Sibdane Posted February 13, 2017 Report Share Posted February 13, 2017 He deserves his place no doubt. And even I have warmed to him recently. I feel more confident with him in goal than steks. I'm not blaming him for any of the goals conceded. I just haven't saw him have one of those matches yet. Most of the votes for MoM have been due to the rest of the team being so bad rather than him so good. Saturday is typical of this. They had three shots on target, One header straight at him. One blocked. And an excellent stop to earn us a point. His kicking was woeful, but I blame the team for sitting so deep for that. He also had a few nerdy punches out to the edge of our area. Yet he gets MoM! Was there anyone that deserves it more? No, we were awful second half. He is proving that he is a solid keeper, I'm just not sure he is a top six keeper. He's at least a top 7 keeper though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted February 13, 2017 Report Share Posted February 13, 2017 In fairness to Joel if you go through the PL teams who are definitely better keepers? Courtois Lloris Vorm? De Gea Cech Hart That's about it. People seem to rave about Forster but he makes plenty of mistakes and he is glued to his line. Butland and Begovic maybe but both haven't been seen for a while. Adrian was last year, but terrible this. Pickford maybe in time. The rest are much the same. Good moments and the odd howler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcirony Posted February 14, 2017 Report Share Posted February 14, 2017 (edited) Think we'd struggle to get better than Joel for less than big bucks. It's always going to be a risk with new keepers - look at Karius at the shite, or even Stek, started well but fell apart. We don't want a confidence keeper, we want a consistent keeper. Consistent keepers will make mistakes from time to time but will also have the respect of their teammates and understand what's at stake. I actually believe that Joel is about as close as we will get to that for the time being with where we are at. Edited February 14, 2017 by MatthewT Sibdane 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted February 25, 2017 Report Share Posted February 25, 2017 Not much to do, but yet another clean sheet How many does he need to convince people Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted February 25, 2017 Report Share Posted February 25, 2017 Matt, I. Could get a clean sheet if there wasn't a shot on target.... surely even his biggest fans can see that. Put Messi in goals... no shots on target = clean sheet! markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted February 25, 2017 Report Share Posted February 25, 2017 Matt, I. Could get a clean sheet if there wasn't a shot on target.... surely even his biggest fans can see that. Put Messi in goals... no shots on target = clean sheet! agreed, matt a little naïve to act like today was solid for joel. he didn't have to do anything. howard, stek, stanek, Griffiths, they'd all have a clean sheet too. he needs to have the matches where he sets himself apart from that lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted February 25, 2017 Report Share Posted February 25, 2017 Matt, I. Could get a clean sheet if there wasn't a shot on target.... surely even his biggest fans can see that. Put Messi in goals... no shots on target = clean sheet! If Messi was in goal then shots on target would be flying in from all angles; the opposition wouldn't feel the need to try to engineer openings, they'd just have a shot whenever they had a sight of goal if they knew the 'keeper wasn't capable of the job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted February 26, 2017 Report Share Posted February 26, 2017 Maybe Joel is making the defenders confident to play their game without worrying about him. It's s team game and the clean sheet is as much his as theirs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted February 26, 2017 Report Share Posted February 26, 2017 Maybe Joel is making the defenders confident to play their game without worrying about him. It's s team game and the clean sheet is as much his as theirs. bingo. Stopping shots isn't the sole role of a keeper, he has to inspire confidence and organise his defence It's naive to not recognise that, Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted February 26, 2017 Report Share Posted February 26, 2017 He caught some crosses and commanded his area well. He never had any shots to save but he still looked a solid confident keeper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted February 26, 2017 Report Share Posted February 26, 2017 The more the rest of the team get him a clean sheet the more confident he will be when facing shots. Even though he already has one of the highest shot stopping rates in the league, he might do even better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted February 26, 2017 Report Share Posted February 26, 2017 So basically, we need the defence to have a shocker, Joel to be bombarded with shots? He's bound to concede one if that's the case, and then rather than Joel get credit for the five or six he does save to help the defence out he'll get slaughtered for the one he does concede while no one looks at the defence. Personally, I'd rather just give both the defence and goalkeeper credit for our run of solidity! aaron and Bailey 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted February 26, 2017 Report Share Posted February 26, 2017 I agree...a GK that instills confidence into his defenders allows the defenders to fully concentrate on their own jobs without feeling nervous of what's behind them. That's the aim of a proper team in all positions I suppose. My earlier worry about him was that I wondered if he loses focus after having a few games on the run. That seemed to be what happened in his earlier runs, he would could in, impress, then get sloppy. He's doing a good enough job now though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted February 26, 2017 Report Share Posted February 26, 2017 He just needs to keep performing thats all. But if you think I am going to change from not rating him, to singing him up like he is some messiah because he kept a clean sheet in a game where he didn't face a shot..... Matts point was, how many more does he need to convince people. My answer was simple..... more. We're talking him up like he is he answer to all our goalkeeping dreams. I just don't agree. But again ... yet again.... he is performing to a good standard and proving me wrong. But funnily enough... I am glad. But just like other players in our team. And I agree with most of he above posts. It's a team game and the whole defence and midfield deserve just as much credit as the goals. I don't think it's down to any particular individual being spectacular, but rather they are all performing to a good standard...not great, but good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted February 26, 2017 Report Share Posted February 26, 2017 So basically, we need the defence to have a shocker, Joel to be bombarded with shots? He's bound to concede one if that's the case, and then rather than Joel get credit for the five or six he does save to help the defence out he'll get slaughtered for the one he does concede while no one looks at the defence. Personally, I'd rather just give both the defence and goalkeeper credit for our run of solidity! Agree mate... what idiot suggested that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted February 26, 2017 Report Share Posted February 26, 2017 Agree mate... what idiot suggested that? Well, apparently he's only a good goalkeeper if he's making loads of saves. The other things a good goalkeeper needs to do like command his area, and save shots when he's not had much to do in a game (like the one against Stoke that saved our bacon), don't really make a difference. He needs to be facing loads of shots. He doesn't, he just needs to do what's asked of him. If he's only asked to come for crosses during a game and he does that then that's what he needs to do. There were times when he'd fuck up things like that. He's growing with game time and experience all the time. At the same time I'm not bothered if Koeman judges him not good enough, and goes after someone else in the summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted February 26, 2017 Report Share Posted February 26, 2017 I don't think he's being talked up like a messiah. He's just being given the credit that he's due. He started the reason as rank outsider, he's worked his way to No1. Good for him. Romey 1878 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted February 26, 2017 Report Share Posted February 26, 2017 Well, apparently he's only a good goalkeeper if he's making loads of saves. The other things a good goalkeeper needs to do like command his area, and save shots when he's not had much to do in a game (like the one against Stoke that saved our bacon), don't really make a difference. He needs to be facing loads of shots. He doesn't, he just needs to do what's asked of him. If he's only asked to come for crosses during a game and he does that then that's what he needs to do. There were times when he'd fuck up things like that. He's growing with game time and experience all the time. At the same time I'm not bothered if Koeman judges him not good enough, and goes after someone else in the summer. Well whoever suggested that is wrong, if I was you I would call them out for that one. That's ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted February 26, 2017 Report Share Posted February 26, 2017 I don't think he's being talked up like a messiah. He's just being given the credit that he's due. He started the reason as rank outsider, he's worked his way to No1. Good for him. Agree. He has even changed my mind and again that a goalkeeper isn't such the priority now. I still don't think he is good enough to take us to the next level, but he is a solid No1 for us and deserves his place. Credit to him for sticking at it and proving some of us wrong, me included. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted February 26, 2017 Report Share Posted February 26, 2017 Dodgy keepers make defenders edgy. Defence looks far more stable. Joel is playing well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted February 26, 2017 Report Share Posted February 26, 2017 Already convinced me. Since he joined Everton the longer the run he's had in the team the more and more he's improved. I say give him next season and go from there. As long as he doesn't start acting like a baboon with no hands then he deserves the number 1 shirt for next season at least. nutmegwolf203 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted February 26, 2017 Report Share Posted February 26, 2017 He's done very well. For me though.... The Mori & Williams partnership has helped a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nutmegwolf203 Posted February 27, 2017 Report Share Posted February 27, 2017 Agree. He has even changed my mind and again that a goalkeeper isn't such the priority now. I still don't think he is good enough to take us to the next level, but he is a solid No1 for us and deserves his place. Credit to him for sticking at it and proving some of us wrong, me included. I don't disagree with you, but I'm curious of people's opinions. What are his deficiencies or what could he improve on? Joel is playing really well, loves the club and seems well liked. What is he lacking? While I know there are positions all along the pitch that will be strengthened, there's also a high level of positivity around the team/club that seems too good to disrupt. For example, I see the depth we have at CM to be up with the best in the league. It's perfect how it is; it just depends on if rotation and minutes, as opposed to full matches is enough to satisfy those who are often on the fringe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted February 27, 2017 Report Share Posted February 27, 2017 The match against Spurs will be a real test for Joel (and our defence as a whole). We may well see just how good, or otherwise, Joel can be. nutmegwolf203 and Matt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaron Posted February 27, 2017 Report Share Posted February 27, 2017 our next run of games will be his test, he's done well against "the weaker" teams, 5 out of 7 clean sheets, including one against city. Remember the days when he wouldn't save with his hands? He's come a long way since then. I used to distrust him, didn't want him starting, he's convinced me otherwise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted February 28, 2017 Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 Had we loaned Joel to a Sunderland or team like that in the summer I think we would have seen the same reviews of him as Pickford. I'm more confident in Joel than I am in Mori ( although I think Mori has everything to be a very solid CB ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rusty747 Posted February 28, 2017 Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 (edited) If Joel helps us keep a clean sheet v Spurs then he will have me convinced. Anyone remember Southall's save from the point blank range bullet header when we won 1-2 at The Lane in April 1985? That's what wins you titles - or, in our case, gets us into Europe. Edited February 28, 2017 by rusty747 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted March 5, 2017 Report Share Posted March 5, 2017 http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-joel-robles-tottenham-stekelenburg-12693267 I think he's been a class act during his time here. Lesser people would've thought "fuck this" many times and left. I hope his determination pays off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted March 5, 2017 Report Share Posted March 5, 2017 Completely agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted March 5, 2017 Report Share Posted March 5, 2017 Today proved he's not a number 1 for me. Backup or lower table starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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