Romey 1878 Posted January 1 Report Share Posted January 1 26 minutes ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said: https://everton.vitalfootball.co.uk/everton-defender-close-to-january-move-to-premier-league-rivals/ If he goes then we'll have to keep Keane because Mina is a Mina. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunlopp9987 Posted January 1 Report Share Posted January 1 13 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said: If he goes then we'll have to keep Keane because Mina is a Mina. I'm fine with that if it means bringing in some money from the Holgate sale to buy an attacker. We have decent depth at center half Cornish Steve 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted January 1 Report Share Posted January 1 5 hours ago, dunlopp9987 said: I'm fine with that if it means bringing in some money from the Holgate sale to buy an attacker. We have decent depth at center half I only mention it because Keane has been heavily linked with a January move. dunlopp9987 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuffRob Posted January 1 Report Share Posted January 1 I don't have a particular problem selling Holgate if price was right. However, I am not overly keen on selling any player to any club in January who look like they might also be in the mix for a relegation fight this year. Palfy, StevO and dunlopp9987 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted January 1 Report Share Posted January 1 1 hour ago, RuffRob said: I don't have a particular problem selling Holgate if price was right. However, I am not overly keen on selling any player to any club in January who look like they might also be in the mix for a relegation fight this year. Good point the last thing we need to do is improve the teams around us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunlopp9987 Posted January 1 Report Share Posted January 1 18 minutes ago, Palfy said: Good point the last thing we need to do is improve the teams around us. Think they'd take Mina off our hands though?? Think of it as our trojan horse StevO and Palfy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted January 1 Report Share Posted January 1 2 hours ago, RuffRob said: I don't have a particular problem selling Holgate if price was right. However, I am not overly keen on selling any player to any club in January who look like they might also be in the mix for a relegation fight this year. Id have thought that would be the reason to sell Holgate to them! AlbanyNYToffee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlbanyNYToffee Posted January 2 Report Share Posted January 2 2 hours ago, Palfy said: Good point the last thing we need to do is improve the teams around us. 1 hour ago, Bailey said: Id have thought that would be the reason to sell Holgate to them! Exactly. What have we seen from Holgate to think we’re improving a team close to us. I’d love to see us play Holgate in a starting XI, as long as we’re playing against them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted January 2 Report Share Posted January 2 If we’re going to sell defenders then we should be looking at Mina and Keane first. Though granted…. No one else would be foolish enough to buy Mina, we might get a few quid for Keane still. Holgate is young and better than both. Palfy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted January 2 Report Share Posted January 2 The only reason to keep Holgate over the others is that he is cheaper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted January 2 Report Share Posted January 2 And better. Even your weird way of looking at football can see that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted January 2 Report Share Posted January 2 1 hour ago, Shukes said: And better. Even your weird way of looking at football can see that There are quite a lot of managers have picked those others over him consistently. Either way, he isnt good enough and never has been. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted January 3 Report Share Posted January 3 To be fair Bailey, when he was fit… he was being picked consistently. No way would I pick him as a starter now. But no way would I be bringing Mina or Keane on before him either. They are both pants. While he is at least room to improve on his side. Its only opinions granted, but in mine he is above those two mentioned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted January 3 Report Share Posted January 3 On 02/01/2023 at 02:12, Shukes said: If we’re going to sell defenders then we should be looking at Mina and Keane first. Though granted…. No one else would be foolish enough to buy Mina, we might get a few quid for Keane still. Holgate is young and better than both. There's no question of his ability. Personally, I think the bigger problem is attitude. He became too big for his boots instead of being hungry to win/keep his spot. That has to be part of the reason why we brought in Tarkowski and Coady. Matt and Shukes 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwlad all over Posted January 3 Report Share Posted January 3 5 minutes ago, Cornish Steve said: There's no question of his ability. Personally, I think the bigger problem is attitude. He became too big for his boots instead of being hungry to win/keep his spot. That has to be part of the reason why we brought in Tarkowski and Coady. This. He got a lot of criticism on here for the way he strutted around the pitch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted January 3 Report Share Posted January 3 8 minutes ago, Cornish Steve said: There's no question of his ability. Personally, I think the bigger problem is attitude. He became too big for his boots instead of being hungry to win/keep his spot. That has to be part of the reason why we brought in Tarkowski and Coady. 100% This is the reason I would keep him. His ability is above the other two, he has age on his side, and now has two better players in front of him who happen to be leaders and motivators. Our problem is going to be that other sides are going to be interested in his situation and not really take the risk on Mina and Keane. Ive asked the manager of the Barley Mow if he would take Mina on a free… Fooking barred now. Gwlad all over and Palfy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted January 3 Report Share Posted January 3 4 hours ago, Shukes said: To be fair Bailey, when he was fit… he was being picked consistently. No way would I pick him as a starter now. But no way would I be bringing Mina or Keane on before him either. They are both pants. While he is at least room to improve on his side. Its only opinions granted, but in mine he is above those two mentioned. Only because Mina wasn't fit. Keane almost always started ahead of him. 3 hours ago, Cornish Steve said: There's no question of his ability. Personally, I think the bigger problem is attitude. He became too big for his boots instead of being hungry to win/keep his spot. That has to be part of the reason why we brought in Tarkowski and Coady. There is a massive question over his ability! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted January 3 Report Share Posted January 3 Has loads of potential and hasn’t fulfilled it. Matt and Btay 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milesey05 Posted May 14 Report Share Posted May 14 Seriously!! Can he be considered to wear the shirt again? can’t think of positive from him today! maybe when sitting on the bench. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wall Writer Posted May 14 Report Share Posted May 14 Saw him when he went off. Sat down on the bench and hid his head in his shirt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted May 14 Report Share Posted May 14 9 minutes ago, Wall Writer said: Saw him when he went off. Sat down on the bench and hid his head in his shirt. He didn’t even get up and challenge haarland. Pityful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted May 14 Report Share Posted May 14 He’s not a RB and definitely not a LB, if he was our only real option that says more about about our recruitment under DofF and other managers than it does him, in hindsight maybe a back 5 would have been a better option, but can’t really blame Holgate for playing awful in a position he shouldn’t be playing in. Yet he wouldn’t make our it in our central defence so is there any real point in keeping him here, he just isn’t good enough for this level. Newty82, Romey 1878 and Goodison Glory 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted May 14 Report Share Posted May 14 A bit like a lot of our full backs, ok for large parts but lets you down in enough moments. He isn't at this level, never has been and the fact he has had so much game time over the seasons highlights why we are where we are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted May 14 Report Share Posted May 14 He needs to be somewhere playing every week now. That somewhere isn’t Everton. A lower premier league club with a strong manager and he could be a decent centre half. I think he would be excellent in the championship. Im pretty certain Branthwaite is already better than him, and Godfrey and probably Keane too. Romey 1878, Palfy and Matt 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted May 14 Report Share Posted May 14 9 minutes ago, StevO said: He needs to be somewhere playing every week now. That somewhere isn’t Everton. A lower premier league club with a strong manager and he could be a decent centre half. I think he would be excellent in the championship. Im pretty certain Branthwaite is already better than him, and Godfrey and probably Keane too. isn't that us currently? RuffRob, Newty82, StevO and 1 other 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunlopp9987 Posted May 14 Report Share Posted May 14 1 minute ago, Matt said: isn't that us currently? That was exactly my thought Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted May 14 Report Share Posted May 14 1 hour ago, StevO said: He needs to be somewhere playing every week now. That somewhere isn’t Everton. A lower premier league club with a strong manager and he could be a decent centre half. I think he would be excellent in the championship. Im pretty certain Branthwaite is already better than him, and Godfrey and probably Keane too. Erm, I mean, hmmmm, yeah, he can take his pick from any of the teams lower than his current one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted May 14 Report Share Posted May 14 Awful today and had a role in all three goals we conceded, but I'm not on board with booing our own players whatsoever. It's not like he does it on purpose ffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted May 14 Report Share Posted May 14 1 hour ago, Matt said: isn't that us currently? Yeah, but I think we have better defenders than him already. I’d play Tarkowski, Keane, Mina and Godfrey all before him, and Branthwaite if he was here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted May 14 Report Share Posted May 14 26 minutes ago, Newty82 said: Erm, I mean, hmmmm, yeah, he can take his pick from any of the teams lower than his current one I think he would have a chance at a lot of the teams around us. Not because he’s good, but because they are all so shite at the back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted May 14 Report Share Posted May 14 18 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said: Awful today and had a role in all three goals we conceded, but I'm not on board with booing our own players whatsoever. It's not like he does it on purpose ffs. Did he get booed when going off? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted May 14 Report Share Posted May 14 1 minute ago, StevO said: Yeah, but I think we have better defenders than him already. I’d play Tarkowski, Keane, Mina and Godfrey all before him, and Branthwaite if he was here. This is exactly why I'm never bothered with Holgate. He can do a job as back up and with Mina leaving, he's a cheap and reasonably reliable squaddie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted May 14 Report Share Posted May 14 Just now, Matt said: This is exactly why I'm never bothered with Holgate. He can do a job as back up and with Mina leaving, he's a cheap and reasonably reliable squaddie. I just don’t think we need him. If we started next season with Tarkowski and Branthwaite playing (hopefully) and Keane and Godfrey as back up I’d be happy. I’d still take Coady for the prices quoted a few months back if we can get some money in for Holgate and release Mina. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted May 14 Report Share Posted May 14 6 minutes ago, StevO said: Did he get booed when going off? Yes, heavily. StevO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted May 14 Report Share Posted May 14 He’s awful. Sorry. Time to get rid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted May 14 Report Share Posted May 14 As far as a back-up goes, you can't rely on him to come in and play ok in any position. He isn't professional enough. He is the worst of our centre halves and he is crap at full back. We just need better. MikeO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wall Writer Posted May 14 Report Share Posted May 14 I get the feeling after his reaction going off that he knows his time is up. He hasn't performed when given the chance, and it's not the first time. I've never really liked his attitude, comes off very arrogant, but doesn't really have the skillset to match it. Having said that, I don't wish him any ill. He's just not good enough to get in team. And considering the level we are at, that says a lot. MikeO, Wiggytop, Romey 1878 and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodison Glory Posted May 14 Report Share Posted May 14 I agree with others in saying that he's constantly been played out of position. He's a back up CB at best but berating him for mistakes at RB and LB is on Dyche as well as the player. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoo 2.0 Posted May 14 Report Share Posted May 14 He's a Championship player, when he first signed I believed there was a lot of potential but he's just never reached the level that we (or anyone else in the league) needs. His attitude, whether on purpose or not comes off really poorly. It's one thing having arrogance with a bucket load of talent but it's another to simply be filled with self importance. He didn't look particularly arsed about coming off either and whilst I thought the boos were a bit over the top, I'd be happy knowing that today was the last I'll see of him in an Everton shirt. Matt and Btay 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodison Glory Posted May 14 Report Share Posted May 14 7 hours ago, StevO said: He needs to be somewhere playing every week now. That somewhere isn’t Everton. A lower premier league club with a strong manager and he could be a decent centre half. I think he would be excellent in the championship. Im pretty certain Branthwaite is already better than him, and Godfrey and probably Keane too. Branthwaite has had a very good loan spell but let's not forget it's a weaker league. I'd like to see him perform in the prem. in his limited run outs, he had the odd cluster fuck in the prem like most of our defenders. Hopefully the consistent game time will have moved him up a level. StevO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggytop Posted May 15 Report Share Posted May 15 He’s an accident waiting to happen, over confident in his ability and arrogant. He’s playing in a league above his level, I just hope that he’s not playing for us wherever we end up next season. As for the booing, I don’t like to hear it, but many feel his mistake were key in loosing the game yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haiku Posted May 15 Report Share Posted May 15 He's never a left back. Dyche simply chose the fastest legs out of all available defenders. Feel bad for him. London Blue, Matt, StevO and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted May 15 Report Share Posted May 15 Another that I don’t think is anywhere near as bad as made out. And when people rate you like that, they look and judge you on every mistake you make. Don't think he is good enough for us, but think he will have a decent career at this level. StevO and Matt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted May 15 Report Share Posted May 15 1 hour ago, Shukes said: Another that I don’t think is anywhere near as bad as made out. And when people rate you like that, they look and judge you on every mistake you make. Don't think he is good enough for us, but think he will have a decent career at this level. I mostly agree, assuming he can sort his head out. His mental side of the game holds him back massively and probably why he hasn't had a decent career at this level, probably won't. Physically he should. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted May 15 Report Share Posted May 15 21 hours ago, Zoo 2.0 said: He's a Championship player, when he first signed I believed there was a lot of potential but he's just never reached the level that we (or anyone else in the league) needs. His attitude, whether on purpose or not comes off really poorly. It's one thing having arrogance with a bucket load of talent but it's another to simply be filled with self importance. He didn't look particularly arsed about coming off either and whilst I thought the boos were a bit over the top, I'd be happy knowing that today was the last I'll see of him in an Everton shirt. They cut to him on the Tv and he had his shirt over his head - it looked like he knew it was last game for us to be honest mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted May 15 Report Share Posted May 15 5 hours ago, Shukes said: Another that I don’t think is anywhere near as bad as made out. And when people rate you like that, they look and judge you on every mistake you make. Don't think he is good enough for us, but think he will have a decent career at this level. He was playing well as CB at the start of the season to be fair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted May 16 Report Share Posted May 16 22 hours ago, Btay said: They cut to him on the Tv and he had his shirt over his head - it looked like he knew it was last game for us to be honest mate I thought he looked quite upset on the bench. Felt sorry for him. He isn’t a full back, he has tried to do a job for the team (like he has in midfield on a couple of occasions) but he didn’t have a bad game on purpose. One thing I know for certain, booing him on the way off will not make him a better player but will only make him feel worse after he already feels bad about playing poorly (against one of the best teams we’ve ever seen). Matt and Romey 1878 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPG Posted May 17 Report Share Posted May 17 I wonder what sort of mental state Holgate is in now. We may need him again v Wolves. If Mykolenko is still injured then we have no real options for left back as Vinagre is also injured, as is Godfrey and Coady is ineligible as Wolves is his parent club. So, as the best of a series of bad options, how about Holgate on the right of a back three with Mina and Tarkowski? Pickford Holgate Mina Tarkowski Gueye Patterson Iwobi Doucoure Garner McNeil DCL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodison Glory Posted May 17 Report Share Posted May 17 They'll likely have Nunes on the RW. Another trickster...holgate will be mentally shot...doesn't seem the type to say "f*** it. I'll show you lot". mind you Mina vs. Diego Costa should be shit housery of the highest order!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted May 17 Report Share Posted May 17 7 hours ago, RPG said: I wonder what sort of mental state Holgate is in now. We may need him again v Wolves. If Mykolenko is still injured then we have no real options for left back as Vinagre is also injured, as is Godfrey and Coady is ineligible as Wolves is his parent club. So, as the best of a series of bad options, how about Holgate on the right of a back three with Mina and Tarkowski? Pickford Holgate Mina Tarkowski Gueye Patterson Iwobi Doucoure Garner McNeil DCL Considering we went to 3 at the back when Coady came on against City, this may actually be the way we go. Ergh! Please be fit, Myko. 6 hours ago, Goodison Glory said: They'll likely have Nunes on the RW. Another trickster...holgate will be mentally shot...doesn't seem the type to say "f*** it. I'll show you lot". mind you Mina vs. Diego Costa should be shit housery of the highest order!! Has Costa actually been starting for them now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodison Glory Posted May 17 Report Share Posted May 17 1 hour ago, Romey 1878 said: Considering we went to 3 at the back when Coady came on against City, this may actually be the way we go. Ergh! Please be fit, Myko. Has Costa actually been starting for them now? Started last 2 games at least. Romey 1878 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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