we all see is evident. They backline is atrocious and their position in the table shows it. That is the result of their recruitment, those were first choice players because city gets it first choices. And they have gotten it wrong. More times than right recently. So a link with them isn’t a confirmation of ability. That is my point. United the same thing. Liverpool you can’t fault so if they are truly linked I would say their could be a player there as their recruitment has as a whole been net positive. Finished second and third, don’t know what more you need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted October 30, 2020 Report Share Posted October 30, 2020 23 hours ago, Hafnia said: Liverpools transfers have been arguably the best and they are interested in him. Klopp seriously rates him Aside that, transfers aren't an exact science. Sometimes they just don't work out for whatever reason. When clubs are recruiting youth nowadays - a player with the athletic potential of traore is going to get more chance than a diminutive skillful player. That's an absolute fact, whether it's right or not ..... The clubs invest a shitload in understanding what the best players looked like at a certain age. Thierry Henry for example went to arsenal at 22/23 and broke out at a similar age to traore.... Both utilised primarily for their pace. Both can control a ball and have skill....... The end product is the bit that comes. Similar to what we see with DCL and what we seen with kane. I think the telling point is that Liverpool bought Jota instead, who in my opinion is a far more complete footballer. There is no way Traore would fit in at Liverpool and I would be amazed if they had really considered buying him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted October 31, 2020 Report Share Posted October 31, 2020 9 hours ago, Bailey said: I think the telling point is that Liverpool bought Jota instead, who in my opinion is a far more complete footballer. There is no way Traore would fit in at Liverpool and I would be amazed if they had really considered buying him. If Adama traore was available for a fee up to £45m then I know who they would have got. FSG are being tight with coins. Didn't Liverpool lose out on a fullback at Norwich for scrimping? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted October 31, 2020 Report Share Posted October 31, 2020 https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/oct/30/everton-must-prove-they-can-win-without-richarlison-says-ancelotti The article also tells us that there is no option or obligation to buy clause in Kean's loan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted October 31, 2020 Report Share Posted October 31, 2020 16 hours ago, Hafnia said: If Adama traore was available for a fee up to £45m then I know who they would have got. FSG are being tight with coins. Didn't Liverpool lose out on a fullback at Norwich for scrimping? If Traore was going to be that important to them they would have bought him at that price. Just like they did with VVD and Alison. They wanted Jota because he fits and they bought him for what wasn't exactly a cheap price either. pete0 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted October 31, 2020 Report Share Posted October 31, 2020 2 hours ago, Bailey said: If Traore was going to be that important to them they would have bought him at that price. Just like they did with VVD and Alison. They wanted Jota because he fits and they bought him for what wasn't exactly a cheap price either. Jota is a rotation player, he's a sub tonight. He will feature more than minamino. It's been widely reported klopp wants traore .... He referred to him as unplayable and he's a huge fan. Klopp had told Edwards he wanted him Liverpool have not been given the cash to spend which is why they never went in for Timo werner.... Klopp conceded that they weren't looking to sanction such bids with them losing as much money as they are. Jota is a tidy player who will give them strength in depth. Traore is a turbo boost for an already dynamic front line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted October 31, 2020 Report Share Posted October 31, 2020 35 minutes ago, Hafnia said: Jota is a rotation player, he's a sub tonight. He will feature more than minamino. It's been widely reported klopp wants traore .... He referred to him as unplayable and he's a huge fan. Klopp had told Edwards he wanted him Liverpool have not been given the cash to spend which is why they never went in for Timo werner.... Klopp conceded that they weren't looking to sanction such bids with them losing as much money as they are. Jota is a tidy player who will give them strength in depth. Traore is a turbo boost for an already dynamic front line. Watching tonight’s game Jota will be replacing Firminio in the not so distant future. Wiggytop and Bailey 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted October 31, 2020 Report Share Posted October 31, 2020 10 minutes ago, Palfy said: Watching tonight’s game Jota will be replacing Firminio in the not so distant future. He is very good and it's £40m well spent. He is better through the centre and as a false 9. Bet you they go for traore.... Palfy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted October 31, 2020 Report Share Posted October 31, 2020 Why would they go for Traore when they have similar in Shaqiri. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted November 1, 2020 Report Share Posted November 1, 2020 1 hour ago, Bill said: Why would they go for Traore when they have similar in Shaqiri. ? This is a joke right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted November 1, 2020 Report Share Posted November 1, 2020 No joke Steve. Traore wouldn't get in ahead of Salah or Mane so why would you buy another who was going to sit on the bench next to Shaqiri. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted November 2, 2020 Report Share Posted November 2, 2020 18 hours ago, Bill said: No joke Steve. Traore wouldn't get in ahead of Salah or Mane so why would you buy another who was going to sit on the bench next to Shaqiri. But he’s worlds better than Shaqiri. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted November 2, 2020 Report Share Posted November 2, 2020 On topic. We miss Richarlison so much, we lose so much threat without him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted November 2, 2020 Report Share Posted November 2, 2020 1 hour ago, StevO said: But he’s worlds better than Shaqiri. To be fair to Shaqiri, when he is fit he has done well coming off the bench for Liverpool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted November 2, 2020 Report Share Posted November 2, 2020 9 hours ago, StevO said: On topic. We miss Richarlison so much, we lose so much threat without him. It would seem that way, but I’m of the same opinion as Ancelotti we have to show we can win with out him, we can’t get tagged as a one player team the onus is on every player to prove we are capable without Richarlison on the pitch. StevO and markjazzbassist 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted November 2, 2020 Report Share Posted November 2, 2020 8 hours ago, Bailey said: To be fair to Shaqiri, when he is fit he has done well coming off the bench for Liverpool. I rated him at Stoke, but he wasn’t ever breaking into that Liverpool team and hardly played last season. He’s not the player he was two or three years ago. Traore could be a real option for any team with his pace. Palfy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted November 2, 2020 Report Share Posted November 2, 2020 4 minutes ago, StevO said: I rated him at Stoke, but he wasn’t ever breaking into that Liverpool team and hardly played last season. He’s not the player he was two or three years ago. Traore could be a real option for any team with his pace. I agree, but he’s to good a player to be playing in the reserves or sat on bench, he needs to get out of Anfield and find regular first team football he could offer so much to another team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted November 3, 2020 Report Share Posted November 3, 2020 Richarlison is clearly our most important player, by a stretch. I've often wondered why he seems to have this force field around him.... Running with the ball opponents struggle, when they have the ball they struggle Even when he's not playing well he's vital to the team. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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