Gylfi Sigurðsson

[Hafnia]

10 hours ago, Bailey said:

To be fair to Siggy he got back in and defended on more than one occasion when a player without desire wouldn't have. 

I do think Davies gave it more of a go but there was no quality in anything he did when it came to doing something important and that is where, for me, Siggy edged it. I'm certainly not saying he played well, in terms of moments of quality, he showed more than the other two. 

I couldn't care how much they get paid or cost, that wasn't part of the equation. Was Siggy's performance good enough, no. Was Davies' performance good enough, no. That is all that matters to me. It doesnt give Davies an excuse to play shitter because he came from the academy and is paid less.

No but gylfi has been applying the square foot of fuck all for weeks now... yet some fans just go on about Davies lack of quality.   Davies wouldn't or shouldn't be selected if it wasn't for the fact that gylfi can't run or tackle. Same goes for Gomes.

It's like being sat in a car that's broken down  and criticising the tow truck because if looks shit.   

Davies isn't the problem.... the fact that he is required is the problem.  He should be a bench player and nothing more with a view to be sold. The £70m outlay on 2 misfits who don't give a shit is a problem. 

[Steve_E]

15 hours ago, Romey 1878 said:

Got to be one of the worst signings we’ve made, if not the very worst. 

Definitely one of. Think you could argue Bolasie was even worse. Read somewhere this past week he's still earning 70k a week off the club...

You'd have to imagine Sigurdsson earns even more though, given the fact that he cost more and was clearly the more accomplished player at the time. 

Anyone happen to know when their contracts run out? Don't think you're getting rid of them any other way.

[Romey 1878]

20 minutes ago, Steve_E said:

Definitely one of. Think you could argue Bolasie was even worse. Read somewhere this past week he's still earning 70k a week off the club...

You'd have to imagine Sigurdsson earns even more though, given the fact that he cost more and was clearly the more accomplished player at the time. 

Anyone happen to know when their contracts run out? Don't think you're getting rid of them any other way.

I think Bolasie still has another year. Gylfi might be the same.

These two signings probably wind me up the most tbh. Bolasie because he's just awful and we shouldn't have gone anywhere near signing him. Gylfi because we had absolutely no need to sign him - once the fee got above £20m/£25m we should have walked away. It made no sense whatsoever to sign him for the sort of money we paid for him.

[Hafnia]

6 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said:

I think Bolasie still has another year. Gylfi might be the same.

These two signings probably wind me up the most tbh. Bolasie because he's just awful and we shouldn't have gone anywhere near signing him. Gylfi because we had absolutely no need to sign him - once the fee got above £20m/£25m we should have walked away. It made no sense whatsoever to sign him for the sort of money we paid for him.

Must admit the bolassie signing was complete and utter lunacy... I think at the time the only positive I could find was that Liverpool fans clapped him off cos he terrorised them.  I actually did like his crossing when he arrived, deep dipping back post deliveries.   His signing set the wheels in motion for some really odd signings.

Gylfi has pissed me off immensely - as have the fans who refuse to see him for what he is, a lazy mercenary who literally does not care a jot.  Oh yeah he scored the odd beauty - yeah that's why we paid £45m for him! Forty five million!!!!  but yeah lets get on Tom Davies back...…. cost us nothing - had his development hindered by playing with mercenaries like Siggy, Schneiderlein, Walcott & co.....  

 

 

[Bailey]

5 hours ago, Hafnia said:

No but gylfi has been applying the square foot of fuck all for weeks now... yet some fans just go on about Davies lack of quality.   Davies wouldn't or shouldn't be selected if it wasn't for the fact that gylfi can't run or tackle. Same goes for Gomes.

It's like being sat in a car that's broken down  and criticising the tow truck because if looks shit.   

Davies isn't the problem.... the fact that he is required is the problem.  He should be a bench player and nothing more with a view to be sold. The £70m outlay on 2 misfits who don't give a shit is a problem. 

Unfortunately the bare facts speak for themselves because the player doing the square root of fuck all (all season I would add) still end up with more tackles (50 v 38), more interceptions (37 v 35), defended more blocked shots (20 v 6) and made more recoveries (147 v 138). If one is doing fuck all, then the other who has performed worse, has also done fuck all. Much in the same way Gylfi did fuck all in defending the free kick against Wolves, Davies did the same this weekend against Lerma. Neither of them are good enough and they are both first team footballers employed by this club to perform. Regardless of who is paid more, they are both paid very well to perform a lot better than they are. They are both problems.

3 hours ago, Romey 1878 said:

I think Bolasie still has another year. Gylfi might be the same.

These two signings probably wind me up the most tbh. Bolasie because he's just awful and we shouldn't have gone anywhere near signing him. Gylfi because we had absolutely no need to sign him - once the fee got above £20m/£25m we should have walked away. It made no sense whatsoever to sign him for the sort of money we paid for him.

It was all about the marque signing. Showing everyone that we had money. Served us right to be honest.

[Hafnia]

26 minutes ago, Bailey said:

Unfortunately the bare facts speak for themselves because the player doing the square root of fuck all (all season I would add) still end up with more tackles (50 v 38), more interceptions (37 v 35), defended more blocked shots (20 v 6) and made more recoveries (147 v 138). If one is doing fuck all, then the other who has performed worse, has also done fuck all. Much in the same way Gylfi did fuck all in defending the free kick against Wolves, Davies did the same this weekend against Lerma. Neither of them are good enough and they are both first team footballers employed by this club to perform. Regardless of who is paid more, they are both paid very well to perform a lot better than they are. They are both problems.

It was all about the marque signing. Showing everyone that we had money. Served us right to be honest.

Bare facts are you compared total numbers yet omitted the fact that Gylfi had over 550 more minutes than Davies....

So if you normalize those numbers it doesn't make great reading.

"Applying the square root of fuck all in recent weeks" was my comment.  But quite happy to compare data that doesn't measure application over a full season if that's your best defence of gylfi...against a player who admittedly isn't good enough.

Happy to see gylfi play for us next year?  Surely if we put him on the market a good side would come in for him???

[Bailey]

3 hours ago, Hafnia said:

Bare facts are you compared total numbers yet omitted the fact that Gylfi had over 550 more minutes than Davies....

So if you normalize those numbers it doesn't make great reading.

"Applying the square root of fuck all in recent weeks" was my comment.  But quite happy to compare data that doesn't measure application over a full season if that's your best defence of gylfi...against a player who admittedly isn't good enough.

Happy to see gylfi play for us next year?  Surely if we put him on the market a good side would come in for him???

The data over the season also compares the same on a per game basis with all basic stats on whoscored. Doesn't show recoveries mind you. 

The point you have failed to grasp is that even with 1000 more minutes if you read your posts you would expect to see Gylfi putting in less figures that Davies. He does fuck all is the suggestion you are making and yet the person you are comparing him to, who does much more actually doesn't. That is the point. 

I dont know where you think that I want Gylfi in the side or to play for us regularly. I have repeatedly said otherwise. I just can't be having some BS comments being made against one player when the same BS comments are being glossed over for another. Gylfi does more and can do more than Tom and the Tom you see now is as good as it gets whereas Gylfi as shite as he has been can bring more quality to the game than Tom. The sooner we are shot of both, the better.

[Shukes]

The only time I will be happy, is when I see this thread with that changed font, and a description saying it has been moved to general football.

[Hafnia]

2 hours ago, Bailey said:

The data over the season also compares the same on a per game basis with all basic stats on whoscored. Doesn't show recoveries mind you. 

The point you have failed to grasp is that even with 1000 more minutes if you read your posts you would expect to see Gylfi putting in less figures that Davies. He does fuck all is the suggestion you are making and yet the person you are comparing him to, who does much more actually doesn't. That is the point. 

I dont know where you think that I want Gylfi in the side or to play for us regularly. I have repeatedly said otherwise. I just can't be having some BS comments being made against one player when the same BS comments are being glossed over for another. Gylfi does more and can do more than Tom and the Tom you see now is as good as it gets whereas Gylfi as shite as he has been can bring more quality to the game than Tom. The sooner we are shot of both, the better.

"Applying".... is the word you missed nothing to do with what I'm suggesting.... it's what I'm saying.  "Applying the square root of fuck all in recent weeks"  points to a piss poor lazy arsed attitude.

He could have scored 6 goals..... don't give a shit.  He has strolled around getting himself marked out the game.  Seen enough.... he showed up against sheff United thsts it....and I hope gets sold asap with the rest of the mercenaries.

Gomes has earned himself a few months grace after his injury but I'm seeing very similar traits in him and I can't abide it.

 

[chicagoblue]

On 26/07/2020 at 11:42, London Blue said:

Omar Niasse, but its close.

Didn't cost us a fraction of what Gylfi did

12 hours ago, Steve_E said:

Definitely one of. Think you could argue Bolasie was even worse. Read somewhere this past week he's still earning 70k a week off the club...

You'd have to imagine Sigurdsson earns even more though, given the fact that he cost more and was clearly the more accomplished player at the time. 

Anyone happen to know when their contracts run out? Don't think you're getting rid of them any other way.

Same for Bolasie as Niasse and with both we at least got some of their wages off the books while they were on loan.  With any luck the end of this season will see us draw a line under what was largely an atrocious period of transfer business by us.

[Btay]

I think the Bolasie shout is a bit harsh. The season before we signed him he was a handful, raw pace and unbelievable dribbling with questionable end product. His injury is what makes his transfer look bad, not his lack of heart or effort. I don’t think he deserves to be labeled with some of these others for that reason alone.

The thing with Gylfi that drive me nuts is every time I watch us - we get slammed by the “pundits” for wasting one of the leagues most “technically gifted” players by playing him out of position. There’s this complete and utter stigma around Gylfi that he is some silky smooth “10” who threads passes for fun. In reality, he got a tonne of assists/goals from set pieces which hasn’t happened here.

I think Walsh in all his wisdom wanted Gylfi + Giroud  that summer for set pieces.

[Matt]

9 hours ago, Btay said:

I think the Bolasie shout is a bit harsh. The season before we signed him he was a handful, raw pace and unbelievable dribbling with questionable end product. His injury is what makes his transfer look bad, not his lack of heart or effort. I don’t think he deserves to be labeled with some of these others for that reason alone.

The thing with Gylfi that drive me nuts is every time I watch us - we get slammed by the “pundits” for wasting one of the leagues most “technically gifted” players by playing him out of position. There’s this complete and utter stigma around Gylfi that he is some silky smooth “10” who threads passes for fun. In reality, he got a tonne of assists/goals from set pieces which hasn’t happened here.

I think Walsh in all his wisdom wanted Gylfi + Giroud  that summer for set pieces.

Agree with the second paragraph but Bolasie was never good enough. 

[Elston Gunnn]

On 27/07/2020 at 05:24, Steve_E said:

Anyone happen to know when their contracts run out? Don't think you're getting rid of them any other way.

Alas ......

https://www.toffeeweb.com/season/19-20/squad.php

[Btay]

17 hours ago, Matt said:

Agree with the second paragraph but Bolasie was never good enough. 

I actually read through the comments when we signed him. To be fair you’ve never been keen on it, so you nailed this one!

 

However it wasn’t unanimous and I’d even say probably about 70-30% in favour of him ( fee was mentioned but we were adapting to the new prices ).

 

Regardless, had he not been injured I think he would have done more than Walcott has for us. My opinion though.

[Matt]

In this case I’m sad to be proven right 

[Bailey]

Article with quotes from him today in which he basically responds to those critiquing him by saying that he is playing as Ancelotti has asked. 

Explains why he has stayed in the side I suppose.

[Palfy]

14 minutes ago, Bailey said:

Article with quotes from him today in which he basically responds to those critiquing him by saying that he is playing as Ancelotti has asked. 

Explains why he has stayed in the side I suppose.

I think no other option explains why he’s in the team, and could be for the foreseeable future if we don’t get any new signings in. 

[Btay]

1 hour ago, Palfy said:

I think no other option explains why he’s in the team, and could be for the foreseeable future if we don’t get any new signings in. 

Been critical of him but his reaction to the third goal being conceded was actually good. Saw him visibly angry, punching the ground. He does not fit into a 442 what so ever and i think we all need to forget the price tag that has come with him if he is to stay because he simply isnt a mega money player. 

[markjazzbassist]

People love to hate him but when he’s played in an advanced position he creates.  His first year with us he had plenty of goals and assists.  Carlo knows he’s stuck with him and good on him for making it work instead of throwing a fit t get rid like most managers do.

[Btay]

4 hours ago, markjazzbassist said:

People love to hate him but when he’s played in an advanced position he creates.  His first year with us he had plenty of goals and assists.  Carlo knows he’s stuck with him and good on him for making it work instead of throwing a fit t get rid like most managers do.

Mark, I don’t know how it’s happened in the world of football but Gylfi has this stigma to him that he’s this technical, chance creating and assist giving machine - he’s not. He’s got a fantastic long shot and good on a dead ball ( we haven’t seen the latter nearly enough ).

112 games for us and 15 assists.

19/20 1,019 passes in the season - 5 big chances created 

18/19 990 passes - 11 big chances 

17/18 700 passes - 5 big chances 

 

[Romey 1878]

3 hours ago, Btay said:

Mark, I don’t know how it’s happened in the world of football but Gylfi has this stigma to him that he’s this technical, chance creating and assist giving machine - he’s not. He’s got a fantastic long shot and good on a dead ball ( we haven’t seen the latter nearly enough ).

112 games for us and 15 assists.

19/20 1,019 passes in the season - 5 big chances created 

18/19 990 passes - 11 big chances 

17/18 700 passes - 5 big chances 

 

And this is why I was so against us signing him in the first place. We needed a creative player and we signed him and went after him like he was a key creative player, and paid for him like he would be a key creative player for us.

It was never going to be the reality and I still have no fucking clue what we were thinking going all out for him. He'd have been a nice to have player, nothing more than that, and we really should have walked away from the deal once it got past £20m.

[markjazzbassist]

The last match he played advanced for us with that 4231 he played more than a few through ball, forward pass, or nice 1-2 link up play.  It’s not his fault his teammates botched them.  They don’t count as stats likely but I saw them with my eyes.  I’m not saying he’s Eriksen’s level, but he’s not a lame duck out there either.  

[StevO]

But if you’re the kind of footballer who can only perform in one specific formation are you really that good?

He is a man that has plenty of ability, but he hasn’t shown it enough here. 
 

Also seen that he’s never scored a free kick for us? It was on Twitter like, but is that really true?

[pete0]

Don't think we bought him as a 10. He was used as a winger the last season with Swansea and they had a big target man up front, but we missed out on giroud ended up with Rooney instead so couldn't play to his strengths. 

That said even then when he joined the club there was the worrying stat that he'd only created as many chances in open play as Gareth Barry. 

[barryj]

6 hours ago, StevO said:

But if you’re the kind of footballer who can only perform in one specific formation are you really that good?

He is a man that has plenty of ability, but he hasn’t shown it enough here. 
 

Also seen that he’s never scored a free kick for us? It was on Twitter like, but is that really true?

Nice one against Blackpool at the weekend. 

[Bailey]

6 hours ago, pete0 said:

Don't think we bought him as a 10. He was used as a winger the last season with Swansea and they had a big target man up front, but we missed out on giroud ended up with Rooney instead so couldn't play to his strengths. 

That said even then when he joined the club there was the worrying stat that he'd only created as many chances in open play as Gareth Barry. 

For me that is even more baffling. Buy a player to compliment another player that wasn't signed or even a similar type of player.

[StevO]

2 hours ago, barryj said:

Nice one against Blackpool at the weekend. 

I know he did. But is the only freekick the one he scored in a preseason friendly? 
That’s poor for a set piece specialist if it’s true. 

[barryj]

3 minutes ago, StevO said:

I know he did. But is the only freekick the one he scored in a preseason friendly? 
That’s poor for a set piece specialist if it’s true. 

Sadly I believe it is. Surprised me to as he’s meant to be a dead ball specialist. Maybe with Baines, Digne ahead of him he hasn’t had that many efforts. We never get given any free kicks in dangerous areas anyway. 

[StevO]

11 minutes ago, barryj said:

Sadly I believe it is. Surprised me to as he’s meant to be a dead ball specialist. Maybe with Baines, Digne ahead of him he hasn’t had that many efforts. We never get given any free kicks in dangerous areas anyway. 

I don’t think anyone has been ahead of him in the queue to be honest. Baines and Digne have just taken more chances I guess. 

[Wiggytop]

8 hours ago, barryj said:

Sadly I believe it is. Surprised me to as he’s meant to be a dead ball specialist. Maybe with Baines, Digne ahead of him he hasn’t had that many efforts. We never get given any free kicks in dangerous areas anyway. 

He’s had plenty of efforts at home that I can remember, not sure about away. Either way his return should be better.